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Lovie has run always ran one of the best defenses in the league and people still call for him to be fired. On the other hand Mike Tice was a horrible O-line coach somehow he got promoted and now he is a horrible Offensive Coordinator. I've never seen a play caller so unable to adjust.

Just look at the last game versus GB Mike Tice calls for 4 big passes to Alshon Jeffrey I can understand the first 2 because the first offensive pass interference call was not something anyone expected to be called again. But after the second call you should think the ref isn't going to call anything on the packers secondary. What does Mike Tice do? He calls the same play again. Same result. So Mike Tice decides how about I tell Alshon not to touch the GB player at all. Really? Is that how an offensive coordinator should call plays? He already knew Alshon had a disadvantage that any contact initiated by him would called against the Bears. So why would you put your receiver in a position where the odds were already against him?

Mike Tice is the worst play caller I've ever seen.

Agreed.

People's biggest issue with Lovie is that he goes conservative far too often and that often ends up killing us. But he's still a great defensive mind. He's not an amazing coach, but he's good enough.

Don't like Tice though. The offensive play calling is horrid at times, and often slow, forcing us to burn timeouts.

Very much so. Tice is an awful playcaller, and we wasted plenty of timeouts today waiting for plays to come in from the sidelines. It has been that way all season. Who would we bring in as OC though?

I don't know, Lovie has never had an offense ranked higher than 15 his entire tenure here. If we don't make the playoffs this year (which it doesn't look like we will), that's only 1 playoff appearance in the last 6 years.

Last years debacle after starting 7-3 can be attributed to Cutler going down. But this year to start off 7-1 and STILL miss the playoffs, that should pretty much seal his fate.

Lovie is a good defensive mind, but he has the worst end half/prevent defensive scheme that I have seen in recent years.

CBS7 wrote:Agreed.

People's biggest issue with Lovie is that he goes conservative far too often and that often ends up killing us. But he's still a great defensive mind. He's not an amazing coach, but he's good enough.

Don't like Tice though. The offensive play calling is horrid at times, and often slow, forcing us to burn timeouts.

The play calling is ALWAYS slow with Tice. We burn multiple timeouts per game because of it.

The only problem I have with Lovie is that at the end of halves it seems like the other team always scores. He lets teams drive down the field with the conservative D.

If the Bears keep Lovie and fire Tice, that will be mean Lovie will have fired 4 different OCs in 9 years. How many times will Lovie be allowed to pass the buck? As a head coach, you're responsible for both sides of the ball.

Another thing: I wouldn't go so far as to say Lovie is great defensive mind either. Lovie's team and coaches will tell you themselves: they outscheme nobody. They just run a very sound system, a system which is not Lovie's creation. I think Lovie is a good defensive coordinator who knows how to run his system, and a great motivator and leader. I don't think he's good at making adjustments, developing players, clock management, and of course offensively he brings zilch to the table.

babblin-on wrote:If the Bears keep Lovie and fire Tice, that will be mean Lovie will have fired 4 different OCs in 9 years. How many times will Lovie be allowed to pass the buck? As a head coach, you're responsible for both sides of the ball.

You make a good point, but I kinda disagree a little. I believe that Lovie was powerless within the organization until he made it to the Superbowl. I say that to say I believe Jerry Angelo forced some of the staff on Lovie, including some of the offensive coordinators.

I believe Lovie was given complete control of his Defensive staff after he made it to the SB, which led to the Rivera being fired. Rivera was obviously an Angelo pick.

I think that Lovie's first actual Offensive coordinator hire was Mike Martz, which was a disaster.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:

babblin-on wrote:If the Bears keep Lovie and fire Tice, that will be mean Lovie will have fired 4 different OCs in 9 years. How many times will Lovie be allowed to pass the buck? As a head coach, you're responsible for both sides of the ball.

