Predict Lovie's firing date thread

[CalilLove89]

The 49ers are why you change coaches, if our gm has a guy he likes, this is the perfect year to make a change.

When you change GM you are giving him power to make changes, and i would have to assume he has a guy in mind.

Phil may not want to draft defensive players for this scheme, if that is the case, Lovie is gone.

There are many reasons to make a change, and this is literally the perfect time to do it, Lovie will want an extension, or be let go before next season, does Phil want to commit to Lovies defense for another long deal?

NFL coaches do not enter the final year of their contract, this isn't like other sports.

[CalilLove89]

We are in basketball hell right now, as an anology.

The bears are the atlanta hawks of recent memory.

[Sonny_D1]

Give me Bill O'Brien who comes from the Belichick coaching tree or Chip Kelly who is an offensive innovator. In the NFL, Ill take Gus Bradley the DC of Seattle. Get some fresh blood in here with some potential.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

The 49ers are why you change coaches, if our gm has a guy he likes, this is the perfect year to make a change.

When you change GM you are giving him power to make changes, and i would have to assume he has a guy in mind.

Phil may not want to draft defensive players for this scheme, if that is the case, Lovie is gone.

There are many reasons to make a change, and this is literally the perfect time to do it, Lovie will want an extension, or be let go before next season, does Phil want to commit to Lovies defense for another long deal?

NFL coaches do not enter the final year of their contract, this isn't like other sports.

^^^^^The problem with that scenario is that Lovie had partial power to hire the GM, Phil Emery. Regarding the 49ers, Mike Singletary turned out to be a horrible Head coach & the players basically rebelled against him. They simply had no choice.

We are in basketball hell right now, as an anology.

The bears are the atlanta hawks of recent memory.

In basketball, you don't go from having the worst record in the league one season to being in the playoffs the next season like the Colts.

The NFL has parity, which allows any team to win a Superbowl in any given year.

[CalilLove89]

^^^^^The problem with that scenario is that Lovie had partial power to hire the GM, Phil Emery. Regarding the 49ers, Mike Singletary turned out to be a horrible Head coach & the players basically rebelled against him. They simply had no choice.

But for phil to come here I thought he wanted full control, this isn't the families team anymore with a puppet GM.

Singletary may have been bad, but that team got better with a new coach, that team was thought to have been lacking talent and fodder to the good teams, he single handidly turned them into a contender with minor personnel changes.

And i personally believe your head coach needs to be offensively minded in todays NFL.

[CalilLove89]

Biggie, you cannot say that the bears have been nothing but mediocre under Lovie, the superbowl was nice, but we have been mediocre and seem to be going in the wrong direction.

The analogy works, the worst thing you can be in sports is mediocre.

Andrew luck and RG3 are both LeBron type prospects, especially weighted with the importance of the quarterback and inheriting teams with the worst two QB's in the league.

[Jake0890]

Okay LobosJordan, let's play with your idea and can Lovie. What happens then? Who do we hire? Is the person we hire a magical genius that can turn the practice squad level O-Linemen we have into hall of famers? What if the same things happen again next year with this new coach, do we fire him too? Won't we be having this discussion again next year, because we all know the Bears' offense can't turn into a top 10 offense overnight?

You can't clean out a team every time you're disappointed, or you'll never be any good.

What in the world are you talking about? The man has been here nine years, missed the playoffs 5 out of the last 6. This isn't cleaning out every time you're disappointed, because we've been disappointed a number of times besides this year. The thing that will really cause you to never be be good is to be complacent and accept mediocrity.

I think most competent offensive coaches could've done more with offense this year, btw. As bad as Martz was, he still managed to get more out of the offense than we got this year, with less talent.

What I meant by what you bolded above is that it seems every time a team has a bad game, be it NFL or NBA, someone in the RealGM forums suggests to blow the team up, like it's going to be some savior of the team.

And I do agree with the Martz thing. I strongly dislike Tice, and it's not his job I'm standing up for.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

^^^^^The problem with that scenario is that Lovie had partial power to hire the GM, Phil Emery. Regarding the 49ers, Mike Singletary turned out to be a horrible Head coach & the players basically rebelled against him. They simply had no choice.

But for phil to come here I thought he wanted full control, this isn't the families team anymore with a puppet GM.

Cali, if you read the GM thread on this Bears board (somewhere on one of these pages), you will see that the reports had Lovie playing a major role in choosing the new GM.

Singletary may have been bad, but that team got better with a new coach, that team was thought to have been lacking talent and fodder to the good teams, he single handidly turned them into a contender with minor personnel changes.

And i personally believe your head coach needs to be offensively minded in todays NFL.

Singletary would still be there if he single handidly turned them into a contender. Harbaugh would have never been hired a couple years after Singletary was hired.

Biggie, you cannot say that the bears have been nothing but mediocre under Lovie, the superbowl was nice, but we have been mediocre and seem to be going in the wrong direction.

