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It's always fun to catch a few wacky warriors games. In the handful of games I've watched this year, it seems to me that Curry's ceiling really is a 15-mpg bench player. A smart but limited player who you put it and hope he doesn't cost you the lead. He seems to have zero defense, zero quickness, can't really get by his man or finish in traffic, his shot is off more often than not, etc. His two strong points seems to be that he has good court vision and he has uncanny quick hands that make a lot of deflections.

Don't forget that this guy was a shooter in college, having to create shots with the ball in his hands and entire defenses designed to stop him. He's better than what he's shown so far, because he's struggled with his outside shot. The shot is much more money than what we've seen in his early Warriors' career, and he's shown a propensity to get it off whenever he wants, he just isn't making them like we all expected him to. He's also been working on his floater which looks pretty smooth and allows him to score closer to the basket. If he can make his shots, stop turning the ball over, get stronger in his physique, and increase his defensive awareness he'll be a good player in this league. These things should be expected to occur.

Just watched the first quarter of the ORL game, Curry was great. Excellent instincts, good quickness, a nice pull up jumper.

He's a 21 year old rookie 19 games into his career. I think expecting him to be a star right out of the gate is a bit much. Saying he "sucks" is off base.

spudwebb wrote:It's always fun to catch a few wacky warriors games. In the handful of games I've watched this year, it seems to me that Curry's ceiling really is a 15-mpg bench player. A smart but limited player who you put it and hope he doesn't cost you the lead. He seems to have zero defense, zero quickness, can't really get by his man or finish in traffic, his shot is off more often than not, etc. His two strong points seems to be that he has good court vision and he has uncanny quick hands that make a lot of deflections.

Wow it's so funny how people expect curry to play like an all star already. He played great last night, but did cost us in the end. That should be expected though from a rookie. If he didnt make those mistakes, people would be like " wow he's playing like an veteran already ", but when he actually plays like a rookie , people are like " wtf ". AR had good game last night but he's looked a lost worst than curry at times this season imo. Curry's defense and already decent passing will get better with time and he'll limit his turnovers unlike a Mr. Veteran Head Leader. Curry should not be starting though, but with injuries he has too so imo he's done pretty well.

spudwebb wrote: A smart but limited player who you put it and hope he doesn't cost you the lead. He seems to have zero defense, zero quickness, can't really get by his man or finish in traffic, his shot is off more often than not, etc. His two strong points seems to be that he has good court vision and he has uncanny quick hands that make a lot of deflections.

That's totally over the top. He has shows some quickness. He has gotten by his man. He has finished in traffic. He is shooting 43% which isn't terrible. He just hasn't done things with enough consistency. That is too be expected from a Rookie, even an older one. What wasn't expected was the hotdogging and brain farts. He needs a shorter leash. Make him earn it.

Rookies have it rough their first season, alot of them are on tired legs all year depending on how their college careers went plus conditioning, having said that he is losing his starting spot by every passing game and he has no one to blame but himself.

Curry has superstar written all over him according to Nellie.

Sleepy51 wrote:

spudwebb wrote: A smart but limited player who you put it and hope he doesn't cost you the lead. He seems to have zero defense, zero quickness, can't really get by his man or finish in traffic, his shot is off more often than not, etc. His two strong points seems to be that he has good court vision and he has uncanny quick hands that make a lot of deflections.

That's totally over the top. He has shows some quickness. He has gotten by his man. He has finished in traffic. He is shooting 43% which isn't terrible. He just hasn't done things with enough consistency. That is too be expected from a Rookie, even an older one. What wasn't expected was the hotdogging and brain farts. He needs a shorter leash. Make him earn it.

Umm...no one is consistent on this team besides monta and morrow. Watson has been good last couple of games but he is not consistent either, so I guess Nelson sees a better future in curry. You guys complain when Randolph is pulled for his dumb plays. In my opinion curry, morrow, and randolph need to start at all times to play through their mistakes and get better. For all you delusional fans, the warriors are not going to the playoffs so mine as well play the young ones.

