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Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:41 am
by emperorjones
Nice insight from the Daily Herald.

Bears’ Tice evaluates his front five

BOURBONNAIS — Offensive line coach Mike Tice’s starting five are set in stone — but only for Saturday’s preseason opener.
It reads, from left tackle to right tackle, J’Marcus Webb, Chris Williams, Roberto Garza, Lance Louis and Gabe Carimi.

But Garza has played just one game at center in his 11-year NFL career, so he’s obviously more comfortable at his familiar right-guard position.
Also, the Bears didn’t sign center Chris Spencer to a two-year deal for $6 million, including a $2 million signing bonus, so he could sit on the bench.
“We’ll get through that first game, and we’ll evaluate that and see if we need to split some reps with Roberto and (Chris) Spencer,” Tice said.
“But the way things are going and how they’re improving every day and all the good things I’ve seen, I’m not really in the sense that I need to change anything right now.”
Regardless of the configuration, Tice is more optimistic about his troops than he was a year ago, when he spent half of the regular season piecing together the jigsaw puzzle that was the O-line.
“I think we’re light years ahead of where we were last year,” he said. “We’re definitely more physical and bigger, and I’m pleased.
“I think we’re running the football better right now than we did at any point in camp or preseason last year.”
The Bears are just 10 days into training camp, but Tice has seen enough to offer up an early scouting report on what is, for now, the starting five.

LT J’Marcus Webb
“I think they’re both doing well, and they’re both getting better,” Tice said of Webb, who started at right tackle as a rookie last year, and this year’s first-round pick, Carimi. “They’re both going to be really good players.
“J’Marcus is to me a better athlete, and you want your better athlete on the left side.”
The 6-foot-7, 333-pound Webb started 24 games at left tackle in his two years at West Texas A&M, so the move to the left side was a logical switch for him.

LG Chris Williams
Williams (6-6, 320) was drafted as the left tackle of the future in the first round in 2008, but he has a better chance inside, where he started 11 games last season with mixed results.
“Chris is getting better,” Tice said. “We had all this time (to evaluate) in the off-season, so we pointed some things out for Chris to work on, (like) anchoring with his base and trying to keep his feet in the ground more.
“Sometimes great athletes — and he’s a great athlete for a big man — tend to be up on their toes because they are athletic. I’m trying to get him to play with more heels in the ground.
“If we could do that, that’s going to help him anchor, that’s going to help him in pass protection. He’s working diligently at it.”

C Roberto Garza
The 6-2, 310-pound Garza started all but two games for the Bears over the previous five seasons. He has started 116 NFL games but just one at center, and that was as a rookie in 2001.
“There’s some anxiety there for Roberto,” Tice said. “He’s only started one game at center in his career. At first I don’t know that he was totally embracing it, but he’s such a team player that he’s going to do what we ask him to do.”
Tice said Garza has developed a quick chemistry with quarterback Jay Cutler on the center exchange, but “he doesn’t have the same awareness and those type of things, obviously, that an Olin Kreutz had. But he’s a veteran guy, he’s been around a long time, and he knows football.”

RG Lance Louis
The 2009 seventh-round pick started the first four games at right guard but wasn’t able to play through minor injuries.
But Tice said the 6-3, 320-pounder is a better player this year.
“He’s bigger and more physical,” Tice said. “He’s had some experience, he’s played in some games, and he has more confidence. He’s communicating better; he’s opening his mouth.
“He’s such an elite pass protector. He was an elite pass protector last year, but he’s doing better in the run game. He can run. He’s definitely ahead of where he was last year.
“Last year I anointed him the right guard because I looked at him and I was like, ‘This could really help us,’ but then he got a couple nicks and bruises and didn’t play through it because of (lack of) maturity.
“This year he’s come in with a different determination and a different maturity, and we’re real pleased with where Lance is at right now.”

RT Gabe Carimi
“Gabe is obviously a better run blocker (than pass blocker),” Tice said. “Gabe came into the league an elite run blocker — that’s all they do at Wisconsin, right? — and so he’s an elite run blocker already.”
Carimi agrees with Tice’s assessment, but he’s confident he will become a complete player soon.
“Yeah, that’s definitely accurate,” the 6-7, 316-pound rookie said. “I’m a pretty good run blocker. That was my forte.
“Now all I have to do is keep on working on my pass protection and I’ll get there, where I’ll be an elite pass pro guy, too.”

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:51 pm
by transplant
To me, most of the pressure is on Webb. There aren't many 7th round picks who are successful at LT, particularly in only their 2nd season. If he's not solid, they don't really have an alternative.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:18 pm
by Cliff Levingston
Nice to see but Cliff Levingston will read between the lines a bit.

Webb
All he says is that's he's getting better and that he's a good athlete, nothing about him performing well or doing one or two things well, nor anything about him having the potential to be great or even good.

Williams
"Getting better." He gets up on his toes too much and Tice said "if we can get him back on his heels more, his base will be better." Nothing about him actually succeeding at that quite yet. For now, Cliff Levingston can only believe that Williams is going to continue to get bowled over.

Garza
Basically, it's been said that he's clearly not Kreutz from a familiarity and leadership perspective. We know what Garza can do though and that's be a solid guy.

Louis
Probably the most hope coming through for him as Tice has nothing but good things to say about him while also noting that he's already an elite pass protector. True or not, it's something that he can hang his hat on. So, in addition to that, he's more mature, more experienced, communicating better. Sounds good; maybe Louis will keep that spot this year.

