Yankees v. Tigers Game 4

[34Celtic]

Abreu is a joke in RF tonight.

He's always a joke...my least favorite Yankee ever

palanco? him and his big **** head.. what a **** joke this is....

Polanco is a helluva ball player, he's better than Cano right now.


Sean Henn sucks, really really sucks

Mussina is washed up, its really sad, right before our eyes

Can we lay off Clemens? The guy has pitched well for us this year. Hes still a competitor and at worse a 3 starter for a World Series Champion (even though its not us)

[Pharmcat]

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OK, I saw a guy in there built like joba, I was flipping through the channels... thanks..

prolly bruney

[TKF]

well the angels are up 3-0, if we can stay 2 games back and win this series vs the sox we will be in good shape...

[TKF]

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Polanco is a helluva ball player, he's better than Cano right now.


Sean Henn sucks, really really sucks

Mussina is washed up, its really sad, right before our eyes

Can we lay off Clemens? The guy has pitched well for us this year. Hes still a competitor and at worse a 3 starter for a World Series Champion (even though its not us)

palanco is not better than cano....

[cmaff051]

Mussina is washed up, its really sad, right before our eyes

He looked like a beaten man in the post game interview. Like he had no idea what to do. He had no answers. He's never had 3 starts this bad in a row in his career ever.

[Chach]

If you guys are counting on Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy leading your rotation next year (well, I assume Wang will lead the rotation), I see the Yankees future crumbling to pieces by August of next year. Not that they won't pitch well, I'm sure they all will, but injuries have held back the workload of Hughes and Joba and if they are going to be pitching at a full workload, those guys careers may be shortened considerably because I wouldn't trust Joe with those arms and having only pitch 120 or so innings all year. Kennedy, if he starts the year at AAA and is limited in the short term, could finish the year without a considerable jump in innings but Joba and Hughes, if they get a full workload (which is natural being on the ML roster), they are going to see a tremendous jump in innings and I really worry about their long term health (which is legit because I like both guys a lot). mahalo
~Chach~

[cmaff051]

If you guys are counting on Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy leading your rotation next year (well, I assume Wang will lead the rotation), I see the Yankees future crumbling to pieces by August of next year. Not that they won't pitch well, I'm sure they all will, but injuries have held back the workload of Hughes and Joba and if they are going to be pitching at a full workload, those guys careers may be shortened considerably because I wouldn't trust Joe with those arms and having only pitch 120 or so innings all year. Kennedy, if he starts the year at AAA and is limited in the short term, could finish the year without a considerable jump in innings but Joba and Hughes, if they get a full workload (which is natural being on the ML roster), they are going to see a tremendous jump in innings and I really worry about their long term health (which is legit because I like both guys a lot). mahalo
~Chach~

I agree. These kids have never dealt with 200 inning workloads, or even 175 inning workloads. There will be growing pains.

[Chach]

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I agree. These kids have never dealt with 200 inning workloads, or even 175 inning workloads. There will be growing pains.

Pain is the key word. Even if Hughes and Joba head to winter ball (Hughes isn't eligible for the AFL but Joba should still be), they still will get up to around 140 innings TOPS. If they stay healthy, a 60 inning jump is just an absolutely disgusting mishandling of talent. It would honestly be for their own self interest to get hurt with something minor (like a hamstring) and spend a month on the DL to keep their innings down and let them lose for 200 innings in 2009. The Sox are in the same boat with Buchholz but they can do the Lester treatment by sending him to Pawtucket to start the year in an effort to cap his innings. Unfortunately for Hughes and Joba, they are going to be expected to lead that rotation because they are so talented and I really do fear for their future health because of that. mahalo
~Chach~

[HCYanks]

Cashman's been meticulous with workload management, particularly this year, so i'm not expecting him to suddenly let Torre/Torre's successor let Hughes and Chamberlain throw for 200 innings next year. It's going to lead to Igawa or a mediocre FA signing or someone else getting starts, unforunately, but i'm willing to accept it. On the other hand, i'm skeptical about Mussina ever coming back from the aged pitcher abyss.

