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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#41 » by Axxo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:24 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:If they didn't get those two fluke wins against the Steelers and the Panthers, they could have had the 3rd pick.

Oh well. LB/pass rusher or oline (tackle) might be the right pick at 8.

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Post#42 » by Axxo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:25 pm

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City of Trees wrote:Ridley is very polished but the Bears would be foolish to draft him or any other WR at #8. The value just isnt there. OL/ DE/ and Edge positions are tiers above WR at #8. Hell even MLB has more value.

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I agree. This is why FA is the most likely route to add weapons. We shouldn't reach on a WR in a weak receiving class. Ridley at 8 doesn't seem warranted.

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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#43 » by Axxo » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:50 pm

Best talent mabe left at the 8th pick Minkah Fitzpatrick DB or Derwin James DB
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#44 » by RedBulls23 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:30 am

Wonder if the Bills would be interested in trading both their 1sts for the 8th pick?

Guess it would depend on a QB being on the board that they are interested in.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#45 » by Axxo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:06 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:Wonder if the Bills would be interested in trading both their 1sts for the 8th pick?

Guess it would depend on a QB being on the board that they are interested in.

No telling how many QBs would go at this point, but if Bradley Chubb or the aforementioned Safteys fall to 8 the Bears would have to be crazy to pass them up by trading back to 21 and 22.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#46 » by RedBulls23 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:09 pm

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RedBulls23 wrote:Wonder if the Bills would be interested in trading both their 1sts for the 8th pick?

Guess it would depend on a QB being on the board that they are interested in.

No telling how many QBs would go at this point, but if Bradley Chubb or the aforementioned Safteys fall to 8 the Bears would have to be crazy to pass them up by trading back to 21 and 22.

That's a fair point
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#47 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:51 pm

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RedBulls23 wrote:Wonder if the Bills would be interested in trading both their 1sts for the 8th pick?

Guess it would depend on a QB being on the board that they are interested in.

No telling how many QBs would go at this point, but if Bradley Chubb or the aforementioned Safteys fall to 8 the Bears would have to be crazy to pass them up by trading back to 21 and 22.



Its Chubbs or trade down but this all depends on what happens with Fuller via free agency a full 6 weeks before the draft. If we can lock fuller up I think we extend Prince on a bargain long term deal and then are looking at the trade down .
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#48 » by Axxo » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:21 pm

chitownsports4ever wrote:
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RedBulls23 wrote:Wonder if the Bills would be interested in trading both their 1sts for the 8th pick?

Guess it would depend on a QB being on the board that they are interested in.

No telling how many QBs would go at this point, but if Bradley Chubb or the aforementioned Safteys fall to 8 the Bears would have to be crazy to pass them up by trading back to 21 and 22.



Its Chubbs or trade down but this all depends on what happens with Fuller via free agency a full 6 weeks before the draft. If we can lock fuller up I think we extend Prince on a bargain long term deal and then are looking at the trade down .

According to Hub Arkush, Fitzpatrick can play anywhere in the 2ndary. Nice toy for Fange and great value at 8 plus another Saftey and a Corner is a need. You can supply both spots with talent and not over pay for a mediocre guy or someone with questionable commitment.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#49 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:19 pm

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Axxo wrote:No telling how many QBs would go at this point, but if Bradley Chubb or the aforementioned Safteys fall to 8 the Bears would have to be crazy to pass them up by trading back to 21 and 22.



Its Chubbs or trade down but this all depends on what happens with Fuller via free agency a full 6 weeks before the draft. If we can lock fuller up I think we extend Prince on a bargain long term deal and then are looking at the trade down .

According to Hub Arkush, Fitzpatrick can play anywhere in the 2ndary. Nice toy for Fange and great value at 8 plus another Saftey and a Corner is a need. You can supply both spots with talent and not over pay for a mediocre guy or someone with questionable commitment.


the problem is that we have already committed too many draft resources to the secondary as is under Pace . It would be a sexy pick but considering the free agent market and since it comes before the draft you have to use that cap space on filling out that secondary

Pass rusher , Oline, and wr should be the priority coming out of the draft with DB,WR,and Oline being the priority in free agency.