So pulling curry after his mistakes is dumb, we already have a different lineup every damn game. I think Nellie has a crush on curry thats why he gets to play thru his mistakes, or maybe he is just more likeable than AR. But AR should be able to play thru just like curry, so hopefully after last game he will.

Line up should be: curry/ monta/ morrow/ vlad/ randolph or hunter, i know randolph is not a center but he is still a better option than god damn moore right now so until beans and turiaf get back go with that lineup.

And Watson is not better a better option than curry , he'll be gone next year with his idiotic one year deal, no way he gets resigned. So even if he makes his shots a little more than curry right now, curry is the future and will soon hit those shots, plus he's already a better passer....so play him (just got work on that defense, which weight training will help).

Also play Randolph too!!!

I don't hate him.
I hate the principles upon which he was drafted and coddled.

DeRozan, Jennings, Lawson, Collison, Clark, Daye, Holiday, Maynor, Casspi, Beaubois, BLAIR, Jerebko, Thornton, and probably others taken after him will either be significantly better pros over their respective careers or will be much better fits as productive, versatile, difference-making role players who won't have the entire league marketing them irresponsibly, causing the stupid double standard this spoiled brat is held to. Almost all of these players are already producing as well or better.

The first problem arising: he was drafted to replace Monta Ellis. No getting around that. That means he was drafted, in fact, to be a NBA point guard. But he is nearly the worst point guard in this class and the team is already moving him out of that role since they see they're stuck now with a serious project. They publicly bashed Ellis through Nelson on this project count before. Now Curry gets free run.

Curry's inconsistent but superficially high assists average is irrelevant (fewer and fewer now that Nellie and Smart play him AS A 2), he's clearly not a point guard. This is like Stephen Jackson getting 5 assists per game only smaller and weaker. He's really not much faster! But he got some assists in the Nellie s--tball attack (remember when Sleepy wondered why Davis didn't lead the league in assists from Nellieball?) without once effecting decent play besides the great team play everyone contributed to against Portland and Dallas.

Curry doesn't have half Ellis' natural abillity and without it, his bulls--t "look at me, I'm a hot point guard" routine just looks like that annoying jacka$$ in the sports goggles the big guy cracks in the face "accidentally" at some point in your pick up game.

He hit three shots while we got blown out in the first quarter last night. Whoop-dee-doo.
He also cost us the game with Maggette after RANDOLPH and ELLIS got us the lead.

Crashbranman wrote:

Sleepy51 wrote:

spudwebb wrote: A smart but limited player who you put it and hope he doesn't cost you the lead. He seems to have zero defense, zero quickness, can't really get by his man or finish in traffic, his shot is off more often than not, etc. His two strong points seems to be that he has good court vision and he has uncanny quick hands that make a lot of deflections.

That's totally over the top. He has shows some quickness. He has gotten by his man. He has finished in traffic. He is shooting 43% which isn't terrible. He just hasn't done things with enough consistency. That is too be expected from a Rookie, even an older one. What wasn't expected was the hotdogging and brain farts. He needs a shorter leash. Make him earn it.

Umm...no one is consistent on this team besides monta and morrow. Watson has been good last couple of games but he is not consistent either, so I guess Nelson sees a better future in curry. You guys complain when Randolph is pulled for his dumb plays. In my opinion curry, morrow, and randolph need to start at all times to play through their mistakes and get better. For all you delusional fans, the warriors are not going to the playoffs so mine as well play the young ones.

So pulling curry after his mistakes is dumb, we already have a different lineup every damn game. I think Nellie has a crush on curry thats why he gets to play thru his mistakes, or maybe he is just more likeable than AR. But AR should be able to play thru just like curry, so hopefully after last game he will.

Line up should be: curry/ monta/ morrow/ vlad/ randolph or hunter, i know randolph is not a center but he is still a better option than god damn moore right now so until beans and turiaf get back go with that lineup.