[Chach]

I sure hope so because it sounds like a lot of people are looking at these guys to be major players on the team next season so I hope there is a way to balance that with protecting their careers. mahalo
~Chach~

[Pharmcat]

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He looked like a beaten man in the post game interview. Like he had no idea what to do. He had no answers. He's never had 3 starts this bad in a row in his career ever.

best thing to do for him is to retire first thing in the morning

[nykgeneralmanager]

The Yankees can do some things with Hughes to get him ready for a major league workload next year, such as winter ball. As for Joba, I can't see his limit being more than 150 next year. He would reach that limit in August if he was let loose for the whole season. Maybe he spends April/some of May in AAA to limit him to 5 innings a start, if that would even do the trick. Kennedy should be okay also.

[DakkaFromNyc]

This is the end of the line for has-been Mussina. It's time to get him out of the rotation.

BTW, 7-0 now.

I just hope the Yankees realize that.. and do sumthin be4 it totally gives us no shot at da playoffs

[DakkaFromNyc]

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he could be injured, he could be done. but he needs to be on the dl.

I hope its really a injury that is makin him pitch like this , but i doubt it

[DakkaFromNyc]

mussina is struggling because he's old. what's henn's excuse? he was never good in the first place.

Mussina Mussina, *shakes head* What 2 do wit this guy man, want him 2 start but startin only makes matter worse.

Sean henn needs 2 go, no questions ask

[DakkaFromNyc]

Clemens, Mussina, Henn, Villone hopefully will not be on the team next season.

Disagree on Clemens. Stop hatin

If Mussina can show us he has sumthin i wont be mad 2 c him start next season but this season, its a no currently

[DakkaFromNyc]

So who takes his spot now? It seems like they are hesitant to bring up Kennedy but what other options do they have? Igawa and Karstens have both been terrible as well.

Same shizz i wanna no who starts for him or do they give him another shot which i think he has enough shots and shouldnt start but mayb come out of the bullpen

[DakkaFromNyc]

It's going to lead to Igawa or a mediocre FA signing or someone else getting starts, unforunately, but i'm willing to accept it. On the other hand, i'm skeptical about Mussina ever coming back from the aged pitcher abyss.

I agree wit u, they will be patient wit da young pitchers and give Igawa and mayb another pitcher a shot be4

[DakkaFromNyc]

OK, so this game is over, we will be 8 games out, and seattle is playing the angels, the AL east race is over, time to think wild card,

We lost and the lead in the AL East is 8 GAMES!!!, that sucks blah blah... time 2 get over and try 2 get what we can be4 its 2 late, i think the Yankees should just worry bout the easist way 2 make the playoffs and that is wild card.

The way the Red Sox have been playin compare 2 Seattle i hate 2 say it but best way 2 go now should be the the wild card.

The wild card still puts us in the playoffs and if makin the playoffs by wild card, y not?? y not just aim for that and make the playoffs like that..??

After what this team went thru this season, makin da playoffs anyway possible should be looked at and not aim at da AL East only this year

[34Celtic]

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I agree. These kids have never dealt with 200 inning workloads, or even 175 inning workloads. There will be growing pains.

I dont get why we baby them. I mean I get it, But its not like these kids have never thrown 200 innings. Think about it. 7 IP per start in 10 HS starts per season =70 IP. 7 IP in 10 Legion starts per season = 70 IP. 7 IP in 10 Fall Ball starts per season=70 IP. Thats 210 IP right there and thats when these kids are in high school.

Of course thats just going by what I've seen growing up playing baseball. Maybe these kids were babied in high school like they have been in the Yankees system

palanco is not better than cano....

If he isn't, he's pretty damn close. Earlier in the thread he was made out to be a little booger...the dude is a legit baseball player.