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Jared Allen is apparently upset about the "cheap shot" against Kevin Williams, which the league declared a legal hit:

"I have a problem with when we talk about player safety in this league and we have a clear case of a guy intentionally trying to hurt a guy"

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000100395/Lance-Louis-injured-on-Jared-Allen-block

55 seconds in.

Hope you blow out your ACL, buddy.

? He threw a Legal block. It was high but that's any everyday play, Louis shouldn't have eased up. The same hit happened to me in practice one day. luckily I wasn't hurt but just because it was a hard hit and someone got injured doesn't make it a dirty play. But to wish injury on someone especially one that serious is just stupid

He made himself a missile. Launching yourself is a dirty play, period.

I never saw how the injury happened. I don't see how Louis could've injured his knee on that play. His foot didn't get stuck in the turf or anything, leg didn't look like it twisted. Really weird.

The Allen hit didn't seem all that dirty IMO. What happened to Kevin Williams the other night, that was dirty. Just disgusting.

heir_jordan22 wrote:I never saw how the injury happened. I don't see how Louis could've injured his knee on that play. His foot didn't get stuck in the turf or anything, leg didn't look like it twisted. Really weird.

It's cuz he was planting right as Allen hit him. He goes to put all of his weight on his leg, next thing he knows he's being bowled over. Knee pops.

You guys are aware that Jared Allen was fined 21k for that hit right? It was dirty.

BR0D1E86 wrote:You guys are aware that Jared Allen was fined 21k for that hit right? It was dirty.

Bostic was fined 21k for his hit...Meh

Pretty sure the only reason he was fined is because he went high...

If you show fans both plays and ask them to label one and only one play dirty I'm positive theyd pick the Williams play

BR0D1E86 wrote:He made himself a missile. Launching yourself is a dirty play, period.

I think guys can't help it sometimes to just play with instincts they were trained with.

I don't know if it is fair to label launching as dirty. Against the rules now, yes. Launching is just how the game was played for decades. A defender's job used to be to inflict maximum damage and pain and knock a guy out of the game. The 85 Bears were celebrated and celebrated knocking out the QB. They did it with brutality. The game has changed now, and it just started to change too. It didn't used to be dirty, it was just different with a different mentality, like yesterday. If you launch yourself now, you are illegal. Don't know about dirty. How about old school? Dinosaur? Soon all these guys are gonna be retrained in school to think tackle with the idea of bringing a guy down without inflicting damage. But these players were brought up with a different game than the NFL is trying to promote. It wasn't dirty, it was ferocious.

I think there's a clear difference between playing hard and physical and playing dirty. That Clowney hit vs Michigan last year, that was just an insanely physical hit. In my eyes Jared Allen made that hit with the intent to injure, without any question.

It's very hard to quantify in a rule but like Justice Potter said about pornography, I know it when I see it. I've seen guys even launch themselves where it didn't feel like it was dirty or there was conscious intent to injure. Jared Allen squared him up and launched himself into a guy's head. The ACL tear was unlucky, whether that happened or not that hit was dirty as hell.

the definition of dirty could be changing. It happens. Jordan played at a time where every trip down the lane would be labeled dirty contact by today's standards. But NBA players have had time to adjust to a new game. NFL players today are still completely unfamiliar with new rules and were totally brought up playing a different game where modern illegal hits were "clean". And Cheered. And promoted.

That particular play, I dunno. You can call it dirty if you want I suppose. That one looked to me like some payback. It was mean. And too high. And he intended to bust Louis up. That was kind of old school payback. It deserved a flag for unnecesary roughness maybe, and or the high shot rule. But you know, I guess I see it through the eyes of a guy that grew up playing with the ethic like protect yourself at all times on the football field in the era before football "evolved". Dirty is something else extra to me. Leg whipping. Going at the knees. Or Ndamukong Suh kind of stuff.

But launching in general. Not dirty IMO. Illegal. If launching was dirty football was dirty.