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Yahoo Sports: Denver plans to deal Cutler (Page 5)
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 2:57 pm
by Chewie
ESPN reporting Cutler wants out after being dangled in trade talks.
Source: Spurned Cutler wants to be traded
February 28, 2009 7:30 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson
The Denver Broncos may have seriously damaged their relationship with quarterback Jay Cutler.
A source close to the situation confirmed the Broncos were trying to acquire quarterback Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots by dangling Cutler, their Pro Bowl quarterback.
The trade talk infuriated Cutler, who now wants to leave the Broncos.
The source said the proposed trade was a three-way deal that would have sent Cassel to Denver to reunite with former Patriots offensive coordinator and new Denver head coach Josh McDaniels, Cutler to Tampa Bay and compensation from Tampa Bay to New England.
Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel were traded Saturday to Denver's AFC West rival Kansas City for a second-round pick.
A source close to the situation told ESPN.com that the Broncos pursued the trade because McDaniels wanted to be reunited with Cassel, who excelled under McDaniels last season as an injury replacement for Tom Brady.
In the aftermath of the trade Saturday, Cutler asked permission to find his own trade partner but was denied by the Broncos, according to the source. Cutler is still hopeful he will be traded because he feels betrayed by McDaniels, the source said.
The source said Denver is no longer interested in dealing Cutler, who made the Pro Bowl in 2008, his second full season as a starter. The source said Tampa Bay, Detroit and Chicago could be possible destinations if Cutler gets his way and is traded. The source pointed out that until Cutler heard about the trade talks Saturday, he was completely happy playing for McDaniels and being in Denver.
It may be difficult for Denver to trade Cutler now because there are no other quality quarterbacks available. It would be silly to trade him to the Lions for the No. 1 overall pick and try to draft Georgia's Matthew Stafford or USC's Mark Sanchez. Neither of those players is a known commodity, while Cutler has blossomed into one of the NFL's better quarterbacks.
Denver has to regain Cutler's trust immediately or this could turn into one of the NFL's uglier situations.
The source said that while Denver hopes to smooth the situation over, Cutler probably will seek to depart Denver as a restricted free agent in two years. Cutler signed a six-year deal with the Broncos after he was drafted with the No. 11 overall pick in 2006.
The source said Cutler was hurt by the news that McDaniels wanted to start his Denver tenure with Cassel and not him.
"The relationship has been tarnished," the source said. "I think it's beyond repair."
Cutler expressed displeasure when Denver fired coach Mike Shanahan in December. However, he has been publicly supportive of McDaniels and had several good meetings with the coach in the weeks since McDaniels took over. The source said Cutler was confused by the trade talk.
"It's like a knife to Jay's heart," the source said. "It will be hard for him to get past this."
McDaniels will be able to get past this issue, but it may take some time. The Broncos sold McDaniels' hiring as a chance for Cutler to flourish. Seven weeks later, the pairing has taken a sudden and potentially disastrous turn.
With Cassel now in KC, this may be a moot point but if Cutler continues to make a stink and the relationship is irreparable, this could be worth looking into as he's going right into his prime years. I'm sure he'd be REAL excited about the current receiving corps of Hester, Bennett, and Davis !
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:40 pm
by Balance-a-Bull
It would be a major steal for us to snag Cutler away from Denver and definitely worth looking into.
I am not sure if they or anyone considers Orton to be a quality QB, but if Denver would want Orton... I would include in a trade proposal.
Cutler would have to crazy not want an opportunity to throw to the highly prolific and productive receivers on the Bears.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:09 pm
by SLCceltic
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 6:48 pm
by Chewie
SLCceltic wrote:I have been so pissed ever since i read that Cassel was given up for a secend rounder
What the hell is wrong with the NFL and their love of draft pix-----has D Snyder tainted everyone or what
The fact the Lions didn't want to give up their 2nd rd pick (which is better than KC's) despite having the #1 and #20 picks in Rd1 tells me either : a)They don't like Cassel or b) They're going QB with that #1 overall pick.
I thought they'd get more for Cassel. I guess teams didn't think he'd flourish outside of the Pats' system and may have been scared by his lack of college experience.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 7:35 pm
by NoSkyy
I actually heard that Chiefs offered the 1st and Pats were like, "naw man, we don't want to pay that much for a player. We'll take the second"
That's interesting to say the least.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 9:46 pm
by Friend_Of_Haley
NoSkyy wrote:I actually heard that Chiefs offered the 1st and Pats were like, "naw man, we don't want to pay that much for a player. We'll take the second"
That's interesting to say the least.
This isn't serious is it?
