Don't throw Martz under the bus/Our next OC?

[WEFFPIM]

Frankly, this idea of "Bears football" is headscratching to me. The Bears won last season by doing it the way they usually don't, and we were fine with it. What I'm not fine with is Martz being so ungodly stubborn when it's clear another change was needed. Good offensive coordinators work with the talent they have for the best possible product. By and large, he's done that this season. But he didn't do it Sunday, and it contributed to the Bears losing.

[Chewie]

Frankly, this idea of "Bears football" is headscratching to me. The Bears won last season by doing it the way they usually don't, and we were fine with it. What I'm not fine with is Martz being so ungodly stubborn when it's clear another change was needed. Good offensive coordinators work with the talent they have for the best possible product. By and large, he's done that this season. But he didn't do it Sunday, and it contributed to the Bears losing.

I can appreciate that having Cutler will allow us to pass more effectively than offenses prior to when he arrived. That's just my style I'm not a fan of any system that doesn't utilize the TE and FB as much. Martz doesn't work with what he has - he saw Olsen wasn't a fit for his scheme and he soon hit the bricks. He's not changing his system - to any major degree - for anyone.

[organix85]

On the OTHER hand, Martz's system isn't "Bears football" to me. I was just besides myself in that Raiders game when Barber was just cutting through the defense and then Martz abandoned the run and went heavy pass. Maybe he was looking to catch them off guard but esp when you've got Hanie in there, you should just roll with what's working until the defense shows they can stop it. Don't over-think it. And the throwback screen call was just terrible. Should Hanie have thrown it ? Of course not - it was an awful throw. Should Martz have called it in the first place? Hellz no. Keep it simple, stupid.

I want a TE that's more involved in the passing scheme. I want a fullback that's more involved in the game plan. I want our QB to have the freedom to audible given the defensive look he's given. I WANT BEARS FOOTBALL.

For the record, I'm not a fan of Martz. Not that I want Bears football per se... but I didn't want the greatest show on turf. I would've been happier if we were able to land someone else. IIRC, Chan Gailey was available that offseason and I've always been a big fan of his. I liked Weiss more too whether or not that was the right choice. Anyway, it didn't work out the way I wanted. But I will say, this is one of the better offensive team's I've seen as far back as I can remember. I know that isn't saying much given what we've had, but it is something. Also, I do agree with you that this team is very seriously lacking in offensive talent. Which leads me to one of my biggest problems... I hate what Angelo has done here. Since acquiring Cutler, the only offensive talent he's added in the first 4 rounds has been Iglesias and Carimi. His biggest signing has been Roy Williams... I guess. That is nonsense. Get your QB some help.

Btw, I don't recall starting this thread.

[jl342323]

Btw, I don't recall starting this thread.

first time ive seen this happen

[emperorjones]

Btw, I don't recall starting this thread.

yea, I was practicing splitting off a thread from within a topic and since your post was the start of the Martz topic I thought it was the best place and a good post to start with.

[emperorjones]

Looks like Martz has his bags packed anyway.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/fo ... 1559.story

Report: Martz interested in Arizona State job

Chicago Tribunes Staff report

Chicago Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz reportedly is interested in the head-coaching opening at Arizona State, where he once served as an assistant.

According to a Twitter report from Doug Haller of the Arizona Republic, Martz is interested in filling the vacancy created by the firing Monday of Sun Devils coach Dennis Erickson.

Martz, who spent nine seasons as Arizona State's quarterbacks/receivers coach (1983, 1986-87) and offensive coordinator (1984, 1988-91), is in the final year of his contract with the Bears after declining to acccept a renewal offer during the offseason.

[heir_jordan22]

I just saw that article. He will definitely be gone at the end of the year. I think you're spot on with your Tice as OC theory.

[Chewie]

The offseason plan is coming together already.

