QB situation

[dabullsn07]

I know sooo much has been made of the quarterback situation this season starting way back in OTAs. As a bears fan i'm getting sick of this offense expecting the defense to bail them out every game. They need to step up every once and a while and make a score or a play when it counts. For the offense not to cash in on a touchdown in the first half is what lost this game against Tampa. And for me the poor offense always starts with the quarterback and so far KO has looked mostly unimpressive, except for like a drive or two in each game. So my question is, is it time to see what Rex can do even if he isn't much better/how much of a leash should Lovie give KO if he continues to struggle and when should he bench him because this defense is too good to let things continue the way they are.

[VoiceofReason]

I get the feeling we'll see Rex in the next game since the Eagles are going to knock KO out of the game. Did anyone see what they did to Roethlisberger this week? Pittsburgh's O-line is better than ours. Watch out...

[dabullsn07]

After having about 24 hours to think about the game and the abomination that took place in the 4th Q and OT yesterday at Soldier Field, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to give Rex Grossman a chance. I know a lot of people don't like him but I think at this point he is an upgrade over Orton. We have seen what Orton can do and i must say I am not impressed. He is mildy inconsistent, doesn't know how to throw the long ball, and is not all that accurate. I agree Grossman might turn the ball over more but he might also put more points on the board for you. I think if you asked the defense right now, they would say that they want Grossman. They are sick of giving Orton unbelievable field position and having him and his offense squander it. I am not saying that Orton is completely at fault with what is happening right now but in this league when the offense struggle it is usually the QB who pays the price. Just like what happened in Minny and Tennessee, I think a change at the QB position would work wonders for this team right now. I am sick of the Defense having to be the only men on this team. The offense needs to rise up and play well when it counts.

Someone has to lose their job soon....Orton or Lovie

[CBS7]

Pittsburgh has the worst pass blocking offensive line in the league. Roethlisberger has been sacked either the most or 2nd most in the league the past few seasons.

Both sides only played a half. The defense was dominant one half but let up 3 huge drives in the 2nd half and overtime. The offense was piss poor in the first half but was excellent in the 2nd half.

As for Grossman, he sucks. I've seen enough of him throwing 3 picks a game, which he's done 6 times. Orton isn't much better, but I honestly think he has a better chance to become an average quarterback. I really hope this team drafts a QB in the first round next draft.

[WT]

It's amazing how quickly some people forget how awful Rex Grossman has proven himself to be. I don't think anyone is going to argue that Orton is the playmaker solution to the Bears offense. He's our best choice between two bad choices. If we get the same QB play we have these first 3 games then I'll be content with Orton's performance. He'll have provided stability until we can bring in a franchise QB (who can continue the long lineage of disappointing QB's) next year through the draft, trade, or FA.

[ChronicKerr]

I'd rather see Hanie then Grossman

[NoSkyy]

Gooo Matthew Stafford!

[The Sheik]

Eh you also have to blame Hillenmeyer for that awful job he did on Stevens in coverage. Everybody and their dog knew Griese was going to him on a post cut. The fact that Hillenmeyer didnt even try to force him to the sideline pissed me off more then Peanuts penalty or Goulds miss.

Orton is what he is, you cant blame him for the 2nd half, he got the job done and the for the 2nd week in a row the D ran out of gas. Orton didnt call the plays at the end. I love Forte, but if we dont establish another RB as a legit #2 he is going to get hurt or burn out at some point. We gotta give Jones and Wolfe at least 10 cpg.

[TNBT]

I don't get to see much of the games here, so I don't think I'm really qualified to give much of an opinion. However, it is pretty clear that neither Rex nor Orton are very good options for us. Of the two, I would have to say I have more faith in Rex than I do in Orton, but I don't think our offense is going to look very good regardless of who we play. We really need an upgrade at that position, but I don't see how it's going to come before the end of the season, so all we can really do for now is hope Forte holds up and pray that the defense can keep us in games.

[dougthonus]

It's amazing how quickly some people forget how awful Rex Grossman has proven himself to be. I don't think anyone is going to argue that Orton is the playmaker solution to the Bears offense. He's our best choice between two bad choices. If we get the same QB play we have these first 3 games then I'll be content with Orton's performance. He'll have provided stability until we can bring in a franchise QB (who can continue the long lineage of disappointing QB's) next year through the draft, trade, or FA.

It's amazing how people only focus on the bad games Rex has had and forget that he actually has ability to win games too.

Orton does not seem to possess the ability to win games. He possesses the ability to play ultra conservative or to lose games. If you reigned Rex in until you needed him, you could get the same pluses and still let him go into gunslinger mode if you need to.

[Chewie]

It's amazing how people only focus on the bad games Rex has had and forget that he actually has ability to win games too.

Orton does not seem to possess the ability to win games. He possesses the ability to play ultra conservative or to lose games. If you reigned Rex in until you needed him, you could get the same pluses and still let him go into gunslinger mode if you need to.

