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Is Peppers Done? 

Post#1 » by luss54321 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:34 pm

Through 6 games he has 5 total tackles, 1 sack, and 0 pass deflections

In 2014, Peppers’ cap number grows from $17.183 million to $18.183 million. In 2015, Peppers’ cap number grows to $20.683 million.

I don't need to tell you his production doesn't match his salary. But is he really declining this fast?

Just last season Peppers had 3 games with at least 4 tackles and 1 sack

What are the Bears options here? Cut him after the season?
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Post#2 » by bearadonisdna » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:50 pm

Yeah the if the bears cut him in the offseason they will save 9 mil on his cap hit next year.
It kinda pisses me off because the defensive production fell on the way side switching bostic from preseason to willaims in the reg season. IMO the play of the whole defense was affected.

But if the bears wanted to start williams to justify the cut of peppers than watever. It cost them melton. faceplant. As we see the defense has been in shambles and has been since week 1 but many made excuses for them.

And honestly i can see why briggs probably prefers to play with Williams. Bostic is getting to the ball carrier before Briggs. Not allowing briggs to get all his tackles and briggs knows he can easily get to the ballcarrier before williams.
Bostic may be giving briggs bad memories of when urlacher was making plays and briggs not getting all the attention.
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#3 » by Cliff Levingston » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:01 pm

luss54321 wrote:I don't need to tell you his production doesn't match his salary. But is he really declining this fast?

It happens in the NFL all the time. Guys go from impact players to just guys in one offseason due to all kinds of reasons. If Julius is fighting an injury combined with less athleticism and ability to recover from injury then that might explain it. Or maybe he just doesn't care: he's been accused of loafing it before. Regardless, he was always going to be gone in the offseason. $18 mil for him? Yea, no.
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Post#4 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:29 am

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luss54321 wrote:I don't need to tell you his production doesn't match his salary. But is he really declining this fast?

It happens in the NFL all the time. Guys go from impact players to just guys in one offseason due to all kinds of reasons. If Julius is fighting an injury combined with less athleticism and ability to recover from injury then that might explain it. Or maybe he just doesn't care: he's been accused of loafing it before. Regardless, he was always going to be gone in the offseason. $18 mil for him? Yea, no.


Well we have seen the entire dline even when healthy suck to no ends. Kinda unfair to just say peppers is done when our defensive coaching could be as just as bad the dlines production on the field.
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Post#5 » by errisal » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:21 am

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luss54321 wrote:I don't need to tell you his production doesn't match his salary. But is he really declining this fast?

It happens in the NFL all the time. Guys go from impact players to just guys in one offseason due to all kinds of reasons. If Julius is fighting an injury combined with less athleticism and ability to recover from injury then that might explain it. Or maybe he just doesn't care: he's been accused of loafing it before. Regardless, he was always going to be gone in the offseason. $18 mil for him? Yea, no.


Well we have seen the entire dline even when healthy suck to no ends. Kinda unfair to just say peppers is done when our defensive coaching could be as just as bad the dlines production on the field.


It's the Lovie effect. Lovie and his staff knew what to do with these players like no other coach. Lovie stays and gets a new offensive coach to finally go with some offensive linemen and we would be discussing 6-0 and not 4-2.
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Post#6 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:25 am

errisal wrote:
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Cliff Levingston wrote:It happens in the NFL all the time. Guys go from impact players to just guys in one offseason due to all kinds of reasons. If Julius is fighting an injury combined with less athleticism and ability to recover from injury then that might explain it. Or maybe he just doesn't care: he's been accused of loafing it before. Regardless, he was always going to be gone in the offseason. $18 mil for him? Yea, no.


Well we have seen the entire dline even when healthy suck to no ends. Kinda unfair to just say peppers is done when our defensive coaching could be as just as bad the dlines production on the field.


It's the Lovie effect. Lovie and his staff knew what to do with these players like no other coach. Lovie stays and gets a new offensive coach to finally go with some offensive linemen and we would be discussing 6-0 and not 4-2.


