Faith in Rex?

Dr. Lechter · Post #1 » by **Dr. Lechter** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:59 am

Hi All,

I wondered what everyone's thoughts are on Rex this year. For myself, I don't trust the kid. He has a great arm but I don't trust his mechanics or his decisions under pressure.

That being said I don't know how Griese looks these days. I know last year I was screaming at the tv for most of the season to bench Rex. Especially after that 0 QB rating. I hear Orton is lookin better and better. Will Orton make the No. 2 spot by the end of training?

What does everybody think?

WEFFPIM · Post #2 » by **WEFFPIM** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:28 am

I say that last season is last season, and that he and the team deserve a fresh start. Hell, they earned it after the season they treated us fans to last season. Now that Rex has a full season under his belt, understands the stress of a full season, and mroe importantly, comprehends the magnitude of the biggest game of the year, I do have some faith in him. Also, given that he has two new weapons in Hester and Olsen, he has more options around him. Now here's hoping the offense draws up some shotgun plays, which I thought would have helped him considerably last season.

dacheezwhiz · Post #3 » by **dacheezwhiz** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:29 am

i do not have any faith whatsoever in rex
with that said, greise, orton, and leak are very underwhelming
maybe if orton decides to ditch the beard...
no matter what we think, there not gonna give up on rex yet, theyll play out the season, watch us coast into the playoofs, loose in the nfc championship game and play wait and see for another year and so on

Dr. Lechter · Post #4 » by **Dr. Lechter** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:37 am

willeatfire4playoffsinmil wrote:I say that last season is last season, and that he and the team deserve a fresh start. Hell, they earned it after the season they treated us fans to last season. Now that Rex has a full season under his belt, understands the stress of a full season, and mroe importantly, comprehends the magnitude of the biggest game of the year, I do have some faith in him. Also, given that he has two new weapons in Hester and Olsen, he has more options around him. Now here's hoping the offense draws up some shotgun plays, which I thought would have helped him considerably last season.

I think this is reasonable. I still don't have any faith in him but I think that your outlook is reasonable. The thing that concerns me is the notion (and it isn't just said by you, so please don't take this as anything directed at you--just in general) that Rex has only had "one year". He hasn't. He's had multiple training camp experiences, and more than a year's worth of NFL games. Why this worries me is that those training camps, film sessions, etc. are not a replacement for playing but they should help. In Rex's case it looks like they may not have. Orton is by every report improving dramatically from 05, yet he hasn't played in one more game. This would indicate that time in the NFL, around the NFL, etc. helps. Nothin beats game experience but game experience isn't the only experience.

So I am left concerned. I think the problem with Rex really is that they never open it up to competition and this engenders suspicion and resentment in some fans. It does me. I want the best QB for the Bears. If it's Rex, then so be it. I just hate the crowning.

IVSKIN · Post #5 » by **IVSKIN** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:10 am

For absolutely no reason I have a lot of faith in Rex. Granted, I have had a few drinks tonight, and I am not thinking all that clearly. However, I truly believe that he will be one of the top NFC QBs.

Since I am a little drunk, and a degenerate gambler, I would be willing to do some pay pal bets with people on this forum that Rex makes the probowl. I won't even take nay odds. Any takers?

Post #6 » by **emperorjones** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:24 am

I have complete faith in Rex. I look at last season as sort of his 2nd year in the league. What did he give us? Brilliance & total stupidity. Quarterbacks generally get smarter from year to year. Rex by media accounts spent a lot of time working on mechanics. I expect a lot more brilliant Rex with the bad Rex limited to games which he's trying to single handedly pull out a win (which if you look at our D & O, there won't be many).

Cliff Levingston · Post #7 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:19 pm

IVSKIN wrote:Since I am a little drunk, and a degenerate gambler, I would be willing to do some pay pal bets with people on this forum that Rex makes the probowl. I won't even take nay odds. Any takers?

Cliff Levingston and his friend made that exact same bet last year, loser has to buy the other guy dinner. Cliff Levingston won and still hasn't received his dinner, but we made the same bet again this season. Cliff Levingston hopes he'll have to buy a dinner.

If Rex really has improved his progressions, footwork and comfort in the pocket then he'll be much improved. Cliff Levingston has yet to lose faith especially since he has more weapons around him now.

Rodanlee · Post #8 » by **Rodanlee** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:46 am

all of his mistakes last year were mistakes that can be fixed, and i think that rex and the bears staff has taken the necessary steps to vault rex onto another level this year

Post #9 » by **CBS7** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:16 am

My uncle who's not a Bears fan and has been watching the NFL for 20+ years thinks that Grossman will rebound and make the probowl this season. For some reason, it gives me faith in Rex.

Howling Mad · Post #10 » by **Howling Mad** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:16 pm

I don't know about you guys but if Ditka didn't point it out enough, Grossman looked real sharp out there. Comfortable in the pocket and made his reads quickly and with some deception.

One thing I was looking out for was Rex running out of the pocket. It might be a good thing he didn't have to, more of a credit to the o-line, but would've liked to see it.

Dr. Lechter · Post #11 » by **Dr. Lechter** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:41 am

I agree that he did look pretty good in this game. His mechanics looked better.

I am still very very cautious. In my opinion, we might have had a chance to win the superbowl last year with Griese. I am not saying it would have happened, I am saying we would have had a chance. I knew going in we had no chance with Grossman last year.

It makes it hard to have faith now.

But I will give credit where it's due. He looks a little better. We'll see what happens against real defenses throwing real disguised blitzes.

