General Discussion 2017-18

[RedBulls23]

Probably should continue this discussion here.
Those of us who are in the "Bears rebuild is not trending upward in comparision to other rebuilding teams" camp are not alone.
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4707250/bears-rebuild-behind-schedule-after-three-years

They all should be fired because we really have no plan and no identity after year 3

Agreed. And bring a tandem in that can work closely together and ALLOW the to do their jobs!

Honestly, what's the point if George Mccaskey and Ted Phillips are going to be the ones that do the search?

Neither of those guys know **** about football, and they continue to prove it. Yet they don't give up any decision making to actual football people.

We can complain about Pace and Fox all we want, but those two are just the symptoms of a real sickness in this organization.

[Truebiscuit]

Changing my tune a bit here... John DeFilippo should be our next head coach.

[Axxo]

They all should be fired because we really have no plan and no identity after year 3

Agreed. And bring a tandem in that can work closely together and ALLOW the to do their jobs!

Honestly, what's the point if George Mccaskey and Ted Phillips are going to be the ones that do the search?

Neither of those guys know **** about football, and they continue to prove it. Yet they don't give up any decision making to actual football people.

We can complain about Pace and Fox all we want, but those two are just the symptoms of a real sickness in this organization.

Agree on the ownership interference. Mabe we should take the same approach and apply the type of pressure New York fans did. Need people to stop making excuses for this franchise.

[Axxo]

Rodgers is back....

[Susan]

I'm in my fantasy playoffs this week and I've got the Bears D and the Lions D.

In doing my research, it looks like the Bears defense is really freaking good when Danny is in and when he's been out, they've been subpar. We're like 4-5 with Danny and 0-4 without him.

Just kind of interesting at how differently the team played without him. He clearly is the QB of the defense and really helps us make plays.

[transplant]

Honestly, what's the point if George Mccaskey and Ted Phillips are going to be the ones that do the search?

Neither of those guys know **** about football, and they continue to prove it. Yet they don't give up any decision making to actual football people.

We can complain about Pace and Fox all we want, but those two are just the symptoms of a real sickness in this organization.

IMO, too much is made about the McCaskeys and Phillips. You shouldn't expect your owner(s) to be savvy football people. Then job is to fund the operation and otherwise stay out of the way. I think George has done these things well.

Phillips watches the McCaskeys' money and they trust him. There's no substitute for trust, so he stays.

I think Pace deserves a chance to grow into the role of the Bears top football exec. He's a smart guy and a football geek. I'm OK with showing some patience with him.

[Susan]

Fox dumping Robbie for Barth cost him 4-5 games in the past year and his job.

Good for Robbie but he should have never left this city.

[Axxo]

Fox dumping Robbie for Barth cost him 4-5 games in the past year and his job.

Good for Robbie but he should have never left this city.

Uh...isn't Pace in charge of getting and dumping players? When did Fox get authority to make roster changes?

[Susan]

Fox dumping Robbie for Barth cost him 4-5 games in the past year and his job.

Good for Robbie but he should have never left this city.

Uh...isn't Pace in charge of getting and dumping players? When did Fox get authority to make roster changes?

Barth was Fox's guy.

Special Teams have been fairly awful for us since Lovie departed. Hoping the next regime can be elite in special teams again.

[Axxo]

Fox dumping Robbie for Barth cost him 4-5 games in the past year and his job.

Good for Robbie but he should have never left this city.

Uh...isn't Pace in charge of getting and dumping players? When did Fox get authority to make roster changes?

Barth was Fox's guy.

Special Teams have been fairly awful for us since Lovie departed. Hoping the next regime can be elite in special teams again.

His guy meaning he suggested to get him or made the final decision to sign him?

[Susan]

Uh...isn't Pace in charge of getting and dumping players? When did Fox get authority to make roster changes?

Barth was Fox's guy.

Special Teams have been fairly awful for us since Lovie departed. Hoping the next regime can be elite in special teams again.

His guy meaning he suggested to get him or made the final decision to sign him?

Meaning he played for him in Denver and I imagine had serious influence in bringing him here.

Pace needs blame here as well but Fox's staff has been poor in ST his entire time here.

[Axxo]

Barth was Fox's guy.

Special Teams have been fairly awful for us since Lovie departed. Hoping the next regime can be elite in special teams again.

His guy meaning he suggested to get him or made the final decision to sign him?

Meaning he played for him in Denver and I imagine had serious influence in bringing him here.

Pace needs blame here as well but Fox's staff has been poor in ST his entire time here.

I agree that fox's coaching has been below expectations. Where i disagree is the buck doesnt stop with Fox when it comes to acquiring players. That's all on Pace because those are GM duties and if he allowed Fox acquire Barth he should be walked out with Fox after the season ends.

