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City of Trees wrote:Shaheen not playing says ALOT about where he is in his development.
Hicks is a beast. Unreal. Best FA signing so far by Pace and its not even close.
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Susan wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:This team needs play makers all over .
When was the last time anybody called Eddie Goldmans name ?
Shaheen was a waste considering the needs of the team ?
We maybe have 10 players to really build around at this point .
If we dont see tremendous improvement from this team by seasons end I hope Pace and Fox are removed .
Look at Travis Kelce's rookie year. Tight Ends take time.
Why the hell would you fire Pace when he's been filling the team with longterm talent.
Howard, Trubisky, Cohen, Whitehair, Floyd, Cam Meredith, Hicks and Sitton are all solid building blocks going forward. If we can find an upgrade at HC and hopefully figure out a way to stop getting everybody injured, then hell yeah let Fox go but it has to be the right hire.
chitownsports4ever wrote:Susan wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:This team needs play makers all over .
When was the last time anybody called Eddie Goldmans name ?
Shaheen was a waste considering the needs of the team ?
We maybe have 10 players to really build around at this point .
If we dont see tremendous improvement from this team by seasons end I hope Pace and Fox are removed .
Look at Travis Kelce's rookie year. Tight Ends take time.
Why the hell would you fire Pace when he's been filling the team with longterm talent.
Howard, Trubisky, Cohen, Whitehair, Floyd, Cam Meredith, Hicks and Sitton are all solid building blocks going forward. If we can find an upgrade at HC and hopefully figure out a way to stop getting everybody injured, then hell yeah let Fox go but it has to be the right hire.
4 years with free agency and the draft thats simply not enough .
Whitehair has regressed
Meredith is out injured and hadnt taken the leap yet
Sitton is 31
Floyd finally got to the qb in week 5 will he show up next game or will have to wait until week 10 .
The way things are going its simply not enough for pace or Fox to keep their jobs
5 seasons to hopefully get back to .500 NO WAY the clock should be ticking on everyone including Pace
chitownsports4ever wrote:Susan wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:This team needs play makers all over .
When was the last time anybody called Eddie Goldmans name ?
Shaheen was a waste considering the needs of the team ?
We maybe have 10 players to really build around at this point .
If we dont see tremendous improvement from this team by seasons end I hope Pace and Fox are removed .
Look at Travis Kelce's rookie year. Tight Ends take time.
Why the hell would you fire Pace when he's been filling the team with longterm talent.
Howard, Trubisky, Cohen, Whitehair, Floyd, Cam Meredith, Hicks and Sitton are all solid building blocks going forward. If we can find an upgrade at HC and hopefully figure out a way to stop getting everybody injured, then hell yeah let Fox go but it has to be the right hire.
4 years with free agency and the draft thats simply not enough .
Whitehair has regressed
Meredith is out injured and hadnt taken the leap yet
Sitton is 31
Floyd finally got to the qb in week 5 will he show up next game or will have to wait until week 10 .
The way things are going its simply not enough for pace or Fox to keep their jobs
5 seasons to hopefully get back to .500 NO WAY the clock should be ticking on everyone including Pace
RedBulls23 wrote:Here's the thing with Floyd, he had been asked to drop back in coverage quite a few times.
They need to just allow him to rush the QB, and I think he'll be fine.
I think Pace has done okay, but he certainly has his flaws. He rides or dies with Mitch though.
Overall, I think we need an upgrade at coaching more than a new GM.
Chi town wrote:City of Trees wrote:Shaheen not playing says ALOT about where he is in his development.
Hicks is a beast. Unreal. Best FA signing so far by Pace and its not even close.
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No it doesn't. Him playing behind Sims says a lot about a HORRIFIC coaching staff.
RedBulls23 wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:Susan wrote:
Look at Travis Kelce's rookie year. Tight Ends take time.
Why the hell would you fire Pace when he's been filling the team with longterm talent.
Howard, Trubisky, Cohen, Whitehair, Floyd, Cam Meredith, Hicks and Sitton are all solid building blocks going forward. If we can find an upgrade at HC and hopefully figure out a way to stop getting everybody injured, then hell yeah let Fox go but it has to be the right hire.
4 years with free agency and the draft thats simply not enough .
Whitehair has regressed
Meredith is out injured and hadnt taken the leap yet
Sitton is 31
Floyd finally got to the qb in week 5 will he show up next game or will have to wait until week 10 .
The way things are going its simply not enough for pace or Fox to keep their jobs
5 seasons to hopefully get back to .500 NO WAY the clock should be ticking on everyone including Pace
Here's the thing with Floyd, he had been asked to drop back in coverage quite a few times.
They need to just allow him to rush the QB, and I think he'll be fine.
I think Pace has done okay, but he certainly has his flaws. He rides or dies with Mitch though.
Overall, I think we need an upgrade at coaching more than a new GM.
Susan wrote:
What are you talking about? Pace has had three off seasons, not four. It's OBVIOUS they weren't rushing to get back to .500 but rather tearing it all down to build a foundation. This doesn't happen overnight and the worst thing you can do is get impatient.
