DE: Bazuin, Anderson, Brown

Howling Mad · Post #1 » by **Howling Mad** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:30 am

The defensive end position seems like an easy decision, but is it really?

Ogunleye is my only sure starter, other than that I question the other three, Bazuin, Anderson, and Brown.
Brown seems like the next choice as the starter oppo of Ogunleye, but for some reason he always starts the season on the bench, then about half way makes a claim for the starting job, mostly due to injury.
I think this is the year that Brown stays as a back up. For whatever reason the Bear coaching staff has never been a favorite of Brown. But that doesn't really matter. Every year he starts on the bench then slides in due to injury or lack of performance by another DE, then Brown over achieves and steals the DE starting job away.
Does Brown just always over achieve? ...is it over achieving or has Brown showed you enough to call him consistent?

Bazuin on the other hand, they have high, really high hopes for. Remember he was a second round pick who's been injured in recent years. Back from his college days and research from the 2007 draft, Bazuin is a high motor, high energy guy. He's said to out hustle most offensive lineman.

I know I know, right about now your thinking about Mark Anderson. He's good, but only in certain situations.

Bazuin is the real guy we want to succeed at DE. If he does Mark Anderson can return to rookie form, and Tommie Harris has an easier time sacking QBs. In the Bear defensive set from left to right, Bazuin, Harris, (Dvoracek?), Ogunleye.

Bazuin should have some benefit from teams doubling on Harris, and if Bazuin has any type of success, defensive coordinators will have a nightmare protecting that(most of the time) blindside, and thats barely mentioning Mark Anderson.

Anderson's double digit sacks were impressive and shocking for a rookie, a rookie drafted in the 5th round, but the main reason he was able to accomplish that is because of the situational circumstances Anderson was used in. Mark was often put in after consecutive running plays(which would likely be followed by a pass), or towards the end of quarters or halves(during times when the defense is looking forward to a breather). Pretty much a sack specialist.
His speed and explosion is only useful when another end has buttered up the lineman. Therefor the more success Bazuin can bring, the better possibilities for Harris and Anderson to fully reach their expectations.

So yes, my choice is Bazuin. In an ideal world, Brown would be the odd man out, although he has always proven to be useful at some point, hopefully Adewale doesn't get injured.

Chewie · Post #2 » by **Chewie** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:22 am

I think Brown's going to hold onto his starting job. The Bears realized late in the game Brown should have kept the job from the get-go after Anderson showed he was better utilized in passing downs. As a DE, Brown's an average pass rusher but above average versus the run. Bazuin's camp will be intriguing but I'm surprised you're picking him as the man to win the job given he's shown so little due to injury. Yeah, Bazuin was drafted in Rd2 but in typical Bears fashion he was probably a reach where he was taken. My bet is he rides the pines until one of the other 3 guys gets hurt. As a 4th DE, he he better bring something to the special teams otherwise he'll be looking over his shoulder at 7th RD pick Ervin Baldwin.

SLCceltic · Post #3 » by **SLCceltic** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:23 am

Bazuin would have to show a hell of a lot to start
I wasnt impressed with anything i saw in preseason from him

his dam shoulder pads were too big and he looked like Rudy
i know nothing about this guy except that a defensive expert picked him in the second round

educate me------i was shocked at how little i saw from him

AB and Ogunleye dont compliment each other, they have similar games....................unless tommie is playing

I like AB to start strong side with Anderson

Brett Farve winning a SB w/us is an ironically sweet dream beyond dreams
Garcia would be wonderful

heres to hoping

dingojazz · Post #4 » by **dingojazz** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:01 pm

To the original poster....you're overanalyzing this position.

Alex Brown is the best option to start opposite of 'Wale. He is the most consistent DE on the team in my opinion. He is solid against the run, and a decent pass rusher. He has great timing to bat down short passes and can drop into coverage. He also has a knack for stripping the ball from runners and QB's.

The Bears quickly learned that it was a mistake to start Mark Anderson over Brown in his second year, as he is best suited as a situational pass rusher (which is the role he will get back to this year).

And you want Bazuin to start? Bazuin is nobody until he proves otherwise. I would love to see him get in the DLine rotation, and get to the QB a few times. But there is no way in hell he starts over the veteran Brown or explosive Anderson.

Chewie · Post #5 » by **Chewie** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:42 pm

SLCceltic wrote:Bazuin would have to show a hell of a lot to start
I wasnt impressed with anything i saw in preseason from him

his dam shoulder pads were too big and he looked like Rudy
i know nothing about this guy except that a defensive expert picked him in the second round

educate me------i was shocked at how little i saw from him

lol - like Rudy ?!?

In Bazuin's defense, he was playing hurt in that preseason and was trying to convince the staff he was healthy enough that they wouldn't have to redshirt him. So, I'd reserve judgement on him until he shows what he can do this camp when he's 100%.

ChronicKerr · Post #6 » by **ChronicKerr** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:34 pm

No way Bazuin starts. He is the 4th DE and will be used as such. I'm not expecting anything great out of him to be honest. I agree that AB and Wale will be the starters with Anderson used in situational downs (passing downs as he isn't good against the run). DE is a position I'm very comfortable with what we got going into the season, however.

WAYSA · Post #7 » by **WAYSA** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:27 am

Bazuin is a bust. I thought this was common knowledge.

I've read/heard the exact opposite about the team being high on him.

Posey H8er · Post #8 » by **Posey H8er** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:33 am

WAYSA wrote:Bazuin is a bust. I thought this was common knowledge.

I've read/heard the exact opposite about the team being high on him.