[patryk7754]

To suggest that Pace should even be considered fired is absurd. He has been one of the top drafting GMs, has acquired a lot of good talent through FA and has done all this while dealing with the dumpster fire Emery left.

[Axxo]

To suggest that Pace should even be considered fired is absurd. He has been one of the top drafting GMs, has acquired a lot of good talent through FA and has done all this while dealing with the dumpster fire Emery left.

Disagree, and it isnt absurd. Pace has made glaring mistakes esp in free agency and hiring Fox. This rebuild is not moving fwd. Winning GMs in this league have done way better than Pace in a shorter period of time. As stated before Ram, Jags, Eagles and 49ers. See article posted earlier.

[Susan]

To suggest that Pace should even be considered fired is absurd. He has been one of the top drafting GMs, has acquired a lot of good talent through FA and has done all this while dealing with the dumpster fire Emery left.

Disagree, and it isnt absurd. Pace has made glaring mistakes esp in free agency and hiring Fox. This rebuild is not moving fwd. Winning GMs in this league have done way better than Pace in a shorter period of time. As stated before Ram, Jags, Eagles and 49ers. See article posted earlier.

The Rams were rebuilding for a decade. They had plenty of time to get high draft picks and young talent in.

The 49ers have won 4 games this year just like us. Jimmy is about to get paid and absolutely seems to be worth it. Good on them for getting him.

The Eagles never re-built. They had a somewhat down year with Chip Kelly then went with Wentz.

Glaring mistakes are mistakes that you have to deal with for years. Glennon is a mistake that cost us a few games in the season and we're out of already. When he's swung hard (Trevathan, Hicks) he's connected fairly well with his FA signings. His first year draft got ravaged by injuries but the last two drafts have been extremely good.

Also, I remember reading that the org above Pace had plenty to say with hiring Fox.

[Axxo]

To suggest that Pace should even be considered fired is absurd. He has been one of the top drafting GMs, has acquired a lot of good talent through FA and has done all this while dealing with the dumpster fire Emery left.

Disagree, and it isnt absurd. Pace has made glaring mistakes esp in free agency and hiring Fox. This rebuild is not moving fwd. Winning GMs in this league have done way better than Pace in a shorter period of time. As stated before Ram, Jags, Eagles and 49ers. See article posted earlier.

The Rams were rebuilding for a decade. They had plenty of time to get high draft picks and young talent in.

The 49ers have won 4 games this year just like us. Jimmy is about to get paid and absolutely seems to be worth it. Good on them for getting him.

The Eagles never re-built. They had a somewhat down year with Chip Kelly then went with Wentz.

Glaring mistakes are mistakes that you have to deal with for years. Glennon is a mistake that cost us a few games in the season and we're out of already. When he's swung hard (Trevathan, Hicks) he's connected fairly well with his FA signings. His first year draft got ravaged by injuries but the last two drafts have been extremely good.

Also, I remember reading that the org above Pace had plenty to say with hiring Fox.

Pace is accountable for the players obtained and hiring Fox period.

[Axxo]

Probably should continue this discussion here.
Those of us who are in the "Bears rebuild is not trending upward in comparision to other rebuilding teams" camp are not alone.
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4707250/bears-rebuild-behind-schedule-after-three-years

Bump

[Red Larrivee]

Pace has done some good things and he's done some bad things.

He's acquired a bunch of talent on the defensive end (Floyd, McPhee, Trevethan, Hicks, Goldman, Amos, Jackson) that still may have its best days ahead of them. Offensively is a different story, but he was able to get some steals in Howard, Cohen and Whitehair. Kendall Wright also looks like a decent signing. The team also has a lot of cap space again next season. So, while the team hasn't been good, you can't say that Pace has trapped the team with the current group. They've maintained flexibility year-to-year.

I'm not going to say that Pace is capable of building a SB team, but I don't think he's done a terrible job at all. He should at least be given another season.

[City of Trees]

Gould was struggling at the end of his Bears tenure. Robbie has gone on record to say his release motivated him to get better.

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[patryk7754]

Pace has made some big gambles. Most have worked out great for us. And those that haven’t, have had little consequence. Like Susan mentioned, the gambles that haven’t panned out are easily to get rid off like Glennon. The only mistake that’s biting us in the ass is White since it seems we’ve wasted a 1st rounder on him. And although Fox has been flawed when it comes to game management, he has been able to get rid of bad tendencies created by the previous regime and done a good job off developing the mentality of the players. If we still had Gase we wouldn’t be talking about how this offense doesn’t know what it’s doing.