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Re: Bears/Panthers postgame 

Post#41 » by dougthonus » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:38 pm

So because Orton missed a couple of long throws he a large part of the loss ?


Because Orton was completely incompetent at his job, yes. He was a huge part of the loss. He failed to perform his job at the basic level required to be successful in this league.

The bears lost on the three key components of the way the team is built and these things have been established since day one of Lovie tenure.

limit turnovers - those two by Olsen were huge and turnovers in general is primary reason Rex is the backup in the first place

special teams /field position - key penalties on special teams and several on offense as well put us on the losing side of the starting field position battle .

We dont have an offense that was built for quick strike capabilities but for grinding it out eating up the clock

stopping the run - the defense gave up almost 100 yards rushing in the second half and that was with a lead


You are speaking largely in irrelevancies.

Who cares how yards rushing the defense allowed? The defense put the offense in a position where it needed to score 11 points, and it couldn't do it.

That's a failure by your offense. That's a pathetic horrible failure by your offense. You should win the game 9 times out of 10 if that's all it takes.

The running game was effective. Forte averaged 4 yards per carry.

Greg Olsen was the largest point of failure on the team. His fumbles killed us. After that Orton was the largest single point of failure on the team because he was completely ineffective and incapable of doing his job.
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Re: Bears/Panthers postgame 

Post#42 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:02 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Because Orton was completely incompetent at his job, yes. He was a huge part of the loss. He failed to perform his job at the basic level required to be successful in this league.


How was he incompetent ? he had better numbers than Delhomme would anyone say he was incompetent ? This was the 5th or 6th start in a row where Orton had a better QB rating then the opposing QB. he missed on some timely plays but he was anything but incompetent


You are speaking largely in irrelevancies.

Who cares how yards rushing the defense allowed? The defense put the offense in a position where it needed to score 11 points, and it couldn't do it.

That's a failure by your offense. That's a pathetic horrible failure by your offense. You should win the game 9 times out of 10 if that's all it takes.

The running game was effective. Forte averaged 4 yards per carry.

Greg Olsen was the largest point of failure on the team. His fumbles killed us. After that Orton was the largest single point of failure on the team because he was completely ineffective and incapable of doing his job.



So now you are saying the bears defense shouldnt be expected to hold a lead ? or to not give up 17 second half points ? I dont care what year it is if you are a chicago bears defense and there is 17 points on the board and you have the lead you are expected to win that game .The offense is not making the big dollars the defense is .

Most would say a QB who was 7-8 in the first half to 7 different receivers was competent even though he missed several plays in the second half he didnt hurt the team nearly as much as as you are trying to make it seem. Does Orton need to improve his deep ball ? Yes but hes only 25 years old so its not like he cant buts its not like hes playing in offense where hes gonna get a bunch of chances at it . Turner aint Mike Marsh,Kyle aint warner and we have no Holt, Az akim,or Bruce heck we dont even a have a Proehl although we once did lol

We know this team is built on running the ball with PA longball well thats takes timing and it doesnt happen overnight
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Re: Bears/Panthers postgame 

Post#43 » by dougthonus » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:50 pm

Well, I'm done arguing the same points.

I'll just say, we'll wait and see. I think Orton is a train wreck, and his play will be the greatest limiting factor on what we accomplish this season. I can buy into the argument that we can't do any better, since there were no better FA QBs, but I like Grossman more than Orton so far after seeing Orton play 2 weeks.
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Re: Bears/Panthers postgame 

Post#44 » by Sinistar6 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:11 pm

Chicago is the easiest team in the league for a defensive coordinator to game plan against.

Rex should be our starter just for the fact he can at least scare other teams down field.

Fantasy owners of Forte should be worried as it becomes more and more obvious Orton can not go long.

Our defense looks like its back which should keep us in games, however when it comes down to the fourth quarter and the bears need a score, would you be scared?

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