I somewhat agree with your post, but they are not heading in the wrong direction. The man had to coach this team for years without a legit QB. When he finally gets a legit QB, he's not given any WRs or an O-Line. Keep in mind that I'm not a huge Lovie fan.

The analogy works, the worst thing you can be in sports is mediocre.

I can't agree with your NBA analogy because we always see quick turnarounds in the NFL, but rarely ever see them in the NBA.

Andrew luck and RG3 are both LeBron type prospects, especially weighted with the importance of the quarterback and inheriting teams with the worst two QB's in the league.

This season's turnarounds of the Redskins & Colts are just two in a long line of franchise turnarounds that occur annually in the NFL. The Lions were the darlings of the NFL last year, but look at their record this season after they added even more talent.

The NFL is literally a 'Game Of Inches" that can take ANY team to victory "On Any Given Sunday".

[CBS7]

Yeah all these NBA analogies don't really work too well in the NFL. In the NFL, a nice 3 game win streak against good teams can be.. a super bowl run.

[Susan]

If they hire Norv Turner or another offensive genius for the OC, I would be fine with even keeping Lovie for an extension.

The players play for him, we've got an elite defense with him and his system and if you can manage to seriously change the offensive mindset of this franchise, you would really have something here.

You don't fire coaches to appease the fans.

[babblin-on]

If they hire Norv Turner or another offensive genius for the OC, I would be fine with even keeping Lovie for an extension.

The players play for him, we've got an elite defense with him and his system and if you can manage to seriously change the offensive mindset of this franchise, you would really have something here.

You don't fire coaches to appease the fans.

Lovie could barely get guys to come and interview for him in his last couple attempts at finding an OC. How many times do we have to watch this movie?

[CalilLove89]

I think Lovie is a good man, and a good coach, this team needs to go in a different direction in my opinion, I really believe we need an offensive minded head coach.

Just look at how much more important offense has become, whether it be all the records breaking, college systems, pass to run, RULES, I mean it is obvious you have to be ahead of the curve offensively in todays NFL. I just think Lovie Smith is redundant, we have a great D Coordinator and D head coach and completely lack on Offense.

I just cannot see how he stays considering the past couple years, he always eeks out a decent season to warrant an extension, at some point you have to cut ties and try something else.

What is the point of keeping him around another year if the expectations are not going to be met, this team should be a title contender, instead we have the 28th ranked offense. I mean there are teams that have HORRID O lines that can muster better efforts, LOOK AT GREEN BAY, their O line is terrible, yet they still find a way.

Do we not blame him for the horrible timeouts, because we cannot get plays called, I know that is the O coordinator, but at some point Lovie needs to get control of his coaches, I mean it took the bye week the past three years for him to sit our playcallers down for a stern talking to.

Look at the Cutler Era, he was handed the best quarterback we have ever had, and the best reciever we have ever had, and a really good versatile RB, and a top 5 defense, at some point you have to meet expectations.

10-6 is HORRIBLE when you consider how well we started, completely collapsed, we could not beat a single good team, our best win was what, the Colts?

WHY THE HELL WAS HESTER PLAYING? Sometimes when you have a players coach, he wont offend his "guys" look at what harbaugh did to Alex Smith, he benched him, whether you think its right or not, at least he can adjust.

We are not a horrible team that will make a giant leap, we are a good team that cannot get over the hump, and now we cannot get into the playoffs, unacceptable.

[CalilLove89]

^^^^^The problem with that scenario is that Lovie had partial power to hire the GM, Phil Emery. Regarding the 49ers, Mike Singletary turned out to be a horrible Head coach & the players basically rebelled against him. They simply had no choice.

But for phil to come here I thought he wanted full control, this isn't the families team anymore with a puppet GM.

Cali, if you read the GM thread on this Bears board (somewhere on one of these pages), you will see that the reports had Lovie playing a major role in choosing the new GM.

I understand that, I am saying that I thought the talk when he was hired is he has control now, just like Epstein, I do not think you are insinuating that Lovie has more power than Emery, right?

If he does, that is the kind of crap that sinks franchises, look at the Cubs, look at the Cowboys, look at the Clippers etc.. If you have owners calling the shots, and undermining the GM and the front Office, that is a recipe for disaster, and all the more reason for him to go.

If Emery decides to keep Lovie, that is his decision, I just think that it is his decision now, unlike what was rumored in the past with other GM's.

I think ultimately if Emery had a guy in mind before he even took the job, that guy will be coaching next year, and if he cannot get his dream guy, he will ride Lovie and see what happens.

I do not think we will make a change for the heck of it, it has to be an upgrade or lateral move to an offensive coach.

And I understand that the NFL has teams that come out of nowhere, but there are also teams that are going to be there every year, and I think that the Chicago Bears, need to be there every year, I do not think that making the playoffs should be the exception and not the rule with this franchise.

[Jake0890]

Today is Black Monday, so if Lovie or Tice is to be fired, it may be done today.

[CalilLove89]

He gone

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