Would you trade our first rounder for Derek Anderson?

Post #1 » by **CBS7** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:04 pm

A couple of weeks ago, I thought this guy was terribly overrated because half of his TD passes came in one game and he had a low completion percentage. However, after a couple of 250 yards, 3 TD, 70+ completion% days and watching a little more of him then just highlights, I thought he looked pretty good.

Browns are probably higher on Brady Quinn, so if they look to unload Anderson for a first rounder, would you do it? He's a 24 year old who has passed for 17 TDs in 7 games, and has ran for a couple more.

jumanji · Post #2 » by **jumanji** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:38 am

_CBS7_ wrote:A couple of weeks ago, I thought this guy was terribly overrated because half of his TD passes came in one game and he had a low completion percentage. However, after a couple of 250 yards, 3 TD, 70+ completion% days and watching a little more of him then just highlights, I thought he looked pretty good.

Browns are probably higher on Brady Quinn, so if they look to unload Anderson for a first rounder, would you do it? He's a 24 year old who has passed for 17 TDs in 7 games, and has ran for a couple more.

If Brohm, Woodson or Ryan are on the board then the answer would be an emphatic no.

Cliff Levingston · Post #3 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:27 pm

Not straight up, but maybe a trade down: our first for Anderson and their second round pick. It'd be better then picking a guy straight from college cause our window for competing is starting to close. We'd be better off with a guy with experience than a rookie.

If we can get them to take Ron Turner off our hands too, that'd be a bonus.

Post #4 » by **CBS7** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:51 pm

Cliff Levingston wrote:Not straight up, but maybe a trade down: our first for Anderson and their second round pick. It'd be better then picking a guy straight from college cause our window for competing is starting to close. We'd be better off with a guy with experience than a rookie.

If we can get them to take Ron Turner off our hands too, that'd be a bonus.

Thats what I was thinking.

Anderson is having a great season. If he can keep it up the rest of the way, then at least come close to replicating it next year on the Bears, we'd be in much better shape then picking a guy in the first round and starting Griese until the younger guy is ready.

Anderson is a first year starter, is just 24, is 2nd in the NFL in TD passes, and has a 95.5 QB rating.
Statistically he's having as good a season as Romo.

jumanji · Post #5 » by **jumanji** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:24 pm

If you think Anderson is better longterm than the top 3 guys coming out then you make that move, the argument that he's 24 and more ready than the others i dont really like that logic. Anderson is new at this whole thing himself and the others all play at schools that throw the ball around and they are all around 22(i assume). Another thing, the Bears arent winning any superbowls anytime soon. just my take.

treyZz · Post #6 » by **treyZz** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 1:02 am

No way in hell I would.

NLK · Post #7 » by **NLK** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 2:51 am

No. We need one of those picks to be a really good player to fill one of our voids. Maybe a 3rd Rounder.

richard · Post #8 » by **richard** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 5:24 am

i worry that as soon as he puts on a bears uniform he will catch suckyqbitis.

Post #9 » by **CBS7** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 3:14 pm

jumanji wrote:If you think Anderson is better longterm than the top 3 guys coming out then you make that move, the argument that he's 24 and more ready than the others i dont really like that logic. Anderson is new at this whole thing himself and the others all play at schools that throw the ball around and they are all around 22(i assume). Another thing, the Bears arent winning any superbowls anytime soon. just my take.

The way he's been playing he sure as hell looks like he's more ready then any rookie can be.

WEFFPIM · Post #10 » by **WEFFPIM** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 4:10 pm

No. No second or third thoughts needed

Cliff Levingston · Post #11 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 4:11 pm

_CBS7_ wrote:Thats what I was thinking.

Anderson is having a great season. If he can keep it up the rest of the way, then at least come close to replicating it next year on the Bears, we'd be in much better shape then picking a guy in the first round and starting Griese until the younger guy is ready.

Anderson is a first year starter, is just 24, is 2nd in the NFL in TD passes, and has a 95.5 QB rating.
Statistically he's having as good a season as Romo.

Makes you wonder if they'll want to keep him instead and maybe do something with Quinn. They've got Quinn pegged as the long term guy there but it's hard to go away from what's been working. In which case, maybe we can steal Quinn away from them.

NLK · Post #12 » by **NLK** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 6:55 pm

I'm afraid Quinn might be a younger version of Rick Mirer. We all know how Mirer turned out as a Bear QB. I think Quinn would do better than Mirer, but you know never know. One injury changes a lot things. But hey, I like that suggestion CL, if we can nab us Quinn, it surely has to be better than what we got long term wise.

Post #13 » by **Icness** » Thu Nov 1, 2007 8:44 pm

The asking price, at minimum, is what ATL got for Schaub--2 spaces in the 1st and 2 2nd rounders. Probably a little higher than that. The Browns don't have a 1st to swap this year, so I would make an informed bet that the price would be the Bears 1st this year and 2nd next year, with a 3rd or equivalent in value swap this year too.