And Watson is not better a better option than curry , he'll be gone next year with his idiotic one year deal, no way he gets resigned. So even if he makes his shots a little more than curry right now, curry is the future and will soon hit those shots, plus he's already a better passer....so play him (just got work on that defense, which weight training will help).

Also play Randolph too!!!

I'm not talking about "B"enching him. And I'm certainly not considering it for him missing shots or being inconsistent. I'm talking about putting a muzzle on the hot-dogging, the putting the ball at risk just for flash sake plays. He hasn't earned the right to try to "put on a show." He was drafted to bring brains and offensive fundamentals to a team that badly needs them. We don't need the high risk stuff from him and he shouldn't feel entitled to do it until he establishes his NBA bonifides by just making the right play consistently and efficiently.

Radmanovich runs simple cut plays better than him.
The speed of the game is a problem so far for Curry.

Hyperbole/misinformation alert:

He is nearly the worst point guard in this class

DeRozan, Jennings, Lawson, Collison, Clark, Daye, Holiday, Maynor, Casspi, Beaubois, BLAIR, Jerebko, Thornton...almost all of these players are already producing as well or better

Stephen "Stupid Spoiled Brat" Curry: 10.4ppg/5.1apg/3.2rpg

vs. the entire list of players who are "already producing as well or better"

Brandon Jennings: 21.1ppg/5.9apg/3.9rpg

Ty Lawson: 8.9ppg/3.4apg/2.1rpg
Darren Collison: 10.9ppg/4.2apg/2.3apg
Earl Clark 3.4ppg/1.6rpg/0.5apg
Austin Daye: 4.5ppg/2.5rpg/0.2apg
Jrue Holiday: 5.3ppg/2.0apg/1.7rpg
Eric Maynor: 6.4ppg/3.5apg/1.4rpg
Omri Casspi: 10.1ppg/3.8rpg/1.1apg
Beaubois: 6ppg/1.2apg/1.0rpg
Blair: 6.5ppg/5.6rpg/0.7apg
Jerebko: 7.1ppg/4.7rpg/0.5apg
Thornton: 11.2ppg/1.6rpg/0.9apg

So as you can see quite clearly, Curry is actually only being outproduced by ONE of the TWELVE players listed.

Its pretty obvious that CC will say anything to try to make people disdain the GS front office as much as he does. Truth be damned.

I'm right Nick. And people ACTUALLY WATCHING WARRIORS BASKETBALL think for themselves while you cut out a 5 minute stretch of the game and issue your decree of Curry's excellence.

You missed the game, mailed in some spin, and failed.
You need to get over it.

St.Nick wrote:Hyperbole/misinformation alert:

He is nearly the worst point guard in this class

DeRozan, Jennings, Lawson, Collison, Clark, Daye, Holiday, Maynor, Casspi, Beaubois, BLAIR, Jerebko, Thornton...almost all of these players are already producing as well or better

Stephen "Stupid Spoiled Brat" Curry: 10.4ppg/5.1apg/3.2rpg

vs. the entire list of players who are "already producing as well or better"

Brandon Jennings: 21.1ppg/5.9apg/3.9rpg

Ty Lawson: 8.9ppg/3.4apg/2.1rpg
Darren Collison: 10.9ppg/4.2apg/2.3apg
Earl Clark 3.4ppg/1.6rpg/0.5apg
Austin Daye: 4.5ppg/2.5rpg/0.2apg
Jrue Holiday: 5.3ppg/2.0apg/1.7rpg
Eric Maynor: 6.4ppg/3.5apg/1.4rpg
Omri Casspi: 10.1ppg/3.8rpg/1.1apg
Beaubois: 6ppg/1.2apg/1.0rpg
Blair: 6.5ppg/5.6rpg/0.7apg
Jerebko: 7.1ppg/4.7rpg/0.5apg
Thornton: 11.2ppg/1.6rpg/0.9apg

So as you can see quite clearly, Curry is actually only being outproduced by ONE of the TWELVE players listed.

Its pretty obvious that CC will say anything to try to make people disdain the GS front office as much as he does. Truth be damned.

