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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#41 » by Apres Moi » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:05 pm

BaySportsFan wrote:This is the business of professional sports and if you're not in it to win it all, then you're in the wrong business. Its been clear, for the past 14 years, that Chris Cohan can care less about winning. Sure they made the playoffs just 3 years ago and they followed it up by a 47 win season in which they missed the playoffs. In the end, that all doesn't matter because in 10 years, no one is going to remember who was in the 8th seed of the playoffs, but they'll remember who the champion was.

Nellie's style of coaching, as entertaining as it is, produces only limited success. In 23 years, Nellie hasn't even made an appearance to the Finals. What does that tell you? He has even admitted to the game passing him by. This is no longer a league where you can have your small forward playing center and expect to win many games. Its a era of basketball that consists of agile, athletic 7 footers. Ever so often, a player comes that sets a new standard. Lebron James, even though he plays SG and SF, is a point guard, yet the Warriors are still stuck on the idea that a 6'3 shooting guard can bring them to the promise land. Defense not only wins championships, but they can also win you a few games. The Warriors were second in the league in scoring with 108 points per game, but they were next to last in points allowed with 112 points per game. Does this team really need more scoring or defense and rebounding? A Curry and Ellis future back court? That would be one of, if not, the worse defensive back courts in the league. You couldn't name 2 that are worse.

My prediction for next season? 33-49.


looks like a super mediocre sports journalist in the making. long winded, informed about as much as an average sportcenter fan, and full of half-assed comparisons.

and yeah, this team has a lot of question marks going into this season.

but if Biedrins stays here, and plays like he did at the start of last season (not necessarily numbers-wise, but effort and effectiveness-wise) and Randolph develops like most think he will, then this team will be totally different from last years. Both can block shots, both can play straight man defense, both can play good help defense, both can board. Aside from Ronny, I'd love to have one more big body to throw in there occasionally. Doesn't have to be the most skilled player. Would prefer somebody with a little polish and previous NBA experience.

curry and monte would be a tiny back court. but both would be effective at breaking up passing lanes, and either can defend most PGs. And it's not likely that Curry will be in the starting line up right away. That leaves Stephen Jackson, Magette, Morrow, Azu, and Bellinelli, who all have the size, generally speaking, to defend the SF and SG positions.

of course there are going to be holes. but you gotta wait to see, sometimes, how well a squad is going to work out.

here's a half-assed comparison for you. almost EVERYBODY thought the giants were going to be **** this year, and right now they hold the wild-card spot. fewest runs allowed in MLB. beating good teams on the reg. they gelled and turned out better on the field than they were on paper.

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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#42 » by KR4 » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:07 pm

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KR4 wrote:I dunno, I think that Randolph doesn't have the inner drive to really 'perform' on the defensive end. To lackadaisical. I wish he'd bring more intensity. Most NBA sources say that Randolph doesn't really have what it takes to make it on the NBA level.



Are you serious? Have you watched Randolph? He is one of the most intense guys on the court. He puts everything he has on both ends of the court. He is only 20 years old and is still growing. He is going to be very good on both ends of the court and will be able to guard any PF out there. ( maybe not howard). The inner drive? really? So spending everyday in the gym working on his game with Morrow, gaining 20 lbs of muscle, and trying to improve his jump shot daily is not considered inner drive. He loves the game of basketball and wants to be the best. I wish everyone on the W's had the heart and inner drive of Randolph



Phat, my post was so bassackwards, how could you think I was serious? But that was a good rebuttal nonetheless.

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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#43 » by KR4 » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:08 pm

PS: Morrow needs to improve his outside jumper to have any chance of making it in the NBA.
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#44 » by Apres Moi » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:08 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:I dont think anybody on this board thinks Anthony Randolph has much upside..

Warriors could win 34 though


+1. he's like a slightly heavier jonothan bender, at best.
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#45 » by turk3d » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:10 pm

Chris Cohan wrote:If Don Nelson is a mistake and you want to blame Mullin for that, too...

holy crap are we screwed.