Maybe but the offensive coordinator carousel ran its course. Just couldnt justify it anymore. I dont doubt lovies staff knew what to do defensively more than this staff but idk if that warranted him another year.
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#7 » by errisal » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:49 am

bearadonisdna wrote:
errisal wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
Well we have seen the entire dline even when healthy suck to no ends. Kinda unfair to just say peppers is done when our defensive coaching could be as just as bad the dlines production on the field.


It's the Lovie effect. Lovie and his staff knew what to do with these players like no other coach. Lovie stays and gets a new offensive coach to finally go with some offensive linemen and we would be discussing 6-0 and not 4-2.


Maybe but the offensive coordinator carousel ran its course. Just couldnt justify it anymore. I dont doubt lovies staff knew what to do defensively more than this staff but idk if that warranted him another year.


The offensive coordinator carousel only existed because Angelo refused to go out and get real offensive linemen and therefore put a short lease on whoever had the job. I seriously believe Lovie should have been given a chance with the overhauled offensive line and an offensive coordinator chosen by the GM. Fact is that not only has the defense fallen apart but so has the special teams. The even funnier part is that the offense still looks the same only with better blocking.
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#8 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:52 am

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bearadonisdna wrote:
errisal wrote:
It's the Lovie effect. Lovie and his staff knew what to do with these players like no other coach. Lovie stays and gets a new offensive coach to finally go with some offensive linemen and we would be discussing 6-0 and not 4-2.


Maybe but the offensive coordinator carousel ran its course. Just couldnt justify it anymore. I dont doubt lovies staff knew what to do defensively more than this staff but idk if that warranted him another year.


The offensive coordinator carousel only existed because Angelo refused to go out and get real offensive linemen and therefore put a short lease on whoever had the job. I seriously believe Lovie should have been given a chance with the overhauled offensive line and an offensive coordinator chosen by the GM. Fact is that not only has the defense fallen apart but so has the special teams. The even funnier part is that the offense still looks the same only with better blocking.


Not totally true. Our offense this year is almost top ten (11th). Last year was emery's first year and they hired tice as the coordinator. Either that was lovies guy or emery's it was a shot at a OC and it didnt work. I think even emey has to hold the bag on that one a little. These are years being wasted.
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Post#9 » by errisal » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:04 am

.[/quote]

The offensive coordinator carousel only existed because Angelo refused to go out and get real offensive linemen and therefore put a short lease on whoever had the job. I seriously believe Lovie should have been given a chance with the overhauled offensive line and an offensive coordinator chosen by the GM. Fact is that not only has the defense fallen apart but so has the special teams. The even funnier part is that the offense still looks the same only with better blocking.[/quote]

Not totally true. Our offense this year is almost top ten (11th). Last year was emery's first year and they hired tice as the coordinator. Either that was lovies guy or emery's it was a shot at a OC and it didnt work. I think even emey has to hold the bag on that one a little. These are years being wasted.[/quote]

The offense is ranked 11th but if you look closely it's still the same style of offense Tice tried to run. The difference being 4 new lineman who actually block and Alshon being a year removed from being a rookie. Add in Martellus over Davis and you have improvement. There is still the futile attempts to run the ball up the middle for virtually no gain in situations where you would think a pass is warranted. And then there is the bailout patterns to Marshall. I've yet to see the genius being displayed on offense. I've yet to see patterns with receivers stretching the entire field. Seems like there are still too many times where we have 4 receivers all in a 5 to 7 yard pattern. This team hasn't blown anyone out because they allow defenses to cover a small area of the field way too often. This was the problem with Tice and it still is a problem. As for who hired Tice, I believe that was on Lovie and not so much on Emery.
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#10 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:32 am

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The offensive coordinator carousel only existed because Angelo refused to go out and get real offensive linemen and therefore put a short lease on whoever had the job. I seriously believe Lovie should have been given a chance with the overhauled offensive line and an offensive coordinator chosen by the GM. Fact is that not only has the defense fallen apart but so has the special teams. The even funnier part is that the offense still looks the same only with better blocking.[/quote]

Not totally true. Our offense this year is almost top ten (11th). Last year was emery's first year and they hired tice as the coordinator. Either that was lovies guy or emery's it was a shot at a OC and it didnt work. I think even emey has to hold the bag on that one a little. These are years being wasted.[/quote]