You make a good point, but I kinda disagree a little. I believe that Lovie was powerless within the organization until he made it to the Superbowl. I say that to say I believe Jerry Angelo forced some of the staff on Lovie, including some of the offensive coordinators.

I believe Lovie was given complete control of his Defensive staff after he made it to the SB, which led to the Rivera being fired. Rivera was obviously an Angelo pick.

I think that Lovie's first actual Offensive coordinator hire was Mike Martz, which was a disaster.

That's true, Shea and Turner may have been Angelo guys.

Outside of Marinelli, and I guess Tice when he was just OL coach, pretty much all of Lovie's changes to the coaching staff have been disasters though. Replacing Rivera with Babich, Babich for himself, Martz, Tice as OC. Lovie's had almost as many coordinator changes as years on the job. And the fact that Rivera is the only guy on that list to get the same job or higher in the league afterwards is telling.

When Lovie has had input on personnel, the results have also been disastrous. Having Jerry get his guy Adam Archuleta and trade Chris Harris, the multiple years insisting that Hester was a #1 receiver, his endorsement of Kellen Davis as capable of being a top TE last offseason.

babblin-on wrote:

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:

babblin-on wrote:If the Bears keep Lovie and fire Tice, that will be mean Lovie will have fired 4 different OCs in 9 years. How many times will Lovie be allowed to pass the buck? As a head coach, you're responsible for both sides of the ball.

You make a good point, but I kinda disagree a little. I believe that Lovie was powerless within the organization until he made it to the Superbowl. I say that to say I believe Jerry Angelo forced some of the staff on Lovie, including some of the offensive coordinators.

I believe Lovie was given complete control of his Defensive staff after he made it to the SB, which led to the Rivera being fired. Rivera was obviously an Angelo pick.

I think that Lovie's first actual Offensive coordinator hire was Mike Martz, which was a disaster.

That's true, Shea and Turner may have been Angelo guys.

Outside of Marinelli, and I guess Tice when he was just OL coach, pretty much all of Lovie's changes to the coaching staff have been disasters though. Replacing Rivera with Babich, Babich for himself, Martz, Tice as OC. Lovie's had almost as many coordinator changes as years on the job. And the fact that Rivera is the only guy on that list to get the same job or higher in the league afterwards is telling.

When Lovie has had input on personnel, the results have also been disastrous. Having Jerry get his guy Adam Archuleta and trade Chris Harris, the multiple years insisting that Hester was a #1 receiver, his endorsement of Kellen Davis as capable of being a top TE last offseason.

I agree.

No... This would be a bs move.

Im not trying to defend Tice but lets remember here that hes a first time playcaller . Why give him the job if were not willing to allow him room to learn on the job ? How much did not having any versatility as far as TEs affect that playcalling ?

An off season of being able to go through every snap and look at every playcall and learn from that experiences can only help.

Cutler is a bootleg QB we knew that when we traded for him . How do you have a bootleg QB and not have a decent pass catching TE ?

It will be interesting to see what Emery does Im inclined to believe that he will factor in all of these things and more before changing anything.

chitownsports4ever wrote:Im not trying to defend Tice but lets remember here that hes a first time playcaller . Why give him the job if were not willing to allow him room to learn on the job ? How much did not having any versatility as far as TEs affect that playcalling ?

An off season of being able to go through every snap and look at every playcall and learn from that experiences can only help.

Cutler is a bootleg QB we knew that when we traded for him . How do you have a bootleg QB and not have a decent pass catching TE ?

It will be interesting to see what Emery does Im inclined to believe that he will factor in all of these things and more before changing anything.

Okay, so he obviously had problems with no TE or OLine skills, but why do we waste multiple timeouts per game because the playcall comes in too late? That has nothing to do with what players we have on the field, but the communication from the playcaller. Either way, he had enough talent to do more than what he did. He needs to be fired.

Jake0890 wrote:

chitownsports4ever wrote:Im not trying to defend Tice but lets remember here that hes a first time playcaller . Why give him the job if were not willing to allow him room to learn on the job ? How much did not having any versatility as far as TEs affect that playcalling ?

