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If you guys remember back too the 2003 Draft, Angelo traded the #4 Pick for the #14 and #22 Picks

Quite frankly, I think it's been a horriable trade.

The guy we toke at #14(Micheal Hayes) is no longer on the team, and the guy at #22(Rex Grossman) hasn't proven too be anything but a decent back-up.(Too me)

Look at who he could have taken at #4, the big name that jumps out at me is Bryon Leftwich, now while you might say that Leftwich hasn't proven much more then Grossman, I'd take Leftwich over Grossmman, becuase whats the big problem that everyone says about Leftwich?
Injuries, and it's not like Grossman hasn't had a few of those.
Grossman has proven he can go a whole season with getting injuried, but that was just one season, he'd still have a concern if I was Angelo.

But the fact that Grossman, was pick almost 20 slots lower then Leftwich also has too be considered, but if you consider that you might also consider the fact that the pick that trade too get that pick was two slots higher then Leftwich.

What ever happened too that number 14 pick? It was used on Micheal Haynes, who as I said earlier isn't even on the team now, and couldn't cut it on the Saints last season.

So what you have is Bryon Leftwich(Or possibly Terrell Suggs if I rember correctly from the pre-draft buzz.) for Rex Grossman.

Thats arguable in it's self, but like I said eariler I'd take Leftwich.

But another thing is the #22 pick, Angelo toke what he thought was the safe pick with Grossman. Now me myself, I would have taken Willis McGahee, even with the injuries becuase all signs up too that point had showen that he's knee was looking good, and was workingout on it predraft.

However it was still a concern, because theres always a greater chance of re-injurying it, then somebody else broking something totaly diffrent.

Now my whole point, Angelo wants to keep Grossman to show that he still has something too show for the #4 pick, and that he didn't just blow it on absolutly nothing.

I belive Jerry has made an influance on coach Smith a few times to keep Rex in games, even if maybe he shouldn't have been.

I hope I'm not coming off as anti-Anglo, becuase I like alot of stuff he has done I mean really look at the very two next players he toke in that draft, Peanut, and Briggs, now granted Briggs is having the contract issue right now, regadless getting Briggs in the third was an off the carts pick.

You have too take the good with the bad, thats with everthing, thats as true with NFL draft picks as it is with a long relationship.

Haynes would have been good in Blache's system, but he had to gain a lose weight constantly as Lovie shuffled him around from DT to DE in a system he did not fit in.

If we stayed at 4 it was rumored that we would have taken Dwayne Robertson, the DT from Kentucky who was an enormous disappointment.

[quote="Triple_6_Mafia"]If you guys remember back too the 2003 Draft, Angelo traded the #4 Pick for the #14 and #22 Picks

Quite frankly, I think it's been a horriable trade.

[b]The guy we toke at #14(Micheal Hayes) is no longer on the team, and the guy at #22(Rex Grossman) hasn't proven too be anything but a decent back-up.(Too me)[/b]

Look at who he could have taken at #4, the big name that jumps out at me is Bryon Leftwich, now while you might say that Leftwich hasn't proven much more then Grossman, I'd take Leftwich over Grossmman, becuase whats the big problem that everyone says about Leftwich?
Injuries, and it's not like Grossman hasn't had a few of those.
Grossman has proven he can go a whole season with getting injuried, but that was just one season, he'd still have a concern if I was Angelo.

But the fact that Grossman, was pick almost 20 slots lower then Leftwich also has too be considered, but if you consider that you might also consider the fact that the pick that trade too get that pick was two slots higher then Leftwich.

What ever happened too that number 14 pick? It was used on Micheal Haynes, who as I said earlier isn't even on the team now, and couldn't cut it on the Saints last season.

So what you have is Bryon Leftwich(Or possibly Terrell Suggs if I rember correctly from the pre-draft buzz.) for Rex Grossman.

Thats arguable in it's self, but like I said eariler I'd take Leftwich.

But another thing is the #22 pick, Angelo toke what he thought was the safe pick with Grossman. Now me myself, I would have taken Willis McGahee, even with the injuries becuase all signs up too that point had showen that he's knee was looking good, and was workingout on it predraft.

However it was still a concern, because theres always a greater chance of re-injurying it, then somebody else broking something totaly diffrent.

Now my whole point, Angelo wants to keep Grossman to show that he still has something too show for the #4 pick, and that he didn't just blow it on absolutly nothing.

I belive Jerry has made an influance on coach Smith a few times to keep Rex in games, even if maybe he shouldn't have been.

I hope I'm not coming off as anti-Anglo, becuase I like alot of stuff he has done I mean really look at the very two next players he toke in that draft, Peanut, and Briggs, now granted Briggs is having the contract issue right now, regadless getting Briggs in the third was an off the carts pick.

You have too take the good with the bad, thats with everthing, thats as true with NFL draft picks as it is with a long relationship.[/quote]

Same guy who helped us get to the Super Bowl. But I get ur point about Angelo trying to show that he got something out of that 4th overall pick. The bottom line is that he was not in a good situation because if he'd gotten Roberton at 4, we woulda never gotten Tommie and if he'd gotten Suggs at 4, we wouldnt have gotten basically the same player at a much cheaper price in Briggs.

I like Gorssman, I think he's an alright dude, I hope he can turn into a good QB for the Bears, however he did not help us get there he made it harder for us.

Now, does that mean I don't think he can improve? No, as a matter a fact I really could see him improving alot. You have to remember this was he's first full season starting, and QB's make that big leap in there 2nd year.

I think we've seen Grossman could be great with a Tight End who catches the ball and gets open. Not to say you can't say the same about other QBs, but before Clark got hurt, Grossman was dealing like crazy

they are going to design an offense that features the Shotgun. Grossman could be the perfect type guy to benefit, because he doesn't have to scramble as much to get a passing lane

I don't necesarily think Angelo goes to greater lengths than others to defend his mistakes though. Hes been willing to cut players loose when he has to

I also don't believe Angelo would have taken another player at #4 other than that Kentucky DT. That was almost a consensus pick at #4.

Be glad he didn't take Simms or that big lefty QB from Louiville later in the draft along with Robertson. Now that would have been a disastrous draft. Grossman is pretty servicable.