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Sun Mar 1, 2009 10:20 pm
by emperorjones
I don't think that trade had anything to do with anything other than personal friendships. I read the Pats turned down the #12 for Cassel alone. Its not the money for the draft pick. last year they drafted #10 and got the def player of the year. It was an inside deal that was only available to their guy who is now on the Cheifs IMO.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:27 pm
by SportsWorld
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribu ... match.htmlAlthough ESPN reported that an irate Jay Cutler wanted to be traded, don't expect anything to happen with the Denver Broncos quarterback and the Chicago Bears.
ESPN's Bill Williamson listed Chicago as a possible destination. But Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, told the Tribune he has heard nothing about any connection between his client and the Bears.
The Bears might bring in a veteran backup behind Kyle Orton, but it is highly unlikely they would trade for a bonafide starter such a Cutler. The organization already has expressed great support for Orton and doesn't want to betray him.
So diehards, do you think the Bears should make a move for Cutler regardless? The Broncos are sure to smooth things out with their Pro Bowler, but you never know.
UPDATE: And by the way, it appears two of the Bears' division rivals are getting in on the Cutler talks.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11815666Christ if the Lions or Vikings end up with Cutler I'm done with this organization. Okay a little overdoing it but I'd still be PO'ed.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:29 pm
by Chewie
Sure....wouldn't want to betray Orton and try to make the team better or anything.
I mean, Orton's feelings come first, right ? Gawd.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:47 pm
by Balance-a-Bull
Why would we want a pro bowl quarterback when we have Orton.
We never had a pro bowl QB , why do we want one now.
Bears philosophy is to get off the bus running the ball with manager at QB....expect nothing more.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:19 pm
by SportsWorld
The Bears wouldn't find a good QB at a Manning reunion.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:17 am
by SportsWorld
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ch ... 2783.storyDan Patrick: You grew up in Indiana--are you a Colts fan?
Jay Cutler: I'm a Bear fan.
Patrick: Would you like to play for the Bears?
Cutler: Yeah, I wouldn't mind playing for the Bears.
—WMVP-AM 1000 interview
Yes, on March 2, Jay Cutler confessed to a national radio audience that he grew up a Bears fan and wanted to play for his favorite team.
March 2, 2006, that is.
Back then, Cutler was coming out of Vanderbilt pegged as the first-round draft pick he would become. Monday, Cutler was just a disgruntled Denver Bronco teasing all NFL general managers in search of franchise quarterbacks by acting like a guy who wants to be traded.
Jerry Angelo, please indulge us by paying attention.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:12 am
by NoSkyy
Honestly, if someone says "I want to play for the Bears" I think the management thinks they have something wrong with their head and makes an effort NOT to sign them/trade for them by not paying attention.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:20 am
by Chewie
Cutler's agent says he hasn't even heard from the Bears.
Wouldn't you owe it to your team and fans to AT LEAST check out the situation? Are we that friggin' content to stand pat with a team that didn't even make the playoffs?
What's changed so far this offseason ? We've lost our starting RT to retirement, we will lose our starting FS to free agency, our starting LT isn't signed and he was a Jared Allen turn-style to begin with but, hey, we signed an unproven career backup OL so look out world! And I wouldn't want to forget how Rod Marinelli is supposed to make all our defensive line dreams come true....
This must be some hell of a draft Angelo has planned because I'm not seeing how we're supposed to be any better than last year.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:25 am
by chitownsports4ever
Who is to say Orton doesnt develop into a pro bowl caliber player ?
We should pursue every avenue but all we can do is call the Broncos gm thats it if he says nothing is happening all we can do is walk away.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:21 pm
by Chewie
chitownsports4ever wrote:Who is to say Orton doesnt develop into a pro bowl caliber player ?
Hello, Jerry Angelo.
We should pursue every avenue but all we can do is call the Broncos gm thats it if he says nothing is happening all we can do is walk away.
Step 1 is actually making that call.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:56 pm
by chitownsports4ever
Ortons first full season a starter numbers are very similar to Cutlers . Ortons numbers for the first half were actually very similar to Cutlers first half numbers this year. There are no guarantees but this is about where you projects Ortons growth in our current system and in our curent system he can put up Cutler like numbers .
Who is to say Angelo didnt call the Broncos gm and he shot down the rumors ? Thats all the bears can do the tampering issue is watched closely and Cutler is under contract with the Broncos and they havent given him permission to pursue a trade. I like Cutler but I dont want the Bears losing picks over a player they have very little real chance of obtaining.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:20 pm
by fleet
^^^If hes on the block, the Bears would have as good a shot as anybody. And if hes on the block, theres no tampering charge in the mix. Calling a GM is not tampering. I don't know what you are talking about as the Bears weren't the party that started the Cutler stuff. Cutler started it, and he won't talk to anybody unless the Broncos let him. We all know calling the Broncos is all the Bears can do and we expect them to do just that. Not that they would being the stick in the mud McCaskeys. Don't go putting up faux obstacles to trades and aquisitions ALA every Chicago sports organization I have ever seen in my life Chi. It is depressing and reminds us all of excusemaking Chicago GMs and ownership in all the sports throughout our lives.
