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(Disclaimer: I know Lovie has 2 years left on his contract, so let's skip the 'the McCaskey's will never leave money on the table argument)

1. Is it me, or under Lovie has this team lost (and in most cases lost badly) the games that carried the most importance? Games that either decided their fate or games that were a matter of pride - like this game playing vs. Benson. It seems like whenever the plan called for the coach to really ramp up his team and have them lazer-beam focused, the Bears came out totally flat.

2. The Tampa 2 is dead - or at the very least it is dead to the Bears. It was a great system in Tampa when you had an elite line and elite defensive players behind them. Even healthy, we don't have that. Now, either management has to completely reshuffle the roster and by some miracle get these elite players, or they have to drop the system altogether and find a system that fits the players.

Now, this isn't to say that ownership, management, and the players don't take part in the blame - but launching this coaching staff is the first step in the process. We don't have many draft picks next year, so we probably won't have much to fall back on in terms of new, young talent. We need a coach that has a different system and the ability to actually coach up players and get them to play beyond their potential.

I actually think Lovie should go but not for the reasons you mentioned (although the Tampa 2 argument does hold some weight). This team just looks woefully unprepared at times, especially the last two weeks. They were caught off guard by Atlanta running no huddle, even though it's pretty much common knowledge that they do (that everyone does, really). And they looked shellshocked by the all-around offensive attack by the Bengals yesterday. Guys were in the wrong places or were beat badly. And that's the aspect of the game that Lovie calls, that Lovie oversees.

Only 1 game this season have the Bears come out and played well in the 1st quarter and that was the Atlanta game and Cutler ended up ruining that great 1st drive with a pick in the red zone. Think about it, the Bears came out flat in the Green Bay game, the Steelers game, the Seahawks game against a team that was missing 7 or so starters, and even the Lions game. Oh and not to mention getting down 14-0 within 6 minutes this week.

I honestly wouldn't mind if we lose the majority of our remaining games so that there could be a complete overhaul.

I think if the Bears miss the playoffs with 8 wins or less, Lovie and Ron Turner are gone.

as difficult as it is to change coaching staffs (you basically have to allow several years before a new system is perfected) -- at a certain point it becomes the only option. we, sadly, have reached that point. i am hoping that Lovie will be let go immediately following the last game of the season. i would definitely consider Mike Shanahan a significant upgrade.

SportsWorld wrote:I think if the Bears miss the playoffs with 8 wins or less, Lovie and Ron Turner are gone.

I would tend to disagree because Bears management is extremely hesitant to eat money. And that would mean eating Lovie's contract.

I think we're stuck with Lovie unless something very drastic happens.

Our team sucks, we will hopefully get some penetration now with Rod Marinelli but the fact remains that we need to do something.

We need an offensive line coach or something becasuse right now, our line looks pathetic,

we need an offensive Cordnaor who is not going to fall in love with the pass. and Yes, I am putting this on Ron Turner. Forte ran 6 times for 24 yards yesterday, actualy not too bad in all honesty, a 4 yard average yet for some reason we we just give up on the run. WTF. Ron Turner needs the boot.

Our D is pathetic, but in not sure that we can exactly blame Lovie people. we have been getting to the QB, but when you are down 2 of your best players, its hard to be a good D, especialy when those 2 possision are key in the Tampa 2, With our lack of tallent at CB, and our safties realy sucking in coverage. I dont know how we can expect to do much. Urlacher is our heart of the D, and pisa was suposed to realy help us, both in coverae and against the run. without both of them, we are in trouble.

Kyben36 wrote:Our D is pathetic, but in not sure that we can exactly blame Lovie people.

Because he's the one calling the plays and this defensive formation obviously isn't working. Didn't work last year either. In fact, hasn't worked since the Super Bowl.

we have been getting to the QB

I'm guessing you missed last game. Carson Palmer could have sat on a lawn chair and still throw for 400 yards.

SportsWorld wrote:

Kyben36 wrote:Our D is pathetic, but in not sure that we can exactly blame Lovie people.

Because he's the one calling the plays and this defensive formation obviously isn't working. Didn't work last year either. In fact, hasn't worked since the Super Bowl.

Possibly the biggest limb Lovie has put himself on in his coaching career and the limb is getting sawed off.

Kyben36 wrote:Our team sucks, we will hopefully get some penetration now with Rod Marinelli but the fact remains that we need to do something.

We need an offensive line coach or something becasuse right now, our line looks pathetic,

we need an offensive Cordnaor who is not going to fall in love with the pass. and Yes, I am putting this on Ron Turner. Forte ran 6 times for 24 yards yesterday, actualy not too bad in all honesty, a 4 yard average yet for some reason we we just give up on the run. WTF. Ron Turner needs the boot.

Our D is pathetic, but in not sure that we can exactly blame Lovie people. we have been getting to the QB, but when you are down 2 of your best players, its hard to be a good D, especialy when those 2 possision are key in the Tampa 2, With our lack of tallent at CB, and our safties realy sucking in coverage. I dont know how we can expect to do much. Urlacher is our heart of the D, and pisa was suposed to realy help us, both in coverae and against the run. without both of them, we are in trouble.

6 rushes is extreme, but when you go down 14-0 so early, your hand gets forced.

Still, fire Turner.

Why have we only used the Wildcat formation once this season? It's been pretty successful around the league and we have Hester who could be one of the most dangerous weapons in the league if used properly in the formation.

SportsWorld wrote:Why have we only used the Wildcat formation once this season? It's been pretty successful around the league and we have Hester who could be one of the most dangerous weapons in the league if used properly in the formation.

The only team using that formation with any success is the Dolphins. Dolphins are good at it because it's a staple of their offense, not a gimmick thing they use once or twice a game. Besides, with the offensive line being as bad as it is, I don't think the Bears could pull it off.

Both Bear lines are terrible, which means we are going nowhere. The lines are the foundation of the team. With good D and O Lines, you can make up for any deficiencies on the rest of your team. An average quarterback gets lauded a great quarterback, an average back runs for a career year, an average safety or corner has a career year in interceptions. All of these things start with the line - and ours flat out suck. There is no way we turn this around unless Lovie finally says 'enough' and swaps out some players - and/or he begins to scheme to mask our weaknesses, instead of being stubborn and sticking with the status quo.

And this week vs. Cleveland is not a measuring stick at all - only if we lose.

Unless Angelo is going with him it would be pointless all he knows is cover two

blumeany wrote:Both Bear lines are terrible, which means we are going nowhere. The lines are the foundation of the team. With good D and O Lines, you can make up for any deficiencies on the rest of your team. An average quarterback gets lauded a great quarterback, an average back runs for a career year, an average safety or corner has a career year in interceptions. All of these things start with the line - and ours flat out suck. There is no way we turn this around unless Lovie finally says 'enough' and swaps out some players - and/or he begins to scheme to mask our weaknesses, instead of being stubborn and sticking with the status quo.

And this week vs. Cleveland is not a measuring stick at all - only if we lose.

Great post.

The D and O lines are the foundation of a team and both of ours are horrendously putrid , which is why we are in the position we are in.

Something has to change and it has it has to change soon.