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The Heat should be on Lovie Smith now. Rex is irrelevant

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 10:48 pm
by fleet
Angelo too. Lets put it where it belongs. This braintrust had plenty of time to evaluate Grossman. They also had plenty of time to find a replacement. Hell, they have other QBs on the roster to try. It doesn't even matter if the others suck. What matters is that this team moves on.

Ball is in Lovie Smiths court. And his boss. Leave Rex out of it. He just stinks. The Bears braintrust is at fault. The media and fans ought to look at the real problem

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 10:49 pm
by Rodanlee
our o-line is a piece of ****............ they need to get some heat too

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 10:50 pm
by SportsWorld
Lovie said after the half he wanted the defense to put up some points. Are you kidding me Lovie?

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 10:56 pm
by Bulls69
SportsWorld wrote:Lovie said after the half he wanted the defense to put up some points. Are you kidding me Lovie?


We have not learn shyt from last season Rex is crap.

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 10:57 pm
by Bullsmaniac
SportsWorld wrote:Lovie said after the half he wanted the defense to put up some points. Are you kidding me Lovie?


Yeah right!! Lovie depends too much on the defense to save his lethargic offense and horrible QB.

You can't count on that every game. The defense is working overtime because they're always on the field due to his inept QB and Oline.

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:01 pm
by NoSkyy
Even if Brian Griese started, he won't be able to do **** if Turner calls run and then the RB FUMBLES the ball. Seriously, you guys need to think about it. If Angelo is to be fired, it should be for letting Thomas Jones go/drafting Benson, instead of letting Rex Grossman stay on the field.

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:05 pm
by fleet
look, Benson is also irrelant. There is no room for error because there is no field general making plays. The fumble is irrelevant. We should not be in the position where a fumble kills us if say I don't know, and number of one of the real talented QBs in this league were playing for us winning the game on his arm

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:12 pm
by Posey H8er
I think it was just one bad game, and unfortunately it was against a very good team. If it were against a bad team and we had a bad game, we could have come away with a victory.

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:14 pm
by NoSkyy
fleetwood macbull wrote:look, Benson is also irrelant. There is no room for error because there is no field general making plays. The fumble is irrelevant. We should not be in the position where a fumble kills us if say I don't know, and number of one of the real talented QBs in this league were playing for us winning the game on his arm


Both their fumbles were about midfield(correct me if I'm wrong) but I guess that's irrelvant.

I don't know about you, but I firmly believe Grossman puts us in the best position to make a play, compared to Brian Griese/Kyle Orton. There's not really a way to get a "real talented QB" that would have Ron Turner calling more pass plays than run plays(We are a running team afterall).

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:14 pm
by treis
fleetwood macbull wrote:look, Benson is also irrelant. There is no room for error because there is no field general making plays. The fumble is irrelevant.


Oh my god it's the Borg!

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:17 pm
by CBS7
fleetwood macbull wrote:look, Benson is also irrelant. There is no room for error because there is no field general making plays. The fumble is irrelevant. We should not be in the position where a fumble kills us if say I don't know, and number of one of the real talented QBs in this league were playing for us winning the game on his arm


- You can't just go out and grab "one of the real talanted QBs in this league".
- It wasn't just one fumble. It was 3 including the punt thing. Both their scores game off of turnovers, a 29 yard drive and a 56 yard drive.
- I don't think too many QBs would do so well in the same situation, where the rest of the team turns it over 3 times.

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:20 pm
by fleet
NoSkyy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Both their fumbles were about midfield(correct me if I'm wrong) but I guess that's irrelvant.

I don't know about you, but I firmly believe Grossman puts us in the best position to make a play, compared to Brian Griese/Kyle Orton. There's not really a way to get a "real talented QB" that would have Ron Turner calling more pass plays than run plays(We are a running team afterall).

I don't know if he does or not to be honest. I know hes not good enough to consistently win ballgames in the NFL. You just move on, and that decision has to be executed. Its already too late, the season has started. But better late than never. You just turn the page, and look down the road from a failure. I blame Lovie for not doing it. Not realizing it. Not erasing the mistake before the year began. I also blame Angelo.

I have seen enough.

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:23 pm
by Chi Dynasty12
i hate how everyone LOVES to blame Grossman after a win. Blame benson and peterson for their fumbles in huge situations, and the O-Line for doing absolutely nothing.

"Oh no we lost, BLAME GROSSMAN because it must be his fault!"

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:26 pm
by fleet
_CBS7_ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



- You can't just go out and grab "one of the real talanted QBs in this league".

obviously not at this point you don't. This should have been worked on immediately after the Super Bowl. But the point is, you signal the team that this is not the man any more

- It wasn't just one fumble. It was 3 including the punt thing. Both their scores game off of turnovers, a 29 yard drive and a 56 yard drive.


whatever man. Theres no room for error I do know that, and that because Halas Hall has left the backfield with mediocrity.

