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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#21 » by RedBulls23 » Fri Dec 5, 2014 7:50 am

fleet wrote:It may be somewhat. But I dont believe GMs and coaches agree with you. These are qualities they value at a premium. Great leaders always have that demeanor going for them instinctively. And its not just demeanor. Great leaders inspire with fear, and also fear of disapointing them through the force of their personality and quality of character.

As an aside, I was watching an NFL show the other day that had a guy, maybe it was Boomer, saying that coaches are so high on sideline demeanor they get on their QBs on the sidelines to stand up straight and hold their head up. Which I found interesting it went that far. But searching my memory, I have vague recollections being corrected on this myself in school.

I've seen Manning waive off Dungy and do his own thing on offense and I have seen him being not so friendly on the sideline. I have seen Brady also do similar things. Rodgers took a jab at his coach earlier this year through the media when they started 1-2 AND he has had 3-4 former teammates call him out on his "leadership" in general.

Cutler in fact doesn't hang his head on the side line (one random clip from the camera guy doesn't mean that's all he's doing back there). He blames himself for his mistakes as well. Yes he has had the same clashes with teammates and coaches that the above guys have, but once again the big difference is when those guys are on the field they play smart and have winning results.

Are you willing to say that if the Bears were 8-5 right now and Cutler was a better QB on the field with his mechanics and decision making, that you would be questioning his leadership? Or some random clip of him on the sideline?
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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#22 » by fleet » Fri Dec 5, 2014 7:57 am

I don't know if its all on Cutler decision making. Although some of it obviously is. But try running the wrong route on Peyton Manning. Try it. You may die of guilt
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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#23 » by DJhitek » Fri Dec 5, 2014 12:56 pm

At this point, I just think we are so poorly coached in every aspect of the game that I can't lay a ton of blame on Jay Cutler. The amount of mental blunders on display last night and throughout the season is staggering and I cannot believe how any of these Bears coaches survive the season.
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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#24 » by VoiceofReason » Fri Dec 5, 2014 2:05 pm

That was quite a commitment to the run for the Trestman offense. 46/15 is balance? Commitment? Dallas 26/35 pass/run, watch the tape Bears, that's what commitment to attacking a team's weak point is. I'd like to see playcalling taken away from Trestman by Phil Emery. Somebody, hold someone accountable on this management staff, for ONCE. Let the OC call the plays and see if he has any ability at all. I'll say it again, FIRE MEL TUCKER.
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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#25 » by Chaomino » Fri Dec 5, 2014 2:32 pm

And fire Joe D. Our Special Teams unit is an absolute mess.

A tipped punt, blocked extra point, two penalties on on-side kicks, a penalty on a trick kick off return... and hundreds and hundreds of penalties on each and every play they show up.

Pat O'Donnell is the only guy playing great on ST but every punt is an adventure to him behind this coverage.


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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#26 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Fri Dec 5, 2014 3:37 pm

I don't know what people want from Jay. When he was trying to light a fire under Webbs ass and yelling at coordinators he was some dbag dick and now he's a passive nanny. Maybe, just maybe the media paints the picture they want and Jays lockerroom interactions are a little more conplex than we're pretending. I can't imagine he underwent done massive personality shift in all his time here.


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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#27 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Fri Dec 5, 2014 3:38 pm

Chaomino wrote:And fire Joe D. Our Special Teams unit is an absolute mess.

A tipped punt, blocked extra point, two penalties on on-side kicks, a penalty on a trick kick off return... and hundreds and hundreds of penalties on each and every play they show up.

Pat O'Donnell is the only guy playing great on ST but every punt is an adventure to him behind this coverage.


The front office need to clean the house from top to bottom.

I would not say Pat O'Donnel has been great. He's had flashes but is still inconsistent, the protection and coverage issues aside.


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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#28 » by NZB2323 » Fri Dec 5, 2014 8:49 pm

Fire the Coach, fire the GM, fire the hot dog vendors.

It's time for a total rebuild, from top to bottom.
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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#29 » by RedBulls23 » Sun Dec 7, 2014 6:09 am

Friend_Of_Haley wrote:
Chaomino wrote:And fire Joe D. Our Special Teams unit is an absolute mess.

A tipped punt, blocked extra point, two penalties on on-side kicks, a penalty on a trick kick off return... and hundreds and hundreds of penalties on each and every play they show up.

Pat O'Donnell is the only guy playing great on ST but every punt is an adventure to him behind this coverage.


The front office need to clean the house from top to bottom.

I would not say Pat O'Donnel has been great. He's had flashes but is still inconsistent, the protection and coverage issues aside.


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It so sad that we drafted him. You know what the kicker is (pun intended)? They released a guy who they got on FA who is a better punter than ODonnel.
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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#30 » by chitownsports4ever » Sun Dec 7, 2014 4:08 pm

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chitownsports4ever wrote:
Friend_Of_Haley wrote:I'm sure you know tons about Cutlers leadership.



Been watching it for 5 years now and its non existent .

Based on what exactly? Some two second clips the media goes to?



No Ive been watching him not get better for 5 years . Ive watched the Bears get rid of a multitude of players and coaches based on the belief its not Cutler its them . Once he signed that contract the team was essentially given to him and considering he has no accountability since hes been here what did they expect ?

This team is leaderless and its obvious and it has nothing to do with the media . Thats just an excuse people use to defend Cutler . There is such a distinct and obvious disconnect between Cutler and the Bears and teams fans its crazy . All you have to do is watch any other NFL team and you can see it . There is no sense of ownership to any of this mess from the highest paid player on the team and it never has been. Its the reason for Marshalls rant .

After Marshalls rant about the same mistakes opponents had this to say

"After watching film all week we saw he was looking where he threw the ball," Jones said. "He was always looking at his receivers and never looking off. I tried to take advantage of that and it paid off."


2014 and the same things they were saying in 2009 they are saying now . This doesn't excuse the rest of the team but why is so hard to call a spade a spade ?
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Re: Oh...Cowboys at Bears 

Post#31 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Sun Dec 7, 2014 5:58 pm

That was the hottest of hot takes. You didn't even address these supposed leadership flaws but talked about his talent. You wanna talk talent lets talk talent.

Jay is mainly a QB where you take the good with the bad. He can win and lose you games. And since Emery has been here there hasn't been any better QB available in FA, trade, or draft other than Peyton Manning.

Sure you could cast him aside but you'd be taking s downgrade until you could find yourself in a better spot with a high draft pick.


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