My wife hates Grossman. She is almost ready to give up on the Bears over the futility of last season. I have no faith in him either but I have to admit a few things: first, the kid is tough. Second, the kid is arrogant. That might help him through the hard times, but it might also perpetuate his problems. We'll see.

But there is one clear asset he has now that he did not have before.

Olsen.

Any QB looks a lot better with a big athletic TE. Look at Bledsoe with Coates and without Coates. Look at Aikman with Novacek and without. I could go on. Olsen's the deal and Rex will benefit.

Not faith yet, but maybe a little hope.

NLK · Post #12 » by **NLK** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:07 pm

Eh, I'm just waiting for Orton take his spot if we struggle in the early goings of the regular season! I had enough of Rex's "just chuck it up and pray a Bears receiver is nearby to make it look justified to throwing it before it was intercepted."

P-Weezy · Post #13 » by **P-Weezy** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:44 pm

I BELIEVE IN REX

tclg · Post #14 » by **tclg** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:18 pm

I believe rex can be good enough to manage the game and let the defense win while ocassionally making a big play. I would love if he cut it on his fumbles though

SLCceltic · Post #15 » by **SLCceltic** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:48 am

NLK wrote:Eh, I'm just waiting for Orton take his spot if we struggle in the early goings of the regular season! I had enough of Rex's "just chuck it up and pray a Bears receiver is nearby to make it look justified to throwing it before it was intercepted."

orton taking over :rofl:

when grossman has time he never misses----the o-line did not do enough for him last season

teams started sending everyone at him toward the end of the season, and he still made some huge plays
he's better than jmiller, eric kramer, and maybe mcmahon (if he plays another full season without an injury b/c mcmahon always got hurt)

adding olsen, wolfe and hester will help him a lot, and from the way ayenbadejo jr was catching the ball against the texans i would count him as a weapon

i still say we should have gotten a veteran rt and cut miller---he's still due like 3mill per for next 2 or 3 yrs
could have used some of that

basFan · Post #16 » by **basFan** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:03 pm

Last year was basically a rookie year for Rex. I think he is a future star in this league, and has the ability to make big plays.

Dr. Lechter · Post #17 » by **Dr. Lechter** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:11 am

basFan wrote:Last year was basically a rookie year for Rex. I think he is a future star in this league, and has the ability to make big plays.

This is not in any way true. This is Rex's 5th year. Last year was his fourth. Prior to last year he had played in several games, including a playoff game. At the end of last year he had almost completed two seasons of games (including playoffs).

But more importantly. . .he has now been through five training camps and all those preseason games, all that film session, all that training. Look at Alex Smith for the 49er's. His rookie year he sucked badly and was pulled. The next year he played much better. Was it the games? No. It was a year of being in the NFL, training and film sessions.

Experience does not come by games alone. What Rex is now is probably what Rex will always be. The guy can't even take the snap from the best center in football.

Post #18 » by **emperorjones** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:47 pm

Dr. Lechter wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This is not in any way true. This is Rex's 5th year. Last year was his fourth. Prior to last year he had played in several games, including a playoff game. At the end of last year he had almost completed two seasons of games (including playoffs).

But more importantly. . .he has now been through five training camps and all those preseason games, all that film session, all that training. Look at Alex Smith for the 49er's. His rookie year he sucked badly and was pulled. The next year he played much better. Was it the games? No. It was a year of being in the NFL, training and film sessions.

Experience does not come by games alone. What Rex is now is probably what Rex will always be. The guy can't even take the snap from the best center in football.

Yes a Superbowl quarterback. It's just funny, it seems like people don't realize he quarterbacked us to the Superbowl last year. You'd think we went 7-9.

Dr. Lechter · Post #19 » by **Dr. Lechter** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:54 pm

emperorjones wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yes a Superbowl quarterback. It's just funny, it seems like people don't realize he quarterbacked us to the Superbowl last year. You'd think we went 7-9.

A quarterback who lost us a superbowl.

The Defense won us the games in the regular season. Rex's numbers are staggeringly bad when under pressure, in the 4th quarter, etc.

How many snaps has he dropped now?

We went 10-5 with Orton, by the win losing argument, Orton got us to the playoffs in his rookie year.

Trent Dilfer was a Super Bowl Winning QB. By that logic, he's better than Rex.

Cliff Levingston · Post #20 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:31 pm

It seems like Rex is so anxious to prove everyone that he can be not just a game managing QB, but a great, gun slinging QB somewhat in the mold of Favre. Cliff Levingston is sure he's heard all the talk for the last few seasons about being given the starting job instead of earning it so he's eager to prove he belongs.

His mechanics looked much better last night save for the fumbles. The one wasn't all his fault when the pocket collapsed on him. No doubt that there's no excuse for fumbling the exchange, but the mere fact it's the most simple aspect of being a QB should make it that much easier to correct, no?

How soon we forget that just last week, Grossman looked better than Griese overall against the Texans.

It almost boils down to Tyrus Thomas vs. Joe Smith type argument for Cliff Levingston. You know what Joe Smith brings to the table and it might be better overall than Tyrus given the ups and downs. But if Tyrus can refine some aspects of his game and settle down a bit, there's no doubt in hardly anyone's minds that he can be a much better player than Joe Smith.

Change Tyrus with Rex and Smith with Griese and you've basically got the exact same argument. The only minor difference is that the Bears are the favorites for the superbowl in the NFC while the Bulls are among the favorites for the championship in the East.

Rex has a lot of ability and his great games last season shouldn't just be thrown out the window because of the bad ones. He's only had about 1.5 years of real game experience. 5 years in the league or not, there's no replacement for real game experience.

It's too early to pull the plug on him.