Rams-Bears PG - D-Line brings it

Post #1 » by **emperorjones** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:26 pm

D-Line Definitely brought the wood. Cutler not so much

Post #2 » by **CBS7** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:30 pm

Defense in general is playing really well. D-Line, Secondary, LBs, run stopping, pass rush, pass defense, whatever.

Offense was mediocre all around. OL, Cutler, dropped passes by WRs, Bush was okay but nothing special.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #3 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:31 pm

Great game by the ENTIRE Defense: Line, LBs, & DBs.

Bad game by Cutler, the WR group, & the O-Line.

One of these days, we are gonna witness the Defense & Offense clicking at the same time. It seems that it has only been one or the other for the last 10+ seasons.

sopclod · Post #4 » by **sopclod** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:35 pm

There were stretches, especially in the third quarter, where the Bears threw an awful lot. Somebody mentioned in the game thread that maybe they are being cautious with Michael Bush but I would have liked to see more running with the lead.

Post #5 » by **fleet** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:20 pm

well, most things went well enough. Passing game needs more work considering the alleged talent. I'm assuming the O-line limits what they can do. And the Bears wasted a red zone opportunity by playing Hester for some unknown Bearsesque reasoning. The way this team annually tries to force feed the Hester experiment down our throats is very annoying. The Bears are still a defense oriented team, and we should have known.

Air Poohdini · Post #6 » by **Air Poohdini** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:36 pm

The offense really needs to figure out the problem and fix it, no more excuses.

WhatsLosinLike · Post #7 » by **WhatsLosinLike** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:51 pm

Offense has the tools to be explosive but have been subpar thus far. O-line not looking good and Jay Cutler has been playing mediocre. Offense as a whole has to step up.

heir_jordan22 · Post #8 » by **heir_jordan22** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:54 pm

The defense was great.

Marshall has been looking terrible. Pick came on him dropping the ball, dropped the ball again later and that was almost picked off, plus he dropped the TD last week.

I thought Cutler played well considering his #1 receiver played poorly and Hester let a TD go straight through his hands.

Cutler really only threw two bad passes all game. The one he threw toward Kellen Davis early in the game and when he missed Bennett. The Bennett miss didn't impact the game at all though because he hit Davis with a strike for a first down on the next play.

heir_jordan22 · Post #9 » by **heir_jordan22** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:59 pm

fleet wrote:well, most things went well enough. Passing game needs more work considering the alleged talent. I'm assuming the O-line limits what they can do. And the Bears wasted a red zone opportunity by playing Hester for some unknown Bearsesque reasoning. The way this team annually tries to force feed the Hester experiment down our throats is very annoying. The Bears are still a defense oriented team, and we should have known.

The strangest thing about it is Jeffery was dominating on that possession. Then you take him out when he has an opportunity to display his strength, redzone/endzone receiving and replace him with a gadget guy. Quite strange.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #10 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:11 am

heir_jordan22 wrote:
fleet wrote:well, most things went well enough. Passing game needs more work considering the alleged talent. I'm assuming the O-line limits what they can do. And the Bears wasted a red zone opportunity by playing Hester for some unknown Bearsesque reasoning. The way this team annually tries to force feed the Hester experiment down our throats is very annoying. The Bears are still a defense oriented team, and we should have known.

The strangest thing about it is Jeffery was dominating on that possession. Then you take him out when he has an opportunity to display his strength, redzone/endzone receiving and replace him with a gadget guy. Quite strange.

Exactly. Hester put on an awesome move, but there was no reason for him to back up & jump. Like John Lynch said on TV, he could have simply continued to run.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #11 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:12 am

WhatsLosinLike wrote:Offense has the tools to be explosive but have been subpar thus far. O-line not looking good and Jay Cutler has been playing mediocre. Offense as a whole has to step up.

I still believe that the Offense will begin clicking at mid-season, barring injuries.

JDRochholz · Post #12 » by **JDRochholz** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:57 am

very disappointing showing of the offense. The D really stepped up though.

"They are who we thought they were!"

Post #13 » by **RedBulls23** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:07 am

fleet wrote:well, most things went well enough. Passing game needs more work considering the alleged talent. I'm assuming the O-line limits what they can do. And the Bears wasted a red zone opportunity by playing Hester for some unknown Bearsesque reasoning. The way this team annually tries to force feed the Hester experiment down our throats is very annoying. The Bears are still a defense oriented team, and we should have known.

I was so annoyed by that play when Hester botched it. You need a touchdown in that situation and you have 3 other guys that are better slated and they go to Hester??? Then you had the CSN Bears post game crew blaming that on Cutler. How about Hester not stop on the route or how about we go to Alshon or Marshall who would have brought that pass down?