I say this because the bears need at least 2 pass rushers out of this draft so if we could somehow get Chubbs in the first and one of those Clemson linebackers in the second or even 3rd I would ecstatic .
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#50 » by Axxo » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:30 pm

chitownsports4ever wrote:
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Its Chubbs or trade down but this all depends on what happens with Fuller via free agency a full 6 weeks before the draft. If we can lock fuller up I think we extend Prince on a bargain long term deal and then are looking at the trade down .

According to Hub Arkush, Fitzpatrick can play anywhere in the 2ndary. Nice toy for Fange and great value at 8 plus another Saftey and a Corner is a need. You can supply both spots with talent and not over pay for a mediocre guy or someone with questionable commitment.


the problem is that we have already committed too many draft resources to the secondary as is under Pace . It would be a sexy pick but considering the free agent market and since it comes before the draft you have to use that cap space on filling out that secondary

Pass rusher , Oline, and wr should be the priority coming out of the draft with DB,WR,and Oline being the priority in free agency.

I say this because the bears need at least 2 pass rushers out of this draft so if we could somehow get Chubbs in the first and one of those Clemson linebackers in the second or even 3rd I would ecstatic .


Agree on need for edge rushers, and understand the Oline i.e. RT, OG and of course the elusive WR. Bears also need a TE. Personally I wouldn't look for a rookie WR unless it was a great value pick (great player drops in draft due to overvaluing of other positions etc). Bears do not need another guy who doesn't know how to run routes. The conventional wisdom is take the best talent available. Even more so with Fitzpatrick since the Bears do need to fill DB.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#51 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:02 pm

Axxo wrote:
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Axxo wrote:According to Hub Arkush, Fitzpatrick can play anywhere in the 2ndary. Nice toy for Fange and great value at 8 plus another Saftey and a Corner is a need. You can supply both spots with talent and not over pay for a mediocre guy or someone with questionable commitment.


the problem is that we have already committed too many draft resources to the secondary as is under Pace . It would be a sexy pick but considering the free agent market and since it comes before the draft you have to use that cap space on filling out that secondary

Pass rusher , Oline, and wr should be the priority coming out of the draft with DB,WR,and Oline being the priority in free agency.

I say this because the bears need at least 2 pass rushers out of this draft so if we could somehow get Chubbs in the first and one of those Clemson linebackers in the second or even 3rd I would ecstatic .


Agree on need for edge rushers, and understand the Oline i.e. RT, OG and of course the elusive WR. Bears also need a TE. Personally I wouldn't look for a rookie WR unless it was a great value pick (great player drops in draft due to overvaluing of other positions etc). Bears do not need another guy who doesn't know how to run routes. The conventional wisdom is take the best talent available. If the need is there at 8 and is the best talent available take him, if its just the best talent take him anyway. You can always shuffle the deck somewhere else. Make the improvements wherever you can. For example we already have Jordan Howard. If Sequon Barkley fell to the 8th pick the Bears would be nuts to pass him up just b/c they don't have a need there. You take that guy. Even more so with Fitzpatrick since the Bears do need to fill DB.


If Barkley fell to 8th the Bears would be trading someone by the end of the 1st rd .

You have to look at the overall picture and decide where to spend the assets . You have Johnson and Butler available via free agency as well as our own DB free agents but there are no pass rushers available in free agency so you cant go into free agency and pass on all those Dbs to use your only real means of getting a pass rusher on a DB in the draft .

The Bears can buy top shelf Dbs this year but they cant buy a pass rush and Fitzpatrick would certainly fill a need but we can fill that need elsewhere. Free agency comes so far in advance of the draft would really pass on those guys in hopes that Fitzpatric falls to you and then still need a pass rush ?

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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#52 » by Axxo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:09 am

chitownsports4ever wrote:
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the problem is that we have already committed too many draft resources to the secondary as is under Pace . It would be a sexy pick but considering the free agent market and since it comes before the draft you have to use that cap space on filling out that secondary

Pass rusher , Oline, and wr should be the priority coming out of the draft with DB,WR,and Oline being the priority in free agency.