If you want to talk about Orton Vs Cutler, thats fair game. Though I don't agree that they are the same kinds of athletes whatsoever. Anyway, my take on (Orton) "projected growth" is....Screw that. I am sick and freaking tired of the Bears thinking they can outsmart the NFL and play with projects and cheap alternatives at the most important position on the field WITHOUT EXPLORING OTHER ALTERNATIVES and putting all the chips on the defense. That is not a plan. Its just not. Not a good one anyway. But thats me. You like crap Bears football? I keep hearing that Chicago fans LUUUUUV Bears football. You know, all defense no offense sans handing the ball off over and over to some poor suicidal sap charging into an 8 man front no quarterback cold weather crapola. My thinking is, give a starving for a QB Bears fan a real pro bowl type QB in his prime who can run a great west coast offense or something else exiting and point producing and they might actually forget who the hell Brian Urlacher ever was. Brian who? I hate myths. And I hate the myth that this is what we like to see. Uhhhh, no. We tolerate it because we love the Bears. But the McCaskey/Jedi mind trick has worn off for me like 20 years ago. Riding a mediocre QB like Orton is a great plan. Great. And pretty doggone typical. Heres a clue to the difference anyway. Opposing defensive coordinaters dare Orton to throw on them. Dare. They don't do that to Cutler. I wonder why. Ask them why if you doubt them. End of story. Don't tell us Orton equals Cutler until you can convince a pro defense designer that he doesn't know what the hell hes doing.
I heard Jiggets talking on getting Cutler this morning, and I've got to say it makes too much sense to get done. Ah there I go depressing my damn self
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:50 pm
by fleet
awesome just awesome. I think I will run my Kyle Orton flag up the pole tonight.
Broncos: We're Not Trading Cutler
3rd March, 2009 - 11:55 pm
CBS Denver - The Denver Broncos have told CBS4 Broncos Insider Gary Miller, the team is absolutely not going to trade quarterback Jay Cutler.
Head Coach Josh McDaniels will have a face-to-face meeting with Cutler sometime next week when the quarterback is due to return to Colorado
well, anycase it was fun reading that the Bears probably did not lift a finger exploring this. Yeah yeah it was because they knew the Broncos were not going to trade Cutler, not because the Bears wouldn't be interested in a real live QB. Of course that would have been the reason. Of course.
And I will have to soon adopt my Bulls watching philosophy of not expecting much without getting too angry. But its easier with the Bulls, they gave me 6 rings not all that long ago. The Bears, they try me. They really do. Because they cling to a generally losing philosophy thats never ever been changed. I swear they hope they never do have to pay a pro bowler QB and a first rate modern offense. If they ever get one (QB), it won't be because they wanted one.
Re: Cutler a possibility ?
Posted: Thu Mar 5, 2009 3:49 am
by Chewie
fleetwood macbull wrote:awesome just awesome. I think I will run my Kyle Orton flag up the pole tonight.
Broncos: We're Not Trading Cutler
3rd March, 2009 - 11:55 pm
CBS Denver - The Denver Broncos have told CBS4 Broncos Insider Gary Miller, the team is absolutely not going to trade quarterback Jay Cutler.
Head Coach Josh McDaniels will have a face-to-face meeting with Cutler sometime next week when the quarterback is due to return to Colorado
well, anycase it was fun reading that the Bears probably did not lift a finger exploring this. Yeah yeah it was because they knew the Broncos were not going to trade Cutler, not because the Bears wouldn't be interested in a real live QB. Of course that would have been the reason. Of course.
And I will have to soon adopt my Bulls watching philosophy of not expecting much without getting too angry. But its easier with the Bulls, they gave me 6 rings not all that long ago. The Bears, they try me. They really do. Because they cling to a generally losing philosophy thats never ever been changed. I swear they hope they never do have to pay a pro bowler QB and a first rate modern offense. If they ever get one (QB), it won't be because they wanted one.
I swear it seems like we'll never have a bona fide franchise QB on this team. That seems to be the philosophy for years - a game manager at QB, a good RB, hope that defense and special teams grind out a win for you. It's become "Bears football" but really it's just an excuse for a team that's incapable of drafting/developing a QB or finding one on the market either via trade or free agency.
I can't even imagine how nuts this city would go over a QB that put up pro-bowl numbers. It's but a pipe dream, though...
