Pick 142: CB Zack Bowman

Ruben Douglas · Post #1 » by **Ruben Douglas** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:57 pm

Great. More Defense.

SHO'NUFF · Post #2 » by **SHO'NUFF** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:58 pm

WTF?????? ANDRE WOODSON!!!!!!!

Ruben Douglas · Post #3 » by **Ruben Douglas** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:59 pm

Sounds like this guy has 1st round potential but has been injured his whole life.

SWIFTSLICK · Post #4 » by **SWIFTSLICK** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:00 pm

^^^You know, that's exactly what I was thinking when Bowman's name scrolled across the screen.

Howling Mad · Post #5 » by **Howling Mad** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:00 pm

Yeah I thought Andre Woodson or a LG, but CB?

Its another defensive-mid-round Angelo pick so I won't complain, I'll just :nod:

and wait for results.

IVSKIN · Post #6 » by **IVSKIN** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:01 pm

I was hoping we would grab either Nicks, Scheuning, or Woodson, but one should slip to our next pick in the 5th. Bowman is the kind of guy who could become a star in this league, so while it isn't a position pick, I truly think we got BPA here.

Post #7 » by **Icness** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:05 pm

This guy was no worse than the #2 CB in his class before the injuries hit. But his knee injury was freaking brutal--think McGahee in the BCS game, and he rushed the rehab a bit. He has very good natural coverage instincts and technique, but he lost about .2 sec off his 40 time and his 3-cone drill was not good. He's also had some off-field issues that raise some flags.

Post #8 » by **CBS7** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:06 pm

I don't like us going CB. That might be our strongest position.

Howling Mad · Post #9 » by **Howling Mad** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:07 pm

Icness wrote:This guy was no worse than the #2 CB in his class before the injuries hit. But his knee injury was freaking brutal--think McGahee in the BCS game, and he rushed the rehab a bit. He has very good natural coverage instincts and technique, but he lost about .2 sec off his 40 time and his 3-cone drill was not good. He's also had some off-field issues that raise some flags.

Hearing that, then its a good late round chance to take, I'll take it.

BigUps · Post #10 » by **BigUps** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:11 pm

I hate Jerry Angelo. Thats how I feel about this pick and more.

Post #11 » by **Icness** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:14 pm

CBS7 wrote:I don't like us going CB. That might be our strongest position.

I'm with you there. I've said it before, I'll say it again:
In a Cover 2 base defense, CB is the least important position on the field. The Bears have the highest payroll for CBs in the league (PHI might have passed them now) and they just spent another draft pick on the spot. In a best-case scenario Bowman makes the team as the 5th CB in 2008 and moves up to perhaps nickel in 09. There were still a lot of competent OL on the board that would be a bigger help. I do still like Bowman's potential though

Chewie · Post #12 » by **Chewie** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:42 pm

I actually think our corners could use the help. The staff clearly had lost all confidence in Ricky Manning Jr. last year. If reports are true that Bowman was the #1 corner going into the '06 season, let's wait on the guy. This kind of size/speed in a corner is something we need.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #13 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:44 pm

After seeing our lack of depth in the defensive backfield kill us the last couple of playoffs - I don't mind a developmental pick like this.

Kid has great potential - just can't stay healthy.

Howling Mad · Post #14 » by **Howling Mad** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:46 pm

Ricky Manning Jr is sitting at home wondering WTF? I'm the damn nickel guy!

Remember the media questions last year about, "Lovie, who is going to play nickel for you this weekend?", and Lovie responds, "Ricky Manning Jr was our nickelback last week, he'll play nickel this week, and he'll be our nickelback next week!"

I guess he won't be the sure candidate for nickelback next year? :dontknow:

Chewie · Post #15 » by **Chewie** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:09 pm

BULL even PAX wrote:Ricky Manning Jr is sitting at home wondering WTF? I'm the damn nickel guy!

He's actually probably at a local Denny's with his posse looking for his next victim.

TylerB · Post #16 » by **TylerB** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:48 am

Icness wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm with you there. I've said it before, I'll say it again:
In a Cover 2 base defense, CB is the least important position on the field. The Bears have the highest payroll for CBs in the league (PHI might have passed them now) and they just spent another draft pick on the spot. In a best-case scenario Bowman makes the team as the 5th CB in 2008 and moves up to perhaps nickel in 09. There were still a lot of competent OL on the board that would be a bigger help. I do still like Bowman's potential though

Best case is that he wins the nickel job this year. And in our defense corner is far from the least important position.

Post #17 » by **CBS7** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:45 am

The Bears don't run a true cover 2.

Howling Mad · Post #18 » by **Howling Mad** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:10 am

CBS7 wrote:The Bears don't run a true cover 2.

Very true, but I think iceness covered his rear by saying "base" cover 2.

The Bears usually have the 4-3 set, which is the personnel set for the cover 2, and occasionally flash the 4-6 Buddy Ryan set.

They also like to flash a cheap version of the 4-6 set by bringing a safety and a LB to the line of scrimmage, but without crowding the cornerbacks on the line.

Their mimic of the 4-6 set that the 85 Bears used usually has Urlacher closer to the line of scrimmage, compared to how Singletary use to lineup, but Urlacher is a lot faster than Singletary and can retreat to cover the third zone if they drop back to the cover 2.

^ They usually do that against running teams to bring the safety up to protect against the run, but Archuleta has been F'n that up with his broken tackles, and his repeated falling down habits. Ben Gordonish = Archuleta, minus the hot g/f.

EDIT: to add, in the normal 4-3 set where we play cover 2, corner back is the least important position. They're main responsibility is forcing the WR to the inside so the safety and middle linebacker can help on pass protection.

Thats why its important to have big CB (which we do in Tillman and Vasher, even Manning jr.), so they don't get beat by a jump ball to the outside of the field.

Our corners probably get more credit than they deserve because Urlacher covers so much of the field. This was more evident in 05 and 06. In 07 we had nobody playing consistent playing strong safety so our defensive philosophy had big holes.

Any veteran QB will throw to the middle of zones 2 and 3, to the sidelines, over the CB to beat our tampa/cover 2 defense.

This is a tough throw to make, and requires accuracy so you see a lot of young QBs struggling to succeed against the Bears.

Cliff Levingston · Post #19 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:26 pm

Cliff Levingston wasn't happy to see us drafting a cornerback when there were still some solid olinemen up, but hearing about his injuries and stuff, Cliff Levingston can live with it. If he does get past the injuries, maybe he becomes a really good nickel for us which would be helpful.

Chewie · Post #20 » by **Chewie** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:29 pm

FWIW....

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=405287

The Chicago Bears took the gamble on Nebraska cornerback Zachary Bowman at No. 142, believing he eventually will get back to his pre-injury form -- when he was the best cornerback in the country. Getting a 6-foot cornerback who runs the 40-yard dash in the 4.4-second range and was highly productive in college is rare. In our opinion, Bowman will prove to be the best cornerback in this draft -- once he gets healthy. ...