Carimi
Like Louis as a "an elite pass protector", it's nice to see Tice call him an elite run blocker already, something for him to hang his hat on. That's what you want from your right tackle first and foremost so that's good to see. Considering his reputation and his draft position, Carimi should be one of the guys we can count on.

If Tice's evaluations hold true, it looks like the right side of the line could be strong point while the left side is the questionable side. Cliff Levingston is hoping that Spencer makes an impact on Friday night and fights his way into the starting lineup since, at this point, there seems to be only one position up for grabs: Chris Williams' LG spot. They could play Spencer there or slide Garza back over to LG and put Spencer at his natural C spot.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:49 pm
by Cliff Levingston
Here's something else from national football post, an independent source confirming the improved play of the offensive line in camp thus far. LINK

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:57 pm
by Friend_Of_Haley
Yea, I have to imagine Spencer is going to get a starting spot and it won't be at the expense of Carimi or Louis. Probably won't be Garza either. We don't want a lot of shuffling though.

Best guess now is they dress these 7:
Webb-Garza-Spencer-Louis-Carimi - Willaims-Omilaye
With Williams and Omilaye as the backups, both who have experience at G and T, so thats a good thing from a flexibility standpoint. Then Guys like E.Williams, Johan Asiata, Linnenkohl, and Davis vying for a 53 man spot and/or practice squad spot.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:29 pm
by emperorjones
Cliff Levingston wrote:Nice to see but Cliff Levingston will read between the lines a bit........
If Tice's evaluations hold true, it looks like the right side of the line could be strong point while the left side is the questionable side. Cliff Levingston is hoping that Spencer makes an impact on Friday night and fights his way into the starting lineup since, at this point, there seems to be only one position up for grabs: Chris Williams' LG spot. They could play Spencer there or slide Garza back over to LG and put Spencer at his natural C spot.


I agree with your analysis. To me Williams is most under the gun with Tice. Don't know if you recall but Tice made that same comment about him playing on his toes last year during camp. It has got to be very frustrating for Tice to have a guy go an entire year and still make such a fundamental mistake. I am glad we have Spencer because I think he will slide in at LG this year before the start of the season and then move over to Center next year.

As for Webb, he's moving back to his natural position (LT) and has a full year under his belt. I expect him to be solid at LT, I only wonder how he will do against the smaller edge rushers and those Outside LB's in the 3-4. I thought he did well in the last game against the monster that is Clay Matthews, although he had TE help - but in this offense, getting TE help is not a bad thing. Its normal.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:01 pm
by Cliff Levingston
emperorjones wrote:I thought he did well in the last game against the monster that is Clay Matthews, although he had TE help - but in this offense, getting TE help is not a bad thing. Its normal.

That's one aspect that's overlooked in how bad our protection was last year. The tight end is expected to help block edge rushes and pick up blitzes. Olsen was never a good blocker and Manumaleuna was terrible. Getting Spaeth, Davis and Clark in there hopefully will make a difference, being able to put one of those guys on the outside and helping on a Clay Matthews or picking up a blitzing safety.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:43 pm
by kyrv
transplant wrote:To me, most of the pressure is on Webb. There aren't many 7th round picks who are successful at LT, particularly in only their 2nd season. If he's not solid, they don't really have an alternative.


Who would be listed as the backup LT even? Would it be Williams? Maybe Carimi?

Given the shortened time and I'm just a silly fan but I would get Spencer in there now to get reps, leave the right side as is as others said, so really have a battle for LT which as transplant said would likely be Webb by default.

On the other hand it will be good to have two centers with actual real practice, so that's a bonus.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:18 pm
by ChronicKerr
kyrv wrote:Who would be listed as the backup LT even? Would it be Williams? Maybe Carimi?


Omiyale is the backup LT. He started there the majority of last year. Should be a decent swing tackle in a pinch. I'm at least happy knowing we have a 7 man rotation at OL. Last year it was chaos where we had UDFA's competing for spots and moved everyone around well into the season. While we didn't add too many pieces, I think that the continuity Tice is trying to build by claiming the starting 5 this early should pay off. Spencer will most likely get PT eventually unless Williams does a 180 and is actually good this year. I'm fairly certain the tackle spots are set in stone at this point with Webb, Carimi, and Omiyale. The inside is what worries me the most.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:49 pm
by Darth Celtic
Webb-I like what i've seen for him. As a 7th round pick he's a steal. WIll he be all pro, never. But i can live with him overthere as he's big enough to at least run block well.

C. Williams-only reason he's even in starting lineup is because he was a high draft pick. He failed badly at tackle, cant pass block at all. So we move him inside where we can cover up some of the pass blocking, or at least forget how bad he is at pass blocking by showing how bad he is at run blocking.....IF spencer picks up offense fast enough, i'd rather see williams as a back up then louis.

Garza-pro of the group, should play guard, might be less effective at center. Spencer might not get the offense in 3.5 weeks.

Louis-I too love his size, and reports of his Nastiness, but i havent seen it yet. He's short and stout with a low center of gravity. Perfect guard body, will he "learn" the guard spot? Not sure, last year he was way over his head.

Carimi-Already looks better then williams ever did and he's practiced 2 weeks. He'll have some growing pains, i have a feeling the packers will eat this kid up in the passing game without major help, but he should improve our run game from day 1.

Re: Mike Tice scouting report on the O-Line

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:18 pm
by Chewie
At the moment, I find myself more worried about J'Marcus Webb more than anyone else after Game 1 of the preseason. He was pretty much handed that job and I think there's a reason we threw $32 million at Willie Colon. We can't be THAT comfortable with the line if we're offering up that kind of money to free agents.