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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#161 » by heir_jordan22 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:30 pm

fleet wrote:Long being this good, maybe it wasn't a reach after all. I thought the Bears should have been able to trade down for him or take a linebacker in the first and grab Long at the Bostic spot. But if Emery could see this talent, somebody else out there should have been able to as well. So he possibly wasn't going to last long. Pun not intended. I don't know what the game film showed. But how many times do these combine heroes play to their workouts? The Shea Mac pick was different. That was a reach, could have gotten him lower. Long...not so sure anymore. Emery had to know somebody else liked him very soon after.

I don't want to get too exited yet. RG is the easiest position on the line to play. But then again not many RGs can play at that level. Mills is going to have to play at a very high level himself or these 2 may flop positions someday.

Every single one of my friends who are Patriots and Packers fans are convinced to this day that they would have picked McClellin if he was there. I think the Patriots got Chandler Jones a couple spots after we picked, so I don't think we would have been able to trade down if Emery really wanted him.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#162 » by DJhitek » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:22 pm

The single biggest take away was the play of the offensive line and Kyle Long.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Pete/status/368422144155598848

After a dominating display of run blocking last night, Kyle Long has the highest preseason @PFF grade of any O-lineman. #Bears


Cutler will always throw the ball to the other team, it could be Cutler, Marshall and no one else on the field and he would still find a way to throw a pick. But if the line plays as well as it did last night the Bears will put up enough points to be contenders in the NFC IMO.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#163 » by DJhitek » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:24 pm

fleet wrote:Long being this good, maybe it wasn't a reach after all. I thought the Bears should have been able to trade down for him or take a linebacker in the first and grab Long at the Bostic spot. But if Emery could see this talent, somebody else out there should have been able to as well. So he possibly wasn't going to last long. Pun not intended. I don't know what the game film showed. But how many times do these combine heroes play to their workouts? The Shea Mac pick was different. That was a reach, could have gotten him lower. Long...not so sure anymore. Emery had to know somebody else liked him very soon after.

I don't want to get too exited yet. RG is the easiest position on the line to play. But then again not many RGs can play at that level. Mills is going to have to play at a very high level himself or these 2 may flop positions someday.


As an aside, Shea Mac played really well last night. The line play on both sides was dominate last night.
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Post#164 » by emperorjones » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:27 pm

fleet wrote:Long being this good, maybe it wasn't a reach after all. I thought the Bears should have been able to trade down for him or take a linebacker in the first and grab Long at the Bostic spot. But if Emery could see this talent, somebody else out there should have been able to as well. So he possibly wasn't going to last long. Pun not intended. I don't know what the game film showed. But how many times do these combine heroes play to their workouts? The Shea Mac pick was different. That was a reach, could have gotten him lower. Long...not so sure anymore. Emery had to know somebody else liked him very soon after.

I don't want to get too exited yet. RG is the easiest position on the line to play. But then again not many RGs can play at that level. Mills is going to have to play at a very high level himself or these 2 may flop positions someday.


The night after round 1, Howie Long said that there was no way he would have lasted to the 2nd round. He said he knew of more than one team that was guaranteed to take him at the end of the first. So he said he was not surprised that the Bears grabbed him. I figured it was the Packers at the time. Screw them. We got em! :lol:
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Post#165 » by jl342323 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:32 am

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fleet wrote:Long being this good, maybe it wasn't a reach after all. I thought the Bears should have been able to trade down for him or take a linebacker in the first and grab Long at the Bostic spot. But if Emery could see this talent, somebody else out there should have been able to as well. So he possibly wasn't going to last long. Pun not intended. I don't know what the game film showed. But how many times do these combine heroes play to their workouts? The Shea Mac pick was different. That was a reach, could have gotten him lower. Long...not so sure anymore. Emery had to know somebody else liked him very soon after.

I don't want to get too exited yet. RG is the easiest position on the line to play. But then again not many RGs can play at that level. Mills is going to have to play at a very high level himself or these 2 may flop positions someday.