- I don't think too many QBs would do so well in the same situation, where the rest of the team turns it over 3 times.

well we agree to disagree. I believe if the ball was in Carson Palmers hands, it wouldn't be fumbled, it would have been rifled to an open receiver. Of course, you can't get him. I'm just saying, this quarterback is mediocre. An Upgrade simply must be accomplished

He dropped the ball at one point killing a drive because his hands are too small. In other cases, he just threw the ball to outerspace

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:27 pm
by NoSkyy
fleetwood macbull wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I don't know if he does or not to be honest. I know hes not good enough to consistently win ballgames in the NFL. You just move on, and that decision has to be executed. Its already too late, the season has started. But better late than never. You just turn the page, and look down the road from a failure. I blame Lovie for not doing it. Not realizing it. Not erasing the mistake before the year began. I also blame Angelo.

I have seen enough.


Clearly, Rex is good enough, because we were 13-3 last year. He can win ballgames in the NFL, it's not like he can't.

I don't understand how you would bench/end the career of a QB that had an semi-okay game that was essentially spoiled by fumbles that were not his fault. Everytime he got in a position to make a play, something happened.

Fleet I respect you a lot, especailly on your stuff with the Bulls board but remind me never to let you coach any football team I care about/play on because that's just not how you should be coaching/building a team.

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:28 pm
by NoSkyy
Chi Dynasty12 wrote:i hate how everyone LOVES to blame Grossman after a win. Blame benson and peterson for their fumbles in huge situations, and the O-Line for doing absolutely nothing.

"Oh no we lost, BLAME GROSSMAN because it must be his fault!"


:bowdown:

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:33 pm
by fleet
NoSkyy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Clearly, Rex is good enough, because we were 13-3 last year. He can win ballgames in the NFL, it's not like he can't.

right, Rex won the games. :roll:
So did Kyle Orton when he was the Quarterback :roll:

I don't understand how you would bench/end the career of a QB that had an semi-okay game that was essentially spoiled by fumbles that were not his fault. Everytime he got in a position to make a play, something happened.

I really don't care about who lost the game. I care about who didn't win it

Fleet I respect you a lot, especailly on your stuff with the Bulls board but remind me never to let you coach any football team I care about/play on because that's just not how you should be coaching/building a team.

opinions vary. I don't want you coaching my team because Rex Grossman is your quarterback

Posted: Sun Sep 9, 2007 11:52 pm
by ReggieTheus
I agree with Fleet here folks. Lovie and Angelo are to blame mostly, everybody on that offense is to blame too, that starts with Rex he's the offensive leader, and Benson and Adrian, the o-line, and the special teams save Brad Maynard and Robbie Gould.

I don't get why everybody stands up for Rex so much, what is the charm here?

But yes Lovie should get the bulk of the blame because he keeps playing Rex. Rex has tried to get better, he just doesn't have what it takes, he's a great Defensive wizard, no comaplaints there, but to be a head coach you have to have some offensive knowledge, which he seems to lack. Rex doesn't have the mental capability to be an NFL QB, that can't be coached.

And all that 13-3 stuff. It was that Defense that carried them, that is a dynasty caliber D, man. Orton was a rookie when he made his errors like Rex, why doesn't this guy ever get a shot? Griese is solid too. It's not like we have "Mark Butterfield" or "Steve Stenstrum" backing up Grossy.

"It's not the number of Great Plays that make a bad quarterback, it's the number of bad plays they don't have".

I swear I felt like it was 1996 all over again Rex=Dave Kreig, and Bensen & Peterson = Rashaan Salaam.

I'm not saying the sky is falling, it's one game, against a good team, but that's not the point. All these 3 and outs, losing time of possession big time, depending on the D to SCORE! Man they wore our GREAT D out. If the offense did it's job we would've SHUT THEM OUT. All the points came at the end, the D was tired, because they have been workin "over-time".

The offense should turn over this week's pay check to the Defense. Defense=SPECTACULAR Offense=PATHETIC

Bring on the CHIEFS!!!

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:41 am
by dougthonus
Fleet, Benson sucked balls in this game, and his 2.2 (or whatever it was) yards per carry and inability to pick up 1 yard in a crucial situation plus his fumble did us in far more than anything Grossman did.

Even Grossman's lone interception was because Berrian quit on his route.

I don't like Grossman as a QB, but I'm more concerned about our offensive line and our running game than Grossman right now.

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:20 am
by blumeany
As much as I love harping on Grossman, the fact is that *in this game* he did not put the Bears in the terrible situations that he has in the past. GRANTED, he also didn't carry the team when we needed it.

But really you have to question the offensive play calling. Especially the 3 runs in a row when you have a QB that is pretty good at play action.

Benson looked underwhelming. The defense did well, but - as they've been accustomed to - they peetered out at the end. Even LT made comments after the game about how with the Bears you just have to keep trying and eventually you'll get your chances to strike.

The bottom line is that our offense is broken. And when our offense is broken, we need our defense and special teams to score. When that doesn't happen, we lose. The offense, from the line to the QB to the running back to the game plan, SUCKS. Plain and simple. Lovie's major flaw as a coach is his over-reliance on defense -especially when it comes to scoring.

Having said all that, the Bears will of course look like world beaters next week against a weak Kansas City team - and everyone will be happy and say that the Bears 'are back' and are the balls and all that - forgetting that when it came to us facing some world-class competition, we flopped. :noway: