Why we should trade Forte

CalilLove89 · Post #1 » by **CalilLove89** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:57 pm

If we pick up a receiver in the first like many of us believe, we will have completely transformed the offense.

No longer will we have to run screens for forte constantly, we should also not have to check down to him nearly as much. We will use him as an actual running back, instead of our number one receiver.

I know other people must notice how Forte cannot go out and get you that one yard when you need it most. Before he got hurt he was first in the league for being tackled for losses.

Forte's value is over inflated in my eyes, I think the bears should cash in while the price is high. If we trade him for defense I think we would be a better team.

Ps. I LOVE how things are going, I cannot wait to see a bears team with a potent offense.

jl342323 · Post #2 » by **jl342323** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:26 pm

CalilLove89 wrote:If we pick up a receiver in the first like many of us believe, we will have completely transformed the offense.

No longer will we have to run screens for forte constantly, we should also not have to check down to him nearly as much. We will use him as an actual running back, instead of our number one receiver.

I know other people must notice how Forte cannot go out and get you that one yard when you need it most. Before he got hurt he was first in the league for being tackled for losses.

Forte's value is over inflated in my eyes, I think the bears should cash in while the price is high. If we trade him for defense I think we would be a better team.

Ps. I LOVE how things are going, I cannot wait to see a bears team with a potent offense.

im getting tired of bears complaining about their contract situation.

did ray rice cry about the franchise tag? did arian foster complain with one year left on the contract? those two will get paid big time eventually and they have not been public about their complaints to the FO.

why is forte tweeting ****? it wont help his contract situation. i wont be sad to see him go. hes a system player. he benefited the most from this offense, b/c the oline is pretty good at blocking on screens for forte and we didnt have any options on wr front.

Midway Bully · Post #3 » by **Midway Bully** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:38 pm

CalilLove89 wrote:If we pick up a receiver in the first like many of us believe, we will have completely transformed the offense.

No longer will we have to run screens for forte constantly, we should also not have to check down to him nearly as much. We will use him as an actual running back, instead of our number one receiver.

I know other people must notice how Forte cannot go out and get you that one yard when you need it most. Before he got hurt he was first in the league for being tackled for losses.

Forte's value is over inflated in my eyes, I think the bears should cash in while the price is high. If we trade him for defense I think we would be a better team.

Ps. I LOVE how things are going, I cannot wait to see a bears team with a potent offense.

For what it's worth, Forte has always been a guy with exceptional vision, so his yardage loss can be chalked up to that, and to the fact that even in run blocking situations, our O-Line was still lacking. That vision also allows Forte to pull of those big runs he's been pulling off the past 2 years, and why he's so good in space. A Forte/Bush combo is a dream combo, you can absolutely run teams into the ground with that combo.

The market value for RBs is crap right now, and Forte is coming off an injury. I don't think he'll find a better deal than what the Bears are giving him. He'll man up and play, and he'd better be a damn good soldier about it too.

Midway Bully · Post #4 » by **Midway Bully** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:56 pm

However, if the Dolphins are interested, I'm all ears...

jl342323 · Post #5 » by **jl342323** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:01 pm

Midway Bully wrote:However, if the Dolphins are interested, I'm all ears...

jake long for matt forte. do it lol

Post #6 » by **alucryts** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:22 pm

jl342323 wrote:
Midway Bully wrote:However, if the Dolphins are interested, I'm all ears...

jake long for matt forte. do it lol

We're out of third round picks, they won't be interested :lol:

jl342323 · Post #7 » by **jl342323** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:29 pm

alucryts wrote:
jl342323 wrote:
Midway Bully wrote:However, if the Dolphins are interested, I'm all ears...

jake long for matt forte. do it lol

We're out of third round picks, they won't be interested

i believe da bears have a 3rd round pick left. the 3rd they traded was obtained from greg olsen trade

ChicagoStrong · Post #8 » by **ChicagoStrong** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:24 pm

If he is traded, who is his replacement?

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #9 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:27 pm

ChicagoStrong wrote:If he is traded, who is his replacement?

We rushed the ball successfully last season, regardless of who lined up in the backfield. Mike Tice had our O-Line opening up huge holes for our RBs. Forte, Bell, & Barber were all running well last season.

To answer your question, I would be cool with Bell & Bush handling the load at RB.

Chewie · Post #10 » by **Chewie** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:30 pm

ChicagoStrong wrote:If he is traded, who is his replacement?

We've got options....

- I suggested in the FA thread calling up the Panthers and seeing the price for Jonathan Stewart who, when healthy, is at least as good as Forte. Panthers are now 4 deep at RB with the signing of Tolbert and many are predicting they'll look to deal Stewart prior to draft day for a pick.

orrr.........

- Draft one and let Bush, Bell, and the pick fight it out for playing time.

heir_jordan22 · Post #11 » by **heir_jordan22** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:43 pm

We wouldn't get much for a RB. And I think the OP is undervaluing Forte. We did not have a very good line. They were decent in run-blocking, but they consistently let people swarm the backfield, leading to copious amounts of sacks and tackles for loss. Forte is an elite RB. He should've gotten paid last year and now I think he's just upset with how long this is taking and all the other RBs being brought in.

Since he's been with the Bears Kevin Jones, Chester Taylor, Marion Barber and now Michael Bush have all been brought in for good money. Forte has been the star of this offense since his first game and is one of the lowest paid players on the roster.

Post #12 » by **alucryts** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:50 pm

heir_jordan22 wrote:We wouldn't get much for a RB. And I think the OP is undervaluing Forte. We did not have a very good line. They were decent in run-blocking, but they consistently let people swarm the backfield, leading to copious amounts of sacks and tackles for loss. Forte is an elite RB. He should've gotten paid last year and now I think he's just upset with how long this is taking and all the other RBs being brought in.

Since he's been with the Bears Kevin Jones, Chester Taylor, Marion Barber and now Michael Bush have all been brought in for good money. Forte has been the star of this offense since his first game and is one of the lowest paid players on the roster.

I don't think anyone is objecting to paying him good money; Forte seems to want gooder money on longer years is what the problem is.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #13 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:54 pm

alucryts wrote:
heir_jordan22 wrote:We wouldn't get much for a RB. And I think the OP is undervaluing Forte. We did not have a very good line. They were decent in run-blocking, but they consistently let people swarm the backfield, leading to copious amounts of sacks and tackles for loss. Forte is an elite RB. He should've gotten paid last year and now I think he's just upset with how long this is taking and all the other RBs being brought in.

Since he's been with the Bears Kevin Jones, Chester Taylor, Marion Barber and now Michael Bush have all been brought in for good money. Forte has been the star of this offense since his first game and is one of the lowest paid players on the roster.

I don't think anyone is objecting to paying him good money; Forte seems to want gooder money on longer years is what the problem is.

....And if he had elite, break-away speed to go along with his other good qualities, I would pay him BIG money. His lack of elite speed minimizes his worth, IMHO.

heir_jordan22 · Post #14 » by **heir_jordan22** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:01 pm

Didn't Deangelo Williams get more than $14M guaranteed when he signed. Forte is much better than him IMO. And the report was that the Bears only made him one offer. So they didn't really negotiate, they played hardball. Forte played the season and played like a boss. They follow up by signing another Rb.

Forte has every right to be pissed off right now.

Unfortunately I think Forte and the Bears will not reach a contract and he will be gone after this season. A trade will not happen though just because RBs don't have good trade value.

Post #15 » by **alucryts** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:24 pm

I'd rather build up our wr core and offensive line so that we get great production out of any competent back without paying great running back money. The money Forte wants would be much better suited for the lines as they affect every part of their side of the ball.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #16 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:25 pm

I don't think that it's wise to invest a big-money, long-term contract into ANY RB. A team is better off investing the big money into QB, WR, & one OT on the Offensive side of the ball. The league has evolved into a pass-first league.

EDIT: The following post was being submitted seconds before my post:

alucryts wrote:I'd rather build up our wr core and offensive line so that we get great production out of any competent back without paying great running back money. The money Forte wants would be much better suited for the lines as they affect every part of their side of the ball.

I see that we're on the same page.

Chewie · Post #17 » by **Chewie** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:49 pm

heir_jordan22 wrote:Didn't Deangelo Williams get more than $14M guaranteed when he signed. Forte is much better than him IMO. And the report was that the Bears only made him one offer. So they didn't really negotiate, they played hardball. Forte played the season and played like a boss. They follow up by signing another Rb.

Forte has every right to be pissed off right now.

Unfortunately I think Forte and the Bears will not reach a contract and he will be gone after this season. A trade will not happen though just because RBs don't have good trade value.

DeAngelo was vastly overpaid so I'm not sure why the Bears should have to pay the price for the Panther's foolishness.

Is signing Bush protection against a Forte holdout? Sure. But good teams also have at least 3 decent RBs anyway. What would we have if Forte went down again? Bell and......??? I don't get this "lack of respect" thing in the least. It's not like Bush is #1 stud running back material. He's depth. DEPTH.

And I do believe we can turn around next year and franchise Forte again next year again. So if you don't like it, Matt, you can negotiate a long term deal that's to everyone's liking OR demand a trade OR sign the franchise tender have a banner year and do it all over again next offseason.

CalilLove89 · Post #18 » by **CalilLove89** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:54 pm

I just don't see forte as an elite RB, he was force fed the ball out of necessity.

He made his living off of screens and check downs. If this offseason is any indication we are moving in a different direction, it's not that I think he is a bad player, it's more so that we can spend the money in other places.

Bush is a legit back.. I would not be scared with him and a backup going to war.

If you doubt this, ask yourself this. Will forte be 60 percent of our offense again this year? I doubt it.

blumeany · Post #19 » by **blumeany** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:59 pm

I like Forte, but if he's going to be a whiny bitch and not allow the Bears to franchise him, then I don't have any qualms about trading him. Make Bush our starter and either get a high 1st rounder, a quality WR, or a quality lineman for Forte.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #20 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:22 pm

CalilLove89 wrote:I just don't see forte as an elite RB, he was force fed the ball out of necessity.

He made his living off of screens and check downs. If this offseason is any indication we are moving in a different direction, it's not that I think he is a bad player, it's more so that we can spend the money in other places.

Bush is a legit back.. I would not be scared with him and a backup going to war.

If you doubt this, ask yourself this. Will forte be 60 percent of our offense again this year? I doubt it.

Good observation & Good post.