Players we should go after not named Brand

darobster17 · Post #1 » by **darobster17** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 5:48 pm

So if Brand does stay with the Clippers, the W's need to get a proven players at PG/SG and frontcourt post player.

Here's a list of players that we could possibly go after.
At PG: TJ Ford,Jose M Calderon,Barbosa,Juan Dixon,Delonte West,Marcus Williams
At SG:Redd,Iguodala,Ben Gordon

At SF:Ryan Gomes,James Jones,Josh Smith
At PF: Josh Smith,Villanueva,Gooden,Wilcox

Of the players I listed I'd like to see the W's go after Redd and Josh Smith. We definitely need a big combo guard that can shoot, make plays and defend.

The_Believer · Post #2 » by **The_Believer** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:15 pm

I'd go after Iggy, Smith, and Redd in that order. Iggy is a great two-way versatile player, Smith can rebound and block, and Redd's shooting would obviously fit in well with us.
Don't forget Arenas too. It's redundant to have two combo guards, but Arenas could play the point for us for awhile, and plus dude's an elite scorer.

killbuckner · Post #3 » by **killbuckner** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:16 pm

I'd throw a ton of cash at Calderon since he only has a verbal agreement at this point. After that Josh Smith.

Warriorfan · Post #4 » by **Warriorfan** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:18 pm

PG Shaun Livinston 2 year contract, Brent Barry,
PF/C Rasheed, or Camby

I believe next years class is better with veterans on the market over non all star young players like Josh Smith.

BayWarrior · Post #5 » by **BayWarrior** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:23 pm

I think the W's should approach FA like the draft, The only two that interest me are Iggy and Josh Smith but let's not get into panic mode and waste this newly found CAP space just because its there. Let this CAP space marinate for a bit and see if there are any disgruntled superstars that might pop up this summer.

Head Leader · Post #6 » by **Head Leader** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:44 pm

lol @ josh smith.

no way jose. not for 13 mill per.

he cant shoot.
he cant pass.
he cant dribble
hes not a real pf.
he cant defend on the ball.

his best asset is his athletiscm and weakside shot blocking.

great athlete.. i wish the 49ers would sign him he could play WR.

GswStorm3 · Post #7 » by **GswStorm3** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:52 pm

gsw510 wrote:lol @ josh smith.

no way jose. not for 13 mill per.

he cant shoot.
he cant pass.
he cant dribble
hes not a real pf.
he cant defend on the ball.

his best asset is his athletiscm and weakside shot blocking.

great athlete.. i wish the 49ers would sign him he could play WR.

Josh Smith's way overrated.

Regarding Michael Redd you guys can't be serious. Yes he can shoot but that's all he does, he's not even close to being worth Max dollars.

yinka dare · Post #8 » by **yinka dare** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 7:48 pm

david lee, charlie v, and ben gordon in that order, but the only player i want the w's to add is lee

WarFan · Post #9 » by **WarFan** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 8:12 pm

I'd be trying to fill in the following depth chart with young talent by June of 2010:

Ellis/______
______/Belinelli
Randolph/Azubuike
Wright/Hendrix
Biedrins/______

For the back-up PG, I want someone with decent size who could potentially play with Monta for 10-20 minutes a game as well as back him up.
Candidates: Crittenton, Law, Sergio Rodriguez, Marcus Williams

For the starting SG, he needs to be able to handle the ball well, hit spot-up 3's and defend well. I'm having a hard time thinking of many guys that would fill this role well who are potentially available.
Candidates: Eric Gordon, ?

For the back-up C, I want a big body who is or could become a good man defender and at least an average rebounder. Some kind of post-up game would be a nice bonus, but not necessary IMO.
Candidates: DeAndre Jordan, Sene, Petro, POB

Of course I'd be trying to get extra draft picks as well and some of these spots could be filled in next year's draft. In 2010, you sign a big free agent who fits and you're good to go.

GswStorm3 · Post #10 » by **GswStorm3** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 8:26 pm

I watched a little of Marcus Williams after the Nets acquired Devin Harris and he was a turnover wreck with no jump shot. I came to conclusion his work ethnic sucks which is why I understand how he slipped on draft day.

DLeagueAllStars · Post #11 » by **DLeagueAllStars** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 8:34 pm

everyone does realize here that after we resign Monta and Andris we will have no cap space next season.. So if the Warriors dont take a chance on signing a player this season, I believe we have no chance at being under the cap again until 2010..

Even if we do decide to wait til 2010.. all the players that are young and under rookie contracts you are talking about, or that would come on with cheap deals, would still eat into that cap space.. so we might not have the space to offer a max type deal to a player even in 2010..