Part of the frustration with Curry is that he's not having much of an impact. He's getting 31 mpg. If other guys on that list (Blair) are getting less time on better teams playing behind better players, then the per game numbers start to mean a lot less.

Missed the game? Shoot, I must have imagined the game over the last 2.5 hrs then.

Curry had a strong first quarter and didn't do much afterwards. That doesn't mean that your post above wasn't full of crap, just like your incredibly biased opinions.

The guy is a rookie. Everyone here knows that, which is why we are not issuing decrees of greatness or failure based on 20 games. Who do you think that you're enlightening here anyways?

St.Nick wrote:Missed the game? Shoot, I must have imagined the game over the last 2.5 hrs then.

Curry had a strong first quarter and didn't do much afterwards. That doesn't mean that your post above wasn't full of crap, just like your incredibly biased opinions.

The guy is a rookie. Everyone here knows that, which is why we are not issuing decrees of greatness or failure based on 20 games. Who do you think that you're enlightening here anyways?

Well . . . some folks actually have been issuing decrees of greatness (not you.) Maybe CC is just fighting the injustice of that?

My argument on Curry's assists numbers is correct and strong.
You can apply it to Ellis if you'd care to. Ellis isn't seeking the most efficient offensive options consitently, either, but has high assists numbers.

Curry's defense does not show up in the stats itinerant fans who don't watch games (like Nick) rely on to pimp their agendas.

Curry has been booed in the Oracle already.
Lots of players taken after him have been better but not getting 30 MPG.
I'm watching lots of games, I assume most don't have the time.

Curry is noticeably worse than all of the rookie PGs, in game.


Curry's assists rate is very high, by the way, and if it's stats we care about more than winning team play, Nick or Floppy could try that approach and compare Curry's AST/TO to Ellis or other rookie PGs. After Lawson completely destroyed Curry head on, I'd think even Nick would reach for at least some circumspection on this instead of, as he's acknowledged he does more than talk basketball, coming after me directly.

I'm 100% correct about the unfair free run Curry's gotten relative to Randolph as a rookie, too.

Sleepy51 wrote:Part of the frustration with Curry is that he's not having much of an impact. He's getting 31 mpg. If other guys on that list (Blair) are getting less time on better teams playing behind better players, then the per game numbers start to mean a lot less.

Thats a game that can be played endlessly.

You say he gets more minutes, so the numbers don't matter as much. I say if the other player's were better that they'd be able to have more minutes.

You say that these guys are backups behind good players so they don't get the chance to produce. I say they don't have to play against starters so their numbers are higher than they would be otherwise.

Bottom line, Curry is playing above average compared to all of the players picked behind him. And he's certainly not being "outproduced." If you want to make another list based on "impact" then its going to take a long time to argue that one due to all of the factors involved.

FTR, I think Curry should be making more of an impact as well. But that doesn't validate the garbage that CC is saying.

Chris Cohan wrote:I don't hate him.
I hate the principles upon which he was drafted and coddled.

DeRozan, Jennings, Lawson, Collison, Clark, Daye, Holiday, Maynor, Casspi, Beaubois, BLAIR, Jerebko, Thornton, and probably others taken after him will either be significantly better pros over their respective careers or will be much better fits as productive, versatile, difference-making role players who won't have the entire league marketing them irresponsibly, causing the stupid double standard this spoiled brat is held to. Almost all of these players are already producing as well or better.

The first problem arising: he was drafted to replace Monta Ellis. No getting around that. That means he was drafted, in fact, to be a NBA point guard. But he is nearly the worst point guard in this class and the team is already moving him out of that role since they see they're stuck now with a serious project. They publicly bashed Ellis through Nelson on this project count before. Now Curry gets free run.up game.

He hit three shots while we got blown out in the first quarter last night. Whoop-dee-doo.
He also cost us the game with Maggette after RANDOLPH and ELLIS got us the lead.

I don't see an agenda here. Nick's agenda is clearly stated. Nick, if you want to address these issues seriously- many of which do not resolve to surface stat analysis- you're welcome to try.