Reigning in Rex is a tall order, though, and I don't think he's ever going to learn how to step up in the pocket, learn when to take a sack, have a feel for when a blind-side defender is creeping up on him, or know when to tuck the ball and run with it.

You get the highest highs and lowest lows with Rex as evidenced by some of his weekly '06 QB ratings. Just no consistency on a week to week basis.

You'll get this one week :
Wk2 vs DET: 20/27 289 yds, 4TDs, 0 INTs, 0 sacks 148.0rating (!)

And this another :
WK6 @ ARI: 14/37 144 yds, 0TDs, 4 INTs, 2 sacks, 10.2 rating (!!)

You CAN win with Rex, no doubt, but you're probably going to directly lose a handful because of his bone-headed plays as well. The thinking with Orton is that you're going to get consistency and cut down on the picks and fumbled snaps and we'll take our chances with the running game, defense, and special teams. Is this optimal ? Exciting? Not even close but it'll have to do until a better option comes along.

[chitownsports4ever]

This is a developmental year for Orton to see what he can do with a expanded playbook and a firm grasp of the offense and so far the only issue is he hasnt been able to hip deep consistently. At 25 I think he will be a much better QB by game 16 then he was in game 1 . Hes shown good pocket awareness and had a solid presence even though we all know our O-line is as fragile as they come. Of course you are always looking for a franchise QB if you can get one but you still have got to try and develop the ones that you have if you can.

[batman_crip14]

It's amazing how quickly some people forget how awful Rex Grossman has proven himself to be. I don't think anyone is going to argue that Orton is the playmaker solution to the Bears offense. He's our best choice between two bad choices. If we get the same QB play we have these first 3 games then I'll be content with Orton's performance. He'll have provided stability until we can bring in a franchise QB (who can continue the long lineage of disappointing QB's) next year through the draft, trade, or FA.

It's amazing how people only focus on the bad games Rex has had and forget that he actually has ability to win games too.

Orton does not seem to possess the ability to win games. He possesses the ability to play ultra conservative or to lose games. If you reigned Rex in until you needed him, you could get the same pluses and still let him go into gunslinger mode if you need to.

Yea why is that people only remember Rex's bad games. I understand they were bad, but he also had good and to great games. He has done more great than bad, but people mostly blame him for the loss on the Super-Bowl, but I guarantee you that the loss was a complete team loss. ((the loss was in the same way we loss the to the Bucs, with our D playing conservative and the Colts/Bucs dinking and dunking there way through the D and our O not executing and our ST basically outsmarted)) But when people say he had good or great games are due to the Defense/ST giving a big hand, Isn't that what we are hoping for with Orton trying to capitalize on, the D/ST? But when Orton doesn't perform, and perform i mean MANAGE, it seems that D/ST gets most of the blame because of the D/ST not doing they're part. I understand we have one of the best D/ST, but they won't always perform the wetdream we think of. So if the D/ST don't "help" Orton, he is at best trying to manage a losing game, correct? If we know he is a manager, then that is all he can do then right? Random quarter spurts won't do us any good, so if anything we have 2 inconsistant quarterbacks. But of the two Quarterbacks, who would you rather have in there, a manager who "DREAMS on settling for FGs" or "phuk it, i am slinging it there, going for the score"?

[Cliff Levingston]

People only remember Rex's bad games because his good games came when the league didn't really have a good book on him. Before he tore his ACL then later broke his leg, he started only 6 games. When he eventually came back from those injuries, he was a different kind of QB.

Early in '06, teams stacked the box against us and didn't really bring a lot of pressure, essentially asking Rex to beat them. He did in emphatic fashion. But then, teams started bringing the heat on Rex especially up the middle. There's probably no worse QB in the league than Rex at handling pressure up the middle. He will not keep his eyes down field and take a couple steps to the side to get a throw off. Instead, he'll try to bail out backwards and end up losing a few more yards than he otherwise would have because he's very slow. It's painfully apparent that Rex is always worried about getting hurt back there which is why he doesn't step up into the pocket and take hits in order to complete throws down field.

The reality is that we don't have a good QB between Orton and Grossman; we know what we'll get from them and it's not even average. IF we continue to lose, we might as well run Hanie out there and see what he can do. He's at least got a pocket presence and the ability to make things happen with his legs.

[dougthonus]

People only remember Rex's bad games because his good games came when the league didn't really have a good book on him. Before he tore his ACL then later broke his leg, he started only 6 games. When he eventually came back from those injuries, he was a different kind of QB.

I agree, and I don't think Rex is a great QB. I think he's better than Orton, but definitely still has issues.

The reality is that we don't have a good QB between Orton and Grossman; we know what we'll get from them and it's not even average. IF we continue to lose, we might as well run Hanie out there and see what he can do. He's at least got a pocket presence and the ability to make things happen with his legs.

I agree except for running Hanie out there. There's basically no chance this guy's a competent NFL QB, and if there is a chance running him out there behind a horrid line with poor WRs isn't going to do any good.

The Bears need to get a FA QB or get lucky in the draft, and if they get lucky in the draft they're going to have to wait three years.