I say this because the bears need at least 2 pass rushers out of this draft so if we could somehow get Chubbs in the first and one of those Clemson linebackers in the second or even 3rd I would ecstatic .


Agree on need for edge rushers, and understand the Oline i.e. RT, OG and of course the elusive WR. Bears also need a TE. Personally I wouldn't look for a rookie WR unless it was a great value pick (great player drops in draft due to overvaluing of other positions etc). Bears do not need another guy who doesn't know how to run routes. The conventional wisdom is take the best talent available. If the need is there at 8 and is the best talent available take him, if its just the best talent take him anyway. You can always shuffle the deck somewhere else. Make the improvements wherever you can. For example we already have Jordan Howard. If Sequon Barkley fell to the 8th pick the Bears would be nuts to pass him up just b/c they don't have a need there. You take that guy. Even more so with Fitzpatrick since the Bears do need to fill DB.


If Barkley fell to 8th the Bears would be trading someone by the end of the 1st rd .

You have to look at the overall picture and decide where to spend the assets . You have Johnson and Butler available via free agency as well as our own DB free agents but there are no pass rushers available in free agency so you cant go into free agency and pass on all those Dbs to use your only real means of getting a pass rusher on a DB in the draft .

The Bears can buy top shelf Dbs this year but they cant buy a pass rush and Fitzpatrick would certainly fill a need but we can fill that need elsewhere. Free agency comes so far in advance of the draft would really pass on those guys in hopes that Fitzpatric falls to you and then still need a pass rush ?

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No you definitely would try to fill needs in FA. However, filling needs in the draft over taking talent is how Aaron Rodgers fell to where he was eventually drafted. How many teams probably regret passing on him in hindsight? Dont get me wrong we do need rushers.

Edit: PS Derwin James could also still be there if the other goes.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#53 » by CjayC » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:29 am

Wtch out for Marcus Davenport , edge from UTSA. Small school guy, but a lot like Khalil Mack the tape is him consistently dominating, and he's still raw from a technical aspect. He's creeping into Top 15 discussion, might be Top 10 with a good Senior Bowl and combine.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#54 » by karch34 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:40 am

RedBulls23 wrote:
Axxo wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:Wonder if the Bills would be interested in trading both their 1sts for the 8th pick?

Guess it would depend on a QB being on the board that they are interested in.

No telling how many QBs would go at this point, but if Bradley Chubb or the aforementioned Safteys fall to 8 the Bears would have to be crazy to pass them up by trading back to 21 and 22.

That's a fair point


I can see a trade down, but I don't see where we would go that far down unless we got another pick (3rd?) to be honest. I could see us going to the teens and grabbing a DB like Jackson, but as already mentioned DB is easier in FA than pass rusher.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#55 » by Axxo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:15 pm

CjayC wrote:Wtch out for Marcus Davenport , edge from UTSA. Small school guy, but a lot like Khalil Mack the tape is him consistently dominating, and he's still raw from a technical aspect. He's creeping into Top 15 discussion, might be Top 10 with a good Senior Bowl and combine.

Building on your comment there seems to be rushers that can be had later on where they could still go for a talented value pick in the 1st.
For example Shaquem Griffin was not invited to the combine. He might end up going late in the draft.
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#56 » by heir_jordan22 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:58 am

Unless Chubb falls to us, I'm leaning toward Connor Williams in round 1. Having a premier LT is almost as important as having a franchise QB
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#57 » by patryk7754 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:35 pm

No way Chubb drops. Josh Allen might drop to us so we could trade down to the mid-teens with a team and take Josh Jackson
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#58 » by Truebiscuit » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:38 pm

We need a pass rusher... badly.

Chubb (likely won't be there)
Edmunds (loving this kid)
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#59 » by patryk7754 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:01 pm

Alex smith has been traded to the chiefs. The first domino has fallen
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Re: 2018 Draft thread 

Post#60 » by patryk7754 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:19 pm

If the bears want to trade down I think the Cardinals would the best partner, assuming they want to move up for a QB. The issue that comes up is that the Cardinals are the best suitors for Cousins.

Cousins, Fitzgarald, and Johnson would compete with the Steelers trio

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