Emery was all short term moves, that's a foolish way to build and it's what you're pining for here.
RedBulls23 wrote:Also, not sure how Meredith getting injured is on Pace?
I we have a coaching issue more than a players issue. Look.at how bad the Rams looked last year and this year they are clicking.
I truly think Fox is holding this team back. Coaching is a big factor in the NFL and Fox brand of it is stuck in the past. He needs to go.
chitownsports4ever wrote:Susan wrote:
What are you talking about? Pace has had three off seasons, not four. It's OBVIOUS they weren't rushing to get back to .500 but rather tearing it all down to build a foundation. This doesn't happen overnight and the worst thing you can do is get impatient.
Emery was all short term moves, that's a foolish way to build and it's what you're pining for here.
We are not anywhere near average right now so giving Pace another season or two makes no sense whatsoever when the needle has not shown to be at any point be pointing up .
3 years is not overnight and longer moves only work and make sense if the team shows that the needle s pointing up and just adding a player doesn't mean its point up the play on the field is indicator of that and there is nothing at this time that suggests the bears are even on the cusp of being average ?
Your line of thinking is how you end up becoming like the Jaguars where winning is not even a priority because you've convinced yourself that in the NFL it takes everyone 4-5 years to make a impact or before you should expect to see improvement in the team .
Build a foundation ? after 3 years we are still talking about play makers on the defensive side of the ball and still dont even have a identity.
This team is a product of Fox and Pace not one or the other but both .
Susan wrote:
I'll take the Hawks/Cubs model of rebuilding over the Bulls/Sox method.
Pace came into a franchise with Marshall, Forte, Marty Bennett, Alshon and Cutler as their foundation. They were old (outside of Alshon) and on the decline. The defense had ZERO pieces to build around.
Find me a team that's been so depleted of talent and turned it around quicker.
City of Trees wrote:Chi town wrote:City of Trees wrote:Shaheen not playing says ALOT about where he is in his development.
Hicks is a beast. Unreal. Best FA signing so far by Pace and its not even close.
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No it doesn't. Him playing behind Sims says a lot about a HORRIFIC coaching staff.
Well wait a minute my opinion is based on the coaching staff plays the best players. If what you're saying is true and the coaching staff is purposely sitting Shaheen, the better player, for Sims, then I'd say with everything else going on could be a fireable offense.
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chitownsports4ever wrote:Susan wrote:
I'll take the Hawks/Cubs model of rebuilding over the Bulls/Sox method.
Pace came into a franchise with Marshall, Forte, Marty Bennett, Alshon and Cutler as their foundation. They were old (outside of Alshon) and on the decline. The defense had ZERO pieces to build around.
Find me a team that's been so depleted of talent and turned it around quicker.
But none of those have anything to do with football who cares the method but you dont get 5 years before they start showing progress.
Find me a team that had that many assets over a 3 year period and still had showed no progress that benefited from not changing directions ?
This team so far has no identity because Pace hasnt really went all in on anything in 3 years besides Glennon and Mitch . None of what hes done has given any indicator of what type of team he wants despite us all knowing what type of team that Fox wants .
You look at the jaguars after years of treading water waiting on a qb to save them they bring in old man Coughlin puts him as VP over their young GM they had and they stop waiting on Bortles and sign Campbell,Church,and Bouye,and draft Fournette and instant defense and running game given that franchise a foundation and identity upon which to now move forward.
This notion that somehow we somehow we have to wait 4-5 years for a team better than .500 to be assembled in today's NFL is ridiculous . We are not talking contenders in year 3 but simply a team that shows its arrow is pointing up right now we are not looking that team on either side of the ball.
City of Trees wrote:I've been on record and I'll go on record again as to say I'm a fan of pace. I like what he's done. I think he's getting the **** end of the stick right now because injuries have really killed this team and made it look a lot worse than what it really is, but those injuries are on the coaching staff and the training staff not the GM
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Chi town wrote:City of Trees wrote:I've been on record and I'll go on record again as to say I'm a fan of pace. I like what he's done. I think he's getting the **** end of the stick right now because injuries have really killed this team and made it look a lot worse than what it really is, but those injuries are on the coaching staff and the training staff not the GM
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Exactly. But, the coaching is on him. If he brings back Fox he's an idiot. Hire Harbaugh and let's make the playoffs next season.
Chi town wrote:
I think you are wrong. We just played Glennon for four games and have the most injured team again for the 2nd year in a row.
Watch what Money Mitch shows and everyone will chill out. We are a good team w a rookie QB now that is very injured. This means we will be competitive but los more than we win. Just like last night.
Red Larrivee wrote:I think some are forgetting just how bad the Bears situation was. When Pace took over, the team had a core of declining veterans, an enigmatic QB, and one of the worst draft records in the league. Alshon Jeffery was the most promising player we had and he missed 11 games in his last two seasons in Chicago. It was clear the Bears fell far behind the rest of their division rivals and had no long-term solutions.
Pace has made mistakes, but he deserves more time.