The Bears coaches/players are still high on Rex Grossman. No one is going to say what they actually feel.

Howling Mad · Post #9 » by **Howling Mad** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:56 am

I think you guys are really cutting this guy short. A bust? Really? I don't understand that conclusion. He was drafted in 2007, then IRed for his first year because of injury.

From what I remember...

He started training camp in 07 with some knee problems. Then trying to win a role he impressed during the preseason, although not 100%. He seemed to fit perfect as a Bear DE because of his 6'3'' 270lbs frame(ideal) and his extremely high motor. Then in the final preseason he re aggravated the knee injury and was IRed.

Angelo likes to IR rookies, kinda like the college red-shirt.

So from what we saw of him, which was 3 preseason games, he looked good, good enough to hear that Alex Brown wouldn't be the starter. You have to remember in preseason of 07 we had Idonije playing end and weighing a lot less than his 300lbs now. We also didn't know what Mark Anderson was going to bring after his rookie season, although we had a hunch he was a 3rd down pass rusher specialist. But I will point out that it was only 3 preseason games. preseason.

Anderson is a lock at the 3rd DE, I don't think he can play 3 downs, and his contributions as a sack specialist are far greater than being an every down defensive end.

If Bazuin doesn't impress we stick with Brown and Ogunleye along with Anderson as the sub, and some Idonije slipping into both, DE/DT. I think having a four man rotation at DE is important and effective. So if Bazuin succeeds, Idonije stays mostly on special teams, being the emergency DT/DE substitute. Remember we lost Ayanbadejo, so Idonije will be counted on heavily with ST.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think we're primed for a big surprise with Bazuin. This guy was a stud in college. I know it was only the MAC conference, but the MAC conference is known for good QBs and this guy was sacking them. He had something like 70 tackles and 16 sacks his junior year, and 60 tackles and 10 sacks his senior year. Supposedly he greatly improved his run defense from junior to senior year. Also, he was a 3 time all-American, voted MAC conference DPOY, and had defensive player of the game in the east-west shrine game.

Chewie · Post #10 » by **Chewie** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:09 pm

I just think Brown looked awfully good once he got his job back. Given Bazuin is a 2nd rd pick and he's fulfilled the Lovie Smith-required "redshirt year", I'm sure he'll be given every chance to succeed in camp.

You can't have enough pass rushers and our current DE starters are 31 and 29 years old.

dingojazz · Post #11 » by **dingojazz** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:22 pm

Chewie wrote:I just think Brown looked awfully good once he got his job back. Given Bazuin is a 2nd rd pick and he's fulfilled the Lovie Smith-required "redshirt year", I'm sure he'll be given every chance to succeed in camp.

You can't have enough pass rushers and our current DE starters are 31 and 29 years old.

Well said...couldn't agree more.

Cliff Levingston · Post #12 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:20 pm

ICLO, DE is one of the no-brainer positions on the team:

LE 1 (1). Ogunleye
LE 2 (4). Bazuin

RE 1 (2). Brown
RE 2 (3). Anderson

Brown will start opposite Ogunleye since he's probably our most complete DE. Anderson and Bazuin will be used situationally and in place of injured players. Cliff Levingston personally loves the potential of an Anderson/Bazuin pass rush on 3rd and long.

blumeany · Post #13 » by **blumeany** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:17 pm

Brown basically embarrassed the Bears' coaching staff last year with his excellent play. The idea to move Anderson to DE full time was a poor choice. Whenever Brown was out there, he made a big impact and easily earned the starting job back. I think having Anderson, Brown and OGun play switcharoo works great for the Bears. It keeps the offense on its heels.

Posey H8er · Post #14 » by **Posey H8er** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:22 pm

I think we will be more surprised with the good play of Dusty Dvoracek and Marcus Harrison.

WAYSA · Post #15 » by **WAYSA** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:43 am

Bazuin is hurt already.

The guy is trash and should be treated like such until further notice.

Chewie · Post #16 » by **Chewie** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:16 am

WAYSA wrote:Bazuin is hurt already.

Link ?

SLCceltic · Post #17 » by **SLCceltic** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:30 am

Angelo is fantastic with defensive picks; that said, maybe we could move him on JA's reputation

Kinda how Danny Ainge did with Gerald Green in the KG deal

So,
Move Bazuins ass for an unproven OLman or pick while his stock is relatively decent

tclg · Post #18 » by **tclg** » Fri Aug 8, 2008 2:45 am

This is the position I am least worried about

WAYSA · Post #19 » by **WAYSA** » Fri Aug 8, 2008 5:18 am

Chewie wrote:
WAYSA wrote:Bazuin is hurt already.

Link ?

He's been nursing some minor knee injury or something.. I'm not going to look for a link since this old news, but he has missed a couple practices this year.

Did anyone see this clown tonight, btw? Absolutely dreadful and against 3rd stringers nonetheless.

Incredible 2nd round pick.. Just incredible. It made absolutely no sense at the time and to top it off the guy doesn't even deserve to be on the 53 man.

Was he seriously injured last year? I remember before he magically got hurt that he looked like absolute dog crap in camp and i read a quote that said he was one of the worst football players someone has ever seen. Great stuff.

Dan Bazuin - GTFO!

SLCceltic · Post #20 » by **SLCceltic** » Sat Aug 9, 2008 9:22 pm

You need to watch the game again and watch him every down Mi Amigo
He plays a lot like AB----who is not a pass rush specialist either
Bazuin is not a pass rush specialist by any means, but he got consistent pressure on the QB and made tackles all over the field--great motor and strength and very atheletic(a lot like AB)