An off season of being able to go through every snap and look at every playcall and learn from that experiences can only help.

Cutler is a bootleg QB we knew that when we traded for him . How do you have a bootleg QB and not have a decent pass catching TE ?

It will be interesting to see what Emery does Im inclined to believe that he will factor in all of these things and more before changing anything.

Okay, so he obviously had problems with no TE or OLine skills, but why do we waste multiple timeouts per game because the playcall comes in too late? That has nothing to do with what players we have on the field, but the communication from the playcaller. Either way, he had enough talent to do more than what he did. He needs to be fired.

because you are learning on the job and trying to figure out how all the moving pieces fit precisely at that moment .

Think of it this way its Mike Tice's first year in the offense not only does he have to learn playcalling situations he has to learn how to read defensive formations and make adjustments all the while dealing with an incomplete offense personnel wise .

Normally in this situation the first time playcaller would be able to lean on the 29 yr old veteran QB but look at Cutlers maturity in the situation . How much no huddle did you see us run ? The play might not come in fast enough but when you consider that a bad play leads to a tantrum by your veteran qb you are kinda stuck between a rock .....and a rock

Not sure what Tice's contract status is, but I doubt Lovie gets paid to not coach this team next year. Emery needs to be the end all of player talent evaluation. These coaches either can't develop talent, or recognize talent. We all know Jerry Angelo sucked at talent evaluation. That's what has really hamstrung this team is a decade of bad drafting, poor free agent spending, and just not making the players we have on offense any better. I don't expect all of these issues to be solved in this offseason, but I expect this staff gets one last shot at it, with an influx of new players to work with, and if they fail, they all get shown the door. Then Emery can bring in a coach that fits what he wants to do, with a better talent base, without wasting money. Then again, they could fire Tice and hire Norv Turner or Ken Wisenhunt after they get fired. I'd be ok with that.

VoiceofReason wrote:Not sure what Tice's contract status is, but I doubt Lovie gets paid to not coach this team next year. Emery needs to be the end all of player talent evaluation. These coaches either can't develop talent, or recognize talent. We all know Jerry Angelo sucked at talent evaluation. That's what has really hamstrung this team is a decade of bad drafting, poor free agent spending, and just not making the players we have on offense any better. I don't expect all of these issues to be solved in this offseason, but I expect this staff gets one last shot at it, with an influx of new players to work with, and if they fail, they all get shown the door. Then Emery can bring in a coach that fits what he wants to do, with a better talent base, without wasting money. Then again, they could fire Tice and hire Norv Turner or Ken Wisenhunt after they get fired. I'd be ok with that.

People, if we do not extend Lovie, then we cannot fire any coordinator.

NO COORDINATOR will commit to a lame duck coach, there is no job stability there, it wont happen, unless you want a horrible coordinator.

There are many reasons why NFL coaches do not usually enter the final year of their deal, and this is one of them. He will either be extended or fired.

Tony Dungy. Virginia's type. Should be able to work with current defensive players and can theoretically work to surround Cutler and provide that security blanket. And would fit the defense like a glove. The Bears dont need any more coordinators coming in.
Unfortunately he wouldnt want to usher out his pal Lovie. So....I dont know.

I would like a proven guy on offense like Shanahan was otherwise. However, we are dealing with Virginia McCaskey so I dont hold out much hope. I pray that PE can talk some sense into these people.

Please let that be the move, fleet.

Generally not a fan of these fire the coach just to fire them especially after a winning (albeit doomed) season. I loved our defense for the most part, but was always bummed by our offense despite technically having all these solid parts.

Emery better have a feel for what he's looking for otherwise were returning to everything from 1996-2004.

Lovie was so loyal to Drake.
And now its Drake who is still employed. Not Lovie.

Loyalty doesnt pay in this league. Its about wins and losses.