1) Martz leaves
2) Tice takes over as OC
3) Draft WRs early and often
4) Carimi comes back 100%
5) Get more OL help in FA
6) Actually succeed in annual hunt for 3rd down rushing specialist

Superbowl champs.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I think Biggie and I (if I can speak for him) mean he didn't adjust his plan at all to account for different personnel. He went into that game with the same GP he would have had with Cutler at QB. Martz has a certain attack plan and I don't think he considered Hanie was his QB when putting that together.

My thoughts exactly.

[The Explorer]

I don't have a problem with Martz being gone, its just that i hate Cutler having to learn what would be his 4th offense in 5 years. The offense under Martz was just starting to click after 1.5 years, it would suck to break that continuity.

On the other hand, why would AZ state be interested in martz? He's 60 years old and what does he have left in him to start recruiting teenagers when he's never done that before? Doesn't make sense.

[emperorjones]

I think that's why Tice will be the next OC. The transition won't be as bad since they could use the basics of the offense and work together with Cutler to transform it into a Tice system. It's not like Tice has a system to put in place, he'd be a lot like Marinelli coming in as DC.

As for Arizona? No way Martz is their guy. Martz would have to take an offbeat/fringe Div I school that couldn't get anyone as high profile as him. Just his experience in the NFL would be the recruiting tool. Not sure who that is now, but back in the day when I was at UCLA, he would have been perfect for a school like San Diego State when they had Marshall Faulk.

[The Explorer]

I like Tice as the next guy up, but the one thing that I would be weary of is he's never called plays before. I think he could handle it, though

[organix85]

I think that's why Tice will be the next OC. The transition won't be as bad since they could use the basics of the offense and work together with Cutler to transform it into a Tice system. It's not like Tice has a system to put in place, he'd be a lot like Marinelli coming in as DC.

I honestly think Tice would have to change what is in place to a decent degree. The thing with Marinelli is that he is a believer in the Tampa 2 and he's been in the system for years. So, he is calling from an existing playbook, but it is one he's very familiar with and confident in... and has made a career off of.

I think the Martz flavor of the Coryell offense is something very few guys really believe in anymore and I am not convinced that Tice would want to look at that playbook and game plan with it. For lack of a better term, it is too complicated. At the peak of "the greatest show on turf", the system worked so well cause Martz was just really good at keeping the defense on their toes. He was also able to make plays and change them on a whim cause it was his creation. He's a really bright guy and was very successful cause it was very unpredictable. With that being said, I don't want to see Tice try to do that. I'd guess he'd want to do something more like what he had in Minnesota with Linehan. I'd be pretty content if he was able to bring in that system and I would like it much more than what we have now in theory. However, that does go back to the original problem of another offense in such a short time for Jay. I guess time will tell if they go that route.

I like Tice as the next guy up, but the one thing that I would be weary of is he's never called plays before. I think he could handle it, though

That is my biggest concern with Tice.

[Chewie]

For lack of a better term, it is too complicated. At the peak of "the greatest show on turf", the system worked so well cause Martz was just really good at keeping the defense on their toes. He was also able to make plays and change them on a whim cause it was his creation. He's a really bright guy and was very successful cause it was very unpredictable.

The system worked because it had Warner, Faulk, Bruce, and Holt going for it.

There's some names that won me some fantasy games.

[WEFFPIM]

The system worked because it had Warner, Faulk, Bruce, and Holt going for it.

Ding! Fries are done!

It worked because of the personnel he had, plain and simple.

[organix85]

For lack of a better term, it is too complicated. At the peak of "the greatest show on turf", the system worked so well cause Martz was just really good at keeping the defense on their toes. He was also able to make plays and change them on a whim cause it was his creation. He's a really bright guy and was very successful cause it was very unpredictable.

The system worked because it had Warner, Faulk, Bruce, and Holt going for it.

There's some names that won me some fantasy games.

Of course he had talent too... any good team does, but if you think any Joe-shmoe would've done the same with that team, you're kidding yourself. All those guys had career years with Martz calling the plays.