I talked with a scout today who told me he believes the best-case outcome for Brian Brohm is to become what Derek Anderson is this year. I think Brohm's ceiling is a lot higher, but who really knows at this point. We're both significantly less optimistic about Woodson, whom is nowhere near as good as Jason Campbell and never will be in our opinion. So do you trade for the proven commodity, a guy who is playing far beyond expectations behind an extremely improved/underrated OL with Pro Bowlers at WR and TE, or the developmental promise/risk? If you know Jerry Angelo at all, you know the answer to that question...

Post #14 » by **CBS7** » Fri Nov 2, 2007 2:07 am

I don't get all the flat out no answers. This guy has been playing lights out. He's on pace to throw for nearly 4000 yards and 40 TDs.

NLK · Post #15 » by **NLK** » Fri Nov 2, 2007 12:05 pm

I don't think we're all objecting to having Derek Anderson. Its just that we're objecting to the price to pay for him. I mean, we're paying heavy dues right now with a lazy & lackluster Cedric Benson (never trust them Texas boys ever again, ditto goes for a coach). I can speak for myself on this part, in which, I think its best we spend our 1st Rounder on a good Offensive Linemen, Defensive Player, or Running Back. Trading a 1st Rounder for Derek Anderson is sort of like drafting a QB in the 1st Round. Sure Anderson has some QB experience, but he plays in Cleveland where they really haven't had anything to prove (he's playing well probably due to the fact no one expects anything out of the Browns). Dude does have some great size to him, but it won't mean a damn thing if we had him next year, and O-Line gets suckier (ditto with a running game). It'll be a Gross-man in 2008. Can't have that again. In Chicago, we have different situation than Cleveland, we have a decent to pretty good receiving core of Clark, Olsen, Berrian, Bradley and Moose. We're in the 2nd biggest market in a America, we're expected to have a winner. Pressure can make people and it can break them. I think we're not all on board because of the Bears past luck at QB, we've all seen a story similar to this play out already, with bad disappointing results.

Cliff Levingston · Post #16 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Fri Nov 2, 2007 5:57 pm

Icness wrote:The asking price, at minimum, is what ATL got for Schaub--2 spaces in the 1st and 2 2nd rounders. Probably a little higher than that. The Browns don't have a 1st to swap this year, so I would make an informed bet that the price would be the Bears 1st this year and 2nd next year, with a 3rd or equivalent in value swap this year too.

I talked with a scout today who told me he believes the best-case outcome for Brian Brohm is to become what Derek Anderson is this year. I think Brohm's ceiling is a lot higher, but who really knows at this point. We're both significantly less optimistic about Woodson, whom is nowhere near as good as Jason Campbell and never will be in our opinion. So do you trade for the proven commodity, a guy who is playing far beyond expectations behind an extremely improved/underrated OL with Pro Bowlers at WR and TE, or the developmental promise/risk? If you know Jerry Angelo at all, you know the answer to that question...

If that's the case then we should pass. Fact is, we're going to be a pathetic offense until Ron Turner is fired, which probably won't be next year anyway. We've got a lot of other holes we need to fill with those picks, namely Safety and Offensive Line.

Susan · Post #17 » by **Susan** » Sat Nov 3, 2007 6:33 pm

_CBS7_ wrote:I don't get all the flat out no answers. This guy has been playing lights out. He's on pace to throw for nearly 4000 yards and 40 TDs.

With Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow.

Howling Mad · Post #18 » by **Howling Mad** » Sun Nov 4, 2007 5:27 pm

I would trade our first rounder, and second rounder, and third rounder for Joe Thomas.

EDIT* Ok, maybe all three picks is a lot but, deff a first rounder*

Derek Anderson is real a real appealing QB specimen. 6'5'' 230. Peyton Manning is 6'5'' 230. Thats probably my perfect build for a QB. Now having said that, I'm with those who point out hes playing with Braylon and Winslow.

2 guys with NFL-DNA, that could turn the super-duper-stardom corner at any minute.

Berrian and Olsen could have the potential to be stars later, but they come up a little short now, whereas the Browns WR and TE are already stars.

Post #19 » by **CBS7** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:17 pm

Anderson with 80 yards and 3 TDs against the great Steelers D in the first half.

IlliniNRG · Post #20 » by **IlliniNRG** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:14 pm

Icness wrote: If you know Jerry Angelo at all, you know the answer to that question...

True, but you have to wonder if Angelo's horrible misfortunes with his 1st round picks will humble him at any point into trading one away.

Personally, I don't think the Bears are championship contenders even with DA in at quarterback. Their o-line seems to have expired like a carton of milk, their safeties are just putrid, and Benson seems to be average at his absolute best.

I fear this Bears team has seen its window close.