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Re: Bears vs Niners game Thread 

Post#61 » by RedBulls23 » Thu Dec 7, 2017 4:59 am

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I expect a better post from a mod...

I'm a Pace fan. I don't think you can blame him for Kevin White's injuries.

Freemen, McPhee, Danny T, Demps and the rest of the older players getting hurt, that's partly Pace's fault. Part of the deal with signing older players on short term deals. You're mostly picking through the scrap heap.

But this has been a long enough issue that it's an organizational problem. Pace needs to right that but I'm honestly not sure who's desk that falls under, the FO or the coaching staff.

Sorry, even mods get frustrated.

I see this organization and FO comparable to the Bulls right now, but actually worse.

At least the Bulls have found ways to be successful.

The real organization problem seems to be is that they hire the wrong guys to do the job. We have guys like ted Phillips and George Mccaskey that don't know anything about football making these decisions

Simply blaming injuries as to why this team has struggled is a copout.

In that end saying that Pace hasn't done a good job so far isn't a overreaction, but I've stated already that guys like Pace and Fox are just the symptoms of a bigger problem.

I just don't see anyone with a straight face can tell me how this team is trending up since Pace took over.


I mean, I think it's not just injuries. I think that the starting point for Pace was so freaking low and devoid of talent and the culture of the org was terrible.

Pace has made two major blunders IMO, Jeffery and Gould. Gould was playing poorly for us but he should have had a longer leash in this town than that and Jeffery, I don't know what happened.

But to say this is worse than what the Bulls are currently doing...I mean, I have no words for that my friend. The Bears made a fresh path in 2015 when they hired Pace. I personally think he's done a good job of adding in young talent and his free agency motive was clearly to not tie the hands of the org by overspending when there was no core to build upon. That makes sense, no?

Honestly, I haven't felt this good about the young talent on the team since when Urlacher, Briggs, Alex Brown, Mike Brown and Tillman came aboard. Jordan Howard has real, legit stats and his effort against Pittsburgh when his shoulder was messed up and he willed us to that victory, I dunno man I really like him. That's the sort of stuff I'm looking at when I said I think this thing is pointing upwards because when Pace came in, there was nothing salavagable. We couldn't squeeze anything more out of Forte. Jay's time was up here. The defense was embarrassing with nothing to build around besides Fuller. Marshall was a cancer. Bennett was a cancer.

That whole thing needed to go. It's gone now, they're going to get rid of Fox and we have to see what Pace can muster to develop his man Trubisky. Outside of holding onto the ball too long, Trubisky has shown some flashes and not that many bad habits for me to be a believer.

The last thing I want to see is us go down the Browns path and change FO/coaches every 2-3 years. That's the stuff that really messes with the long term culture of an org. Ours is bad enough as it is, no need to bring in a new FO that may not be all in on Mitch and decide to go in a different direction. The Pace/Mitch road is the road we're on, I hope Pace can find WR talent as well as he's been able to find RB talent because that's what we desperately need right now.

When I'm comparing them to the Bulls, im talking about the organization in itself too, and what they have done in the past 5 years or so. Bulls have done better, but both are bad.

I'm not saying that Pace needs to be fired with Fox. I'm saying that Pace needs to do better. He's not been good. He's been average at best.

This off season he has to hire a great coach and have a great draft. 5 ofdseasons and 4 drafts, and the excuses wear thin if the Bears still look like a bottom 5 team next year.

All GMs find young talent. Angelo found young talent. It's about the end product on the field and having a comparative team or showing that the arrow is pointing upwards. That is something Pace has not done. I can excuse the first 2 years, but this season and beyond, no.

As Thibs would say, Ryan Pace needs to do his job.
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Re: Bears vs Niners game Thread 

Post#62 » by Susan » Thu Dec 7, 2017 4:47 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:
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RedBulls23 wrote:Sorry, even mods get frustrated.

I see this organization and FO comparable to the Bulls right now, but actually worse.

At least the Bulls have found ways to be successful.

The real organization problem seems to be is that they hire the wrong guys to do the job. We have guys like ted Phillips and George Mccaskey that don't know anything about football making these decisions

Simply blaming injuries as to why this team has struggled is a copout.

In that end saying that Pace hasn't done a good job so far isn't a overreaction, but I've stated already that guys like Pace and Fox are just the symptoms of a bigger problem.

I just don't see anyone with a straight face can tell me how this team is trending up since Pace took over.


I mean, I think it's not just injuries. I think that the starting point for Pace was so freaking low and devoid of talent and the culture of the org was terrible.

Pace has made two major blunders IMO, Jeffery and Gould. Gould was playing poorly for us but he should have had a longer leash in this town than that and Jeffery, I don't know what happened.

But to say this is worse than what the Bulls are currently doing...I mean, I have no words for that my friend. The Bears made a fresh path in 2015 when they hired Pace. I personally think he's done a good job of adding in young talent and his free agency motive was clearly to not tie the hands of the org by overspending when there was no core to build upon. That makes sense, no?