The offense is ranked 11th but if you look closely it's still the same style of offense Tice tried to run. The difference being 4 new lineman who actually block and Alshon being a year removed from being a rookie. Add in Martellus over Davis and you have improvement. There is still the futile attempts to run the ball up the middle for virtually no gain in situations where you would think a pass is warranted. And then there is the bailout patterns to Marshall. I've yet to see the genius being displayed on offense. I've yet to see patterns with receivers stretching the entire field. Seems like there are still too many times where we have 4 receivers all in a 5 to 7 yard pattern. This team hasn't blown anyone out because they allow defenses to cover a small area of the field way too often. This was the problem with Tice and it still is a problem. As for who hired Tice, I believe that was on Lovie and not so much on Emery.[/quote]

Well if it was on Lovie that was good enough reason to dismiss him. Too many coordinators not enough results.
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#11 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:08 am

I never understood bringing peppers on the inside rush other than to cover up other players flaws. Its not doing him any good to take on more blockers when physically he can dominate one on one on the outside.
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Post#12 » by heir_jordan22 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:16 am

Emery might pull a rabbit out of the hat and trade Peppers.
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Post#13 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:48 am

heir_jordan22 wrote:Emery might pull a rabbit out of the hat and trade Peppers.

lol. Whos gonna trade for peppers? he practically boozer. :lol:
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#14 » by MalikJoakim24 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:33 am

bearadonisdna wrote:
heir_jordan22 wrote:Emery might pull a rabbit out of the hat and trade Peppers.

lol. Whos gonna trade for peppers? he practically boozer. :lol:

If anyone can do it and get us a net gain, its emery
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Post#15 » by The Explorer » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:47 am

This is what I've been saying since the off-season. Mel Tucker and Joe dcamillas are major downgrades from Lovie/ Marinelli & Dave toub. The injuries, age, and talent are problems, yes, but the coaching has not helped one bit.

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Post#16 » by MalikJoakim24 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:56 pm

The Explorer wrote:This is what I've been saying since the off-season. Mel Tucker and Joe dcamillas are major downgrades from Lovie/ Marinelli & Dave toub. The injuries, age, and talent are problems, yes, but the coaching has not helped one bit.

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ST is almost as bad as the defense these days; Toub was the GOAT STC.
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#17 » by ChicagoStrong » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:46 pm

errisal wrote:It's the Lovie effect. Lovie and his staff knew what to do with these players like no other coach. Lovie stays and gets a new offensive coach to finally go with some offensive linemen and we would be discussing 6-0 and not 4-2.


You can't be serious?

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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#18 » by Cliff Levingston » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:58 pm

The Explorer wrote:This is what I've been saying since the off-season. Mel Tucker and Joe dcamillas are major downgrades from Lovie/ Marinelli & Dave toub. The injuries, age, and talent are problems, yes, but the coaching has not helped one bit.

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Coaching has nothing to do with Peppers getting stonewalled by just about every offensive lineman put in front of him. It's not like Peppers is a rookie and not getting coached up to use his hands properly, how to set an o linemen up for a certain move, etc. The guy knows everything there is to know about playing the position and he's just not getting it done. The only part where coaching could come into play is if Peppers isn't as motivated to play for Tucker and these other guys or something like that but how could we know that for sure without hearing it directly from his mouth?

Another possibility could be that Julius sees the writing on the wall and knows he won't be back, so he's playing to not get hurt to ensure he can get another contract next offseason.
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#19 » by luss54321 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:05 am

The Bears have 8 sacks through 6 games... Kansas City has 31... What has the world come to?
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Re: Is Peppers Done? 

Post#20 » by errisal » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:42 am

luss54321 wrote:The Bears have 8 sacks through 6 games... Kansas City has 31... What has the world come to?


Your not going to get many sacks when the play calling leaves the middle of the field open and you have the worst Free Safety in the game. Peppers and Wooten need to be left alone at the outside rush position and coach up the inside guys like Paea and Minter. Bring Tommie Harris back or something. Tommie can't be any worse than what's up front right now. :(
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