The night after round 1, Howie Long said that there was no way he would have lasted to the 2nd round. He said he knew of more than one team that was guaranteed to take him at the end of the first. So he said he was not surprised that the Bears grabbed him. I figured it was the Packers at the time. Screw them. We got em! :lol:


lol. i hope it was the packers.

packers really liked shea mcclellin last year.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#166 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:44 am

fleet wrote:defense got a bunch of turnovers. First team did well enough to build on too. Other than that. Yeah...

Don’t be fooled by the scoreboard. Sure, the Bears put up points, but they were powered by 3 fumble recoveries, an interception and a blocked punt. The Chargers outgained the Bears 383 to 185 with 24 first downs to the Bears’ 13. If you consider that Forte had a 58 yard run, that’s not a whole heck of a lot of offense.


http://beargoggleson.com/2013/08/15/bea ... -chargers/


Marc, meet Jay:
Jay Cutler attempted five passes Thursday and all five went to Marshall.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/c ... we-learned

I just don't get why he doesn't trust anyone else. It's not like Kellen Davis and Hester are out there anymore. I guess some habits die hard.

Maybe everyone should wear a Marshall Jersey. Or Hopefully Jay was just feeding Marshall because he didn't play the first game.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#167 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:52 am

DJhitek wrote:The single biggest take away was the play of the offensive line and Kyle Long.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Pete/status/368422144155598848

After a dominating display of run blocking last night, Kyle Long has the highest preseason @PFF grade of any O-lineman. #Bears


Cutler will always throw the ball to the other team, it could be Cutler, Marshall and no one else on the field and he would still find a way to throw a pick. But if the line plays as well as it did last night the Bears will put up enough points to be contenders in the NFC IMO.

I'm not too worried about Cutler throwing interceptions like that. Fact is, it's going to happen because he tends to want to take risks with his big arm. I just think he will have better chances to redeem himself this time around where he will have more play makers to get the ball to. Not having to worry about Kellen Davis and Hester dropping wide open TD passes.

Now he just needs to spread the ball and not zero in on Marshall every time. Especially when the defense has double coverage on him.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#168 » by fleet » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:55 am

Red-Bulls83 wrote:
fleet wrote:defense got a bunch of turnovers. First team did well enough to build on too. Other than that. Yeah...

Don’t be fooled by the scoreboard. Sure, the Bears put up points, but they were powered by 3 fumble recoveries, an interception and a blocked punt. The Chargers outgained the Bears 383 to 185 with 24 first downs to the Bears’ 13. If you consider that Forte had a 58 yard run, that’s not a whole heck of a lot of offense.


http://beargoggleson.com/2013/08/15/bea ... -chargers/


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Jay Cutler attempted five passes Thursday and all five went to Marshall.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/c ... we-learned

I just don't get why he doesn't trust anyone else. It's not like Kellen Davis and Hester are out there anymore. I guess some habits die hard.

Maybe everyone should wear a Marshall Jersey. Or Hopefully Jay was just feeding Marshall because he didn't play the first game.

It would be less troublesome without the pick. Even when Marshall wasn't open and Jay for some reason forces it. I've been his longest supporter because I believe in his ability not with his body but with his mind. I'd hate to be wrong about that. I'll give it until the 3rd reg season game before I turn on him. He has no excuse to avoid Bennett, Forte and Jeffrey if they are open just to check as see if Marshall is open. If Jeffrey is open and he is the primary hit him, don't check Marshall and try to go back. By that time Jay is holding the ball.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#169 » by fleet » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:59 am

and why is he staring him down '83? Bad sign as well. Look around Jay.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#170 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:02 am

fleet wrote:It would be less troublesome without the pick. Even when Marshall wasn't open and Jay for some reason forces it. I've been his longest supporter because I believe in his ability not with his body but with his mind. I'd hate to be wrong about that. I'll give it until the 3rd reg season game before I turn on him. He has no excuse to avoid Bennett, Forte and Jeffrey if they are open just to check as see if Marshall is open. If Jeffrey is open and he is the primary hit him, don't check Marshall and try to go back. By that time Jay is holding the ball.