Honestly, I haven't felt this good about the young talent on the team since when Urlacher, Briggs, Alex Brown, Mike Brown and Tillman came aboard. Jordan Howard has real, legit stats and his effort against Pittsburgh when his shoulder was messed up and he willed us to that victory, I dunno man I really like him. That's the sort of stuff I'm looking at when I said I think this thing is pointing upwards because when Pace came in, there was nothing salavagable. We couldn't squeeze anything more out of Forte. Jay's time was up here. The defense was embarrassing with nothing to build around besides Fuller. Marshall was a cancer. Bennett was a cancer.

That whole thing needed to go. It's gone now, they're going to get rid of Fox and we have to see what Pace can muster to develop his man Trubisky. Outside of holding onto the ball too long, Trubisky has shown some flashes and not that many bad habits for me to be a believer.

The last thing I want to see is us go down the Browns path and change FO/coaches every 2-3 years. That's the stuff that really messes with the long term culture of an org. Ours is bad enough as it is, no need to bring in a new FO that may not be all in on Mitch and decide to go in a different direction. The Pace/Mitch road is the road we're on, I hope Pace can find WR talent as well as he's been able to find RB talent because that's what we desperately need right now.

When I'm comparing them to the Bulls, im talking about the organization in itself too, and what they have done in the past 5 years or so. Bulls have done better, but both are bad.

I'm not saying that Pace needs to be fired with Fox. I'm saying that Pace needs to do better. He's not been good. He's been average at best.

This off season he has to hire a great coach and have a great draft. 5 ofdseasons and 4 drafts, and the excuses wear thin if the Bears still look like a bottom 5 team next year.

All GMs find young talent. Angelo found young talent. It's about the end product on the field and having a comparative team or showing that the arrow is pointing upwards. That is something Pace has not done. I can excuse the first 2 years, but this season and beyond, no.

As Thibs would say, Ryan Pace needs to do his job.


I mean, I have no idea how you can compare the directions of the orgs like that. The Bulls in 2014 were led by Thibs and playing hard and winning games while developing Jimmy into an All Star, the Bears in 2014 were getting embarrassed and a complete dumpster fire. They are leading the Bulls straight into the dumpster.

People are celebrating the Bulls tank right now but this **** is going to get old when you start to see how bad a losing culture can take over a franchise.

But I agree, Pace needs to have another big offseason. I've been a fan of what he's been building but he needs to have a clear vision on what he's doing this offseason to set this thing up for a long while. Strike big in FA, hit correctly on the HC, get good assistants in here and draft well.

I think it's clear that bolstering the edge rushers, adding another good MLB, adding a few starting WRs and adding another corner is on the docket. We'll have enough resources to achieve all that and then some.
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Re: Bears vs Niners game Thread 

Post#63 » by RedBulls23 » Thu Dec 7, 2017 5:03 pm

The direction and standing of the organizations is quite simple. They both suck, but the Bulls have faired better overall in team building. Definitely in recent years.

Bears have a losing culture right now. They are losers.
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Re: Bears vs Niners game Thread 

Post#64 » by fleet » Thu Dec 7, 2017 6:19 pm

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RedBulls23 wrote:Anyone that thinks this team is trending upwards is kidding themselves.

They likely will win 1 more game this season, and that's to the lowly Browns. Though even that isn't a guaruntee.

This Bears team is as good as its record indicates. The fluke wins against the Panthers and Steelers are going to come back and haunt them in draft position though.


The Bears' SRS is 19th out of 32 teams right now.

I'm not saying that we don't need more talent or to keep Fox around, but I think we're playing at a significantly higher level than we were last season. In terms of overall talent, this team is getting there.

Well I'm looking around from time to time with a very surface glance and I generally dont notice teams with less talent than the Bears. How many years will we be making this argument of slow progress against the backdrop of a sub .500 record? I hope not more than 1 more.
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Re: Bears vs Niners game Thread 

Post#65 » by Susan » Thu Dec 7, 2017 11:20 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:The direction and standing of the organizations is quite simple. They both suck, but the Bulls have faired better overall in team building. Definitely in recent years.

Bears have a losing culture right now. They are losers.


In my view, the Bears are clawing out of the losing culture while the Bulls are diving head first into it.
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Re: Bears vs Niners game Thread 

Post#66 » by Axxo » Fri Dec 8, 2017 1:34 am

fleet wrote:
Susan wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:Anyone that thinks this team is trending upwards is kidding themselves.

They likely will win 1 more game this season, and that's to the lowly Browns. Though even that isn't a guaruntee.

This Bears team is as good as its record indicates. The fluke wins against the Panthers and Steelers are going to come back and haunt them in draft position though.


The Bears' SRS is 19th out of 32 teams right now.

I'm not saying that we don't need more talent or to keep Fox around, but I think we're playing at a significantly higher level than we were last season. In terms of overall talent, this team is getting there.

Well I'm looking around from time to time with a very surface glance and I generally dont notice teams with less talent than the Bears. How many years will we be making this argument of slow progress against the backdrop of a sub .500 record? I hope not more than 1 more.

Hopefully Pace stops drafting project players with the higher picks. Turn around might be quicker.

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