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Best joke of the day. Let's just blame it all on Mullin. I love it!
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#46 » by KR4 » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:11 pm

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Sid the Squid wrote:I dont think anybody on this board thinks Anthony Randolph has much upside..

Warriors could win 34 though


+1. he's like a slightly heavier jonothan bender, at best.


Meh, he's just a taller, less coordinated Darius Miles
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#47 » by turk3d » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:13 pm

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yosoyphat wrote:
KR4 wrote:I dunno, I think that Randolph doesn't have the inner drive to really 'perform' on the defensive end. To lackadaisical. I wish he'd bring more intensity. Most NBA sources say that Randolph doesn't really have what it takes to make it on the NBA level.



Are you serious? Have you watched Randolph? He is one of the most intense guys on the court. He puts everything he has on both ends of the court. He is only 20 years old and is still growing. He is going to be very good on both ends of the court and will be able to guard any PF out there. ( maybe not howard). The inner drive? really? So spending everyday in the gym working on his game with Morrow, gaining 20 lbs of muscle, and trying to improve his jump shot daily is not considered inner drive. He loves the game of basketball and wants to be the best. I wish everyone on the W's had the heart and inner drive of Randolph



Phat, my post was so bassackwards, how could you think I was serious? But that was a good rebuttal nonetheless.

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You're right KR4. Just another reason why we need Amare so bad. He's not like that. lol
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#48 » by Subaculta » Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:16 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:We look to be in better shape now than in any of the past 5 years... all of you mopers should stick to circlejerking it while watching the BoomFizzle era...

AR's growth, Amar'e, Curry dropping to us, and the Crawford trade and its only July 1st... what the :censored: do you guys want? Wade to demand a trade to GS?



I think most everything is fine... except of course for the fact that this team is still owned by a douche, and he's put the day to day operations in the hands of a fist-bumping douche.

as far as the talent goes

Ellis, AR, AB, Morrow, Belli, Wright and Curry - everything is fine.
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#49 » by JMac1 » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:45 am

Any team that prefers Steph Curry over Amare Stoudemire deserves to miss the playoffs 13 out of 14 years!!!! WOW!!
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Post#50 » by The Hack » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:47 am

JMac1 wrote:Any team that prefers Steph Curry over Amare Stoudemire deserves to miss the playoffs 13 out of 14 years!!!! WOW!!


It's not just Curry...It's Biedrins/Wright/Belinelli(Azu) and Curry. Way too much for Amare
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#51 » by Subaculta » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:48 am

JMac1 wrote:Any team that prefers Steph Curry over Amare Stoudemire deserves to miss the playoffs 13 out of 14 years!!!! WOW!!



is the deal Curry for Amare? then yes you're right.

oh wait, it includes our 23 year old double-double center, a young PF who at worst is a really nice back up in this league, a young SG with some tools... and the number 7 pick of this past draft.
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#52 » by Khoee » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:49 am

yes...for those with short memories, this was the package that Mullin / McHale agreed to for KG:

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Post#53 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:52 am

lol you and that Al Thornton rumor..You drive me nuts with that lol
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#54 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:53 am

Subaculta wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Any team that prefers Steph Curry over Amare Stoudemire deserves to miss the playoffs 13 out of 14 years!!!! WOW!!



is the deal Curry for Amare? then yes you're right.

oh wait, it includes our 23 year old double-double center, a young PF who at worst is a really nice back up in this league, a young SG with some tools... and the number 7 pick of this past draft.
add in a max contract delivered with major injury questions..
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#55 » by Subaculta » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:55 am

Sid the Squid wrote:
Subaculta wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Any team that prefers Steph Curry over Amare Stoudemire deserves to miss the playoffs 13 out of 14 years!!!! WOW!!



is the deal Curry for Amare? then yes you're right.

oh wait, it includes our 23 year old double-double center, a young PF who at worst is a really nice back up in this league, a young SG with some tools... and the number 7 pick of this past draft.
add in a max contract delivered with major injury questions..



doh! yes the proverbial cherry on top.
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#56 » by floppymoose » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:59 am

JMac1 wrote:Any team that prefers Steph Curry over Amare Stoudemire deserves to miss the playoffs 13 out of 14 years!!!! WOW!!