Susan · Post #14 » by **Susan** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:38 am

The offense won't really matter if the defense plays at this level all season long. Bradford had no time in the pocket and on countless third downs, our line got to him instantly.

This defensive line is super deep and talented. Jennings is a flat out stud. I have no idea what's happened to him but the man has been our best player thus far.

MAQ · Post #15 » by **MAQ** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:27 am

The defense continues to prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot to be honest. They're playing well beyond my expectations. Not enough can be said about them but I'll keep it real short on that front.

All along I figured it would take a while for the offense to get on the same page. It makes sense. It's their first season together. First season under Tice as the OC. New QB coach..2 new mainstays at WR. The o-line wasn't revamped and for 2 seasons in a row previously, it's taken them at least 5-7 weeks to really put it together, so why would this year be any different?

It obviously was going to take time for the offense to start clicking. They've played 3 meaningful games together. They've spent 8 weeks trying to get accustomed to each other at all, while other teams such as the Packers, Cowboys, Lions, heck, even the 9ers and Vikings have all had at least 1 year with each other. Yet somehow, with all of the new toys, we've managed as both fans and media to push such an obvious fact way into the almost non-existent part of our brains. To the part where it becomes a shock when such an obvious outcome actually happens.

Not trying to excuse what the offense has shown so far, but at the same time, it's not very shocking that this is what has taken place so far. I do expect things to get a lot better as time goes on.

The positives to take away from the offense today, IMO, is the fact that Tice is willing to deek and dunk. We had a lot of short passes. Lots of stuff across the middle of HB screens. It worked well for us, IMO. I only got to watch part of our TD drive and most of the 4th quarter, but that is mostly what I saw. It looked good. A much needed change from last week where those things were needed way more.

The negative I took away was the fact that Tice and the team doesn't seem to do much adjusting in game. Granted the game plan (seemed to be) worked, but we had set up the short stuff long enough in order to get something deep. We did playaction to start the game in both week 1 and 2, as well as running it at least 3 more times in the 1st half...I didn't see it at all in any of the brief amount of time I was watching the game. I hope that Tice learns to play off of what he has set the defense up to think he's going to do. So far he hasn't done that at all this season.

SportsWorld · Post #16 » by **SportsWorld** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:52 am

As much as everyone hated on Mike Martz, he made an average offense look pretty good for stretches. So far Mike Tice's offense looks horrid and there's better weapons on this team than in previous years. Can someone tell me why we had Devin Hester as a wide-out in the red zone when we have Brandon Marshall AND Alshon Jeffery on this team? I am not impressed with Tice's playcalling at all.

Post #17 » by **fleet** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:37 am

at least there were a few shorter pass attempts underneath, and even some calls for screens. Instead of Jay constantly forcing and chucking deep into coverage (usually to Marshall). It didn't amount to much yet, but I appreciated the idea. While Cutler didn't play great, he appeared to have a less aggressive (hardheaded) mentality. Once he learns or agrees to check down more, we'll be in business. The rub is, maybe the reason Jay plays like he has only one guy going out, is that he has no faith in his line to give him time for all his progressions. Usually plays kind of resentful and impatient.

bearadonisdna · Post #18 » by **bearadonisdna** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:47 pm

Air Poohdini wrote:The offense really needs to figure out the problem and fix it, no more excuses.

The problem is instantaneous pressure in the passing game. Point blank.
Jay was bleeding and getting destroyed on even routine completions.

bearadonisdna · Post #19 » by **bearadonisdna** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:58 pm

Not to scare anyone, but now we are looking at a Jamarcus Webb vs Demarcus Ware matchup.

kozelkid · Post #20 » by **kozelkid** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:04 pm

Susan wrote:The offense won't really matter if the defense plays at this level all season long. Bradford had no time in the pocket and on countless third downs, our line got to him instantly.

This defensive line is super deep and talented. Jennings is a flat out stud. I have no idea what's happened to him but the man has been our best player thus far.

He's actually been VERY good for the past 2 years. As someone who reads PFF religiously, they've had him calculated as the 15 best corner in the league for the past 2 consecutive years. His biggest problem was his stone hands, but he has been a stud against the run and has seemed to be constantly getting his hands on the ball.

This offseason, he has reportedly been practicing catching the football, and it obviously shows with now 4 INTs and it has catapulted him at the moment as the number one CB with a rating of +9.3. For comparisons sake, the second best rated CB (Finnegan) is +7.2 and Tillman is 6th with +4.5.