Hopefully Trestman just grills him about it. I'm a big fan of Jay as well, and I think he will figure it out. I'm not worried about the picks, because picks are going to happen. They are part of the game. I want to see him do a better job of redeeming himself as the game goes on if he does throw a pass away. And with the weapons he has, I think he will.

He just needs to use them.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#171 » by fleet » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:04 am

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fleet wrote:Long being this good, maybe it wasn't a reach after all. I thought the Bears should have been able to trade down for him or take a linebacker in the first and grab Long at the Bostic spot. But if Emery could see this talent, somebody else out there should have been able to as well. So he possibly wasn't going to last long. Pun not intended. I don't know what the game film showed. But how many times do these combine heroes play to their workouts? The Shea Mac pick was different. That was a reach, could have gotten him lower. Long...not so sure anymore. Emery had to know somebody else liked him very soon after.

I don't want to get too exited yet. RG is the easiest position on the line to play. But then again not many RGs can play at that level. Mills is going to have to play at a very high level himself or these 2 may flop positions someday.


As an aside, Shea Mac played really well last night. The line play on both sides was dominate last night.

I'm not looking for ways to bag on him. I thought so as well. He had a couple nice rushes for sure. I read some article that said he didn't hold against the run so well and stuck to a couple blockers. Alex Brown, he played almost as light as Shea. It can be done well enough I hope. I'm expecting Wooten to get the first shot on 1st and second down. Unless the Bears go to the hybrid 3/4
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#172 » by fleet » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:18 am

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fleet wrote:Long being this good, maybe it wasn't a reach after all. I thought the Bears should have been able to trade down for him or take a linebacker in the first and grab Long at the Bostic spot. But if Emery could see this talent, somebody else out there should have been able to as well. So he possibly wasn't going to last long. Pun not intended. I don't know what the game film showed. But how many times do these combine heroes play to their workouts? The Shea Mac pick was different. That was a reach, could have gotten him lower. Long...not so sure anymore. Emery had to know somebody else liked him very soon after.

I don't want to get too exited yet. RG is the easiest position on the line to play. But then again not many RGs can play at that level. Mills is going to have to play at a very high level himself or these 2 may flop positions someday.

Every single one of my friends who are Patriots and Packers fans are convinced to this day that they would have picked McClellin if he was there. I think the Patriots got Chandler Jones a couple spots after we picked, so I don't think we would have been able to trade down if Emery really wanted him.

yeah I've heard that. I don't know about it. My problem is I don't see Shea as a real DE. The D Jones pick for Green Bay lends to that possibility positionally if they saw Shea playing end. D Jones is a bigger man though. Other than that, Shea is basically gonna be Clay Mathews backup on that team. The other side opposite Mathews needs to be a bigger man. I would think if they wanted him to be a linebacker its possible, but if there were players graded as high as Shea still avail, and there were, you would think they might prefer someone else who doesn't play Clay Mathews position. But, ya never know.

For the Pats, eh, I liked Chandler Jones better as a player, so as smart as I think the Patriots are, my ego would say Jones was their first choice. if Chandler Jones was not available, all bets are off.
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Re: Chargers @ Bears 

Post#173 » by fleet » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:51 am

Name an O-lineman, any lineman. Kyle Long is better. Best so far. In the NFL. Let the hype begin:

Bears rookie RG Kyle Long has the highest Pro Football Focus grade of all NFL offensive linemen at this point in the preseason.

Long played well in Chicago's exhibition opener and legitimately dominated in Thursday night's preseason game against San Diego, earning a +5.7 grade from PFF, which is an outstanding mark in only 33 snaps worth of action. Rookie RT Jordan Mills also held his own versus the Chargers, possibly giving the Bears some hope on their offensive line. It's been a rag-tag/mash unit for years.

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