You miss the playoffs just once and you get this bitter? Good thing you aren't a GS fan... you'd look like this by now:

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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#57 » by Rainbow Jumper » Thu Jul 2, 2009 1:10 am

BaySportsFan wrote:This is the business of professional sports and if you're not in it to win it all, then you're in the wrong business. Its been clear, for the past 14 years, that Chris Cohan can care less about winning. Sure they made the playoffs just 3 years ago and they followed it up by a 47 win season in which they missed the playoffs. In the end, that all doesn't matter because in 10 years, no one is going to remember who was in the 8th seed of the playoffs, but they'll remember who the champion was.

Nellie's style of coaching, as entertaining as it is, produces only limited success. In 23 years, Nellie hasn't even made an appearance to the Finals. What does that tell you? He has even admitted to the game passing him by. This is no longer a league where you can have your small forward playing center and expect to win many games. Its a era of basketball that consists of agile, athletic 7 footers. Ever so often, a player comes that sets a new standard. Lebron James, even though he plays SG and SF, is a point guard, yet the Warriors are still stuck on the idea that a 6'3 shooting guard can bring them to the promise land. Defense not only wins championships, but they can also win you a few games. The Warriors were second in the league in scoring with 108 points per game, but they were next to last in points allowed with 112 points per game. Does this team really need more scoring or defense and rebounding? A Curry and Ellis future back court? That would be one of, if not, the worse defensive back courts in the league. You couldn't name 2 that are worse.

My prediction for next season? 33-49.



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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#58 » by FNQ » Thu Jul 2, 2009 1:39 am

Subaculta wrote:
FireNellieQuick wrote:We look to be in better shape now than in any of the past 5 years... all of you mopers should stick to circlejerking it while watching the BoomFizzle era...

AR's growth, Amar'e, Curry dropping to us, and the Crawford trade and its only July 1st... what the :censored: do you guys want? Wade to demand a trade to GS?



I think most everything is fine... except of course for the fact that this team is still owned by a douche, and he's put the day to day operations in the hands of a fist-bumping douche.

as far as the talent goes

Ellis, AR, AB, Morrow, Belli, Wright and Curry - everything is fine.



Owner, fine... he sucks.

But Rowell? I'm 100% OK with him being on board. Yes the Maggette signing sucked, and yes it was a panic move, but each of the 3 (Nellie/Rowell/Mullin) had their hands in it. Mullin was busy trying to sign an even worse contract w/Baron, and Rowell nixed it w/o a backup plan, which allowed Nellie to experiment with a strong 3 he thought he could use as the 4. I still blame Mully for the Maggette signing, as he was still our GM and still making the moves. If we're really giving Rowell all the flack for the Maggs signing, be prepared to give him all the props for the Turiaf signing as well...

Back to Bobby Ro - complete douchebag. But isn't that what you want, selfishly, as a fan? A guy who's crunching #s, willing to lie/cheat/steal to get ahead. Same with Nellie. I dont want a popular GM, I want a guy teams hate to deal with... will it get us FAs? No, but Mullin's way wasnt working either... at least now we have a guy with good basketball knowledge and the willingness to backstab people, and a prez who's got a stone cold heart.

Let Mullin take Ridder's job... all he does well is PR.
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Post#59 » by JMac1 » Thu Jul 2, 2009 1:41 am

quote]add in a max contract delivered with major injury questions..
[/quote] So without Curry you are willing to take that chance?
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Re: This is Not A Winning Team 

Post#60 » by Mylie10 » Thu Jul 2, 2009 1:44 am

I think we win 42-48 next year if everybody stays healthy. That's without an Amare deal.

With Amare I'd bet about the same on the high end around 48.

But damn they need to dump this kid Randolph.....Trade him for Yi and then we might have somethin.
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