I say use it this year, before the trade deadline... and make some good use of it... either for a older player on a team whose over the lux line and is on a 1 or 2 year deal.. or a young stud who can grow with the club

Shishnizzle · Post #12 » by **Shishnizzle** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 8:34 pm

Josh Smith is not over rated. That guy can ball. We see him in the east all the time. He can play. I'm surprised you not talking about Magette. The Clips will have to renounce him to sign Baron.

Sid the Squid · Post #13 » by **Sid the Squid** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:10 pm

I'm a big Josh Smith fan..That dude plays hard every single night...If he had normal sized hands, I'd offer him the max..But they're small for a NBA PF..So I'll go 12.5 million a year.

WarFan · Post #14 » by **WarFan** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:14 pm

mc5097 wrote:everyone does realize here that after we resign Monta and Andris we will have no cap space next season.. So if the Warriors dont take a chance on signing a player this season, I believe we have no chance at being under the cap again until 2010..

Even if we do decide to wait til 2010.. all the players that are young and under rookie contracts you are talking about, or that would come on with cheap deals, would still eat into that cap space.. so we might not have the space to offer a max type deal to a player even in 2010..

If Mullin wants to get under the cap next off-season enough to offer someone the max, he probably only needs to move Al for expirings or just let Al opt-out (I say probably because who knows what the exact numbers will be). As for 2010, he could get pretty close to being able to offer two max contracts without much work. All of this assumes that they resign Ellis and Biedrins for deals in the 9-12 million a year range, Bukie for about 3 a year, and add about 5 million a year in picks. Basically, Mullin can target whatever summer he wants right now. He's also free to structure the extensions however he wants.

Head Leader · Post #15 » by **Head Leader** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:18 pm

squid your crazy max? for a glorified SF?. playing him at pf?

id give him 10.5 per year and put him at SF.. and pray to god he learns to shoot and pass. no way am i playing him at PF..and paying him 13.5 per. no way.

Sid the Squid · Post #16 » by **Sid the Squid** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:21 pm

You didnt read my post..I said Max him if he had normal sized hands

Josh is one of my favorite players in the league to watch..I watched a ton of hawks games this year..He's a versatile freak.

Bernier · Post #17 » by **Bernier** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:22 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:I'm a big Josh Smith fan..That dude plays hard every single night...If he had normal sized hands, I'd offer him the max..But they're small for a NBA PF..So I'll go 12.5 million a year.

I second this. Go after Smith hard, front-load the deal, make the Hawks miss. Any after that try to lure Maggette.

No no no no no no no to Redd. Ugh. I'd much rather sign James Jones to a cheap 2-yr deal.

Iggy would be my second choice of free agents but I like Smith a TON more.

I'd love to find a way to grab David Lee (by trading Al to NY?) and looking at cheap options for the backcourt since I'm relatively happy with Buike and Bellinelli and giving them a chance to grow. There are guys out there like CJ Watson, Dowdell, Sessions, etc. that just need a bit of a chance to show that they're very capable backups and won't cost much at all (sorta like Buike two years ago).

I just salivate over a Jackson/Smith/Wright/Biedrins/Randolph/Lee front line rotation.

Bernier · Post #18 » by **Bernier** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:29 pm

gsw510 wrote:squid your crazy max? for a glorified SF?. playing him at pf?

id give him 10.5 per year and put him at SF.. and pray to god he learns to shoot and pass. no way am i playing him at PF..and paying him 13.5 per. no way.

He's MUCH better playing at PF and would kill it there in Nellie's system (except for guarding the Boozers of the world but there aren't very many of those anyway). He's not quite max but near max for sure. He actually can pass and shoot decently from out to 18 feet. He's a bit like Monta in that regard and should just focus on beating guys off the dribble, posting up (obviously not like Monta in this regard), shooting pull ups, or finishing on the break (his greatest strength besides the weak-side shot block). He gets after boards, steals, and is an adequate passer but turns it over a bit much. He's only 22.

GswStorm3 · Post #19 » by **GswStorm3** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:30 pm

I'm not letting Josh Smith's entertaining blocks and dunks fool me, he doesn't fill a huge need here.

J3x · Post #20 » by **J3x** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:40 pm

Night Angel 1 wrote:I'm not letting Josh Smith's entertaining blocks and dunks fool me, he doesn't fill a huge need here.

agreed. we have enough left handed forwards. we need to sign either james jones for depth or iggy to be paired in the back court and even then im on the fence with iggy.

no to redd
no to maggette
no to jsmoove