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Post#1 » by HoustonRockets » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:28 pm

for the rockets not only to make the playoffs but to go deep... personally i feel this is the year we get past the first round...but how deep into the playoffs we go is on the Morey.

Pros:
-Team has learned how to win down the stretch
-We are starting to gain momentum in to the break
-Injuries are staying to a minimum.
-Playoff spot is realistic now
-Rookie PF's, Scola and Landry, are looking great.

Cons:
-Still need to improve on 3pt shooting.
-PG position is inconsistent for a contending team
-West is as competetive as ever

Step1: Trade 2008 1st Round Pick, James, Snyder, and possible 2009 2nd for PG Mike Bibby.

Step 2: Trade Novak, Bonzi, and Francis for Mike Miller.

C-Yao/Scola/Deke
PF-Scola/Landry/Hayes
SF-Battier/Miller
SG-Tmac/Miller/Head
PG-Bibby/Alston /Brooks

They must establish themselves as a powerhouse...
And we need to have a win ratio of 5win:1loss for the rest of the season

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Post#2 » by manun » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:51 pm

I cant see any of the 2 trades happening.

Im still hoping for Artest.
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Post#3 » by King Roosk » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:32 pm

If either of those 2 trades, let alone both of them happend then I'd be very optimistic about this team.

Personally, I think Mike Bibby could be the answer. I've been a Rafer supporter since day 1, and I've been pretty happy with him this year. However, considering how effing stacked the WC has gotten, Rafer's inconsistency is simply not enough to get us out of the 1st round. The Rockets have lacked a consistently good PG for a long time now, and I think Bibby could be the piece that would get us out of the 1st round and possibly further. He's a very capable offensive player as we all know. He's a decent passer, a good 3 pt shooter, and he's familiar with Adelman. Also, Rafer would be a great backup PG, possibly the best backup in the league. I just don't think (assuming we can make the playoffs) that Brooks will be able to get us over the hump in a 7 game series against a good team.

Mike Miller would be an amazing player to have alongside Yao and Mac, but I think our success is going to start with a consistently good 3rd option at PG.
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Post#4 » by moofs » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:47 pm

Problem being, the Bibby trade wouldn't happen, and the Miller trade wouldn't either unless the Grizz owner is hell bent on dumping every ounce of salary he can.

I ran up a possible trade for Sczerbiak that should work for Miller as well, although in either case it might be a little big sweet from our side.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... 9&start=72

How was Bibby injured earlier this season? Not too sure what we could realistically offer the Kings to get him, but it seems like Brooks or Alston would have to be involved. I've said before that I wouldn't mind getting Bibby, I just can't see any good trade scenarios with the Kings.
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Post#5 » by King Roosk » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:59 pm

moofs wrote:Problem being, the Bibby trade wouldn't happen, and the Miller trade wouldn't either unless the Grizz owner is hell bent on dumping every ounce of salary he can.

I ran up a possible trade for Sczerbiak that should work for Miller as well, although in either case it might be a little big sweet from our side.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... 9&start=72

How was Bibby injured earlier this season? Not too sure what we could realistically offer the Kings to get him, but it seems like Brooks or Alston would have to be involved. I've said before that I wouldn't mind getting Bibby, I just can't see any good trade scenarios with the Kings.


I made a thread on the Kings board inquiring about Bibby. For Artest, the Kings apparently want expirings and picks. I don't know what they want for Bibby yet (waiting on a reply), but if it's the same deal for Bibby then we might have something to offer. Who all do we have that is expiring? Because if we have enough expiring pieces to couple with picks then I'd be all in. I know Bibby's expensive (I think 14 mil/yr), but the NBA has gotten to a point where you're going to have to invest some money if you want a championship caliber team.

As for Szczerbiak, there's no way I'd trade for him. I initially wanted to trade for Szczerbiak, but I wasn't aware of his fat contract. A guy like Bibby is worth the price, because I think our 3rd option needs to be our PG (right now it is...Rafer's the 3rd leading scorer on the team which is not a good sign IMO). However, Szczerbiak makes way too much money for a shooter we'd bring off the bench.
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Post#6 » by Amel » Tue Feb 5, 2008 7:18 pm

getting those two guys would make us a top contender for the finals

one of the trades is possible
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Post#7 » by McTracy » Tue Feb 5, 2008 8:32 pm

I don't care as long as we are winnin'. Maybe we haven't played really great since Warriors game but we have been winnin' and that's the key
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Post#8 » by BaYBaller » Tue Feb 5, 2008 9:04 pm

Those trades are not realistic at all. Nor is acquiring any big name PGs because we don't have the expirings that these teams want. Nobody will take James contract in a trade, nobody. If the Rockets could just waive him and not pay him they would.

The only realistic way we're going to improve our PG spot is through the draft or grabbing another teams second or third-unit PGs on the cheap. A scoring PG is probably one of the easiest positions to fill in the draft or on the cheap as the league is full of them. The Rockets 10-15 mil in salaries comes off the books after this year too which may help in acquiring a PG.

But for this season all signs point to up riding it out with our current roster.
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Post#9 » by moofs » Tue Feb 5, 2008 9:05 pm

King Roosk wrote:I made a thread on the Kings board inquiring about Bibby. For Artest, the Kings apparently want expirings and picks. I don't know what they want for Bibby yet (waiting on a reply), but if it's the same deal for Bibby then we might have something to offer. Who all do we have that is expiring? Because if we have enough expiring pieces to couple with picks then I'd be all in. I know Bibby's expensive (I think 14 mil/yr), but the NBA has gotten to a point where you're going to have to invest some money if you want a championship caliber team.

As for Szczerbiak, there's no way I'd trade for him. I initially wanted to trade for Szczerbiak, but I wasn't aware of his fat contract. A guy like Bibby is worth the price, because I think our 3rd option needs to be our PG (right now it is...Rafer's the 3rd leading scorer on the team which is not a good sign IMO). However, Szczerbiak makes way too much money for a shooter we'd bring off the bench.


For Sczerbiak, I wouldn't do that trade either. Not just because of the huge contract. I was just pointing out that it wouldn't be horrible, and was nowhere near as bad as most trades that get proposed on here. Miller would be better, but much harder to get (Seattle would probably just like to dump Szcerbiak at this point).

Bibby is 13.5 and 14.5 mil.

Kinda upsetting that Bibby is our best option at upgrading PG, considering how unlikely that trade is.

What I haven't done is a rundown of all the SG/SFs that would fit in the mold I described earlier. I'd be interested to see that one...
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Post#10 » by DraftBoy10 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:45 pm

I'm pretty sure we can send Battier, Novak, plus multiple 2nd rounders, cash for Ron Artest. If they want expirings, they can include a 3rd team and I'm sure there are plenty of 3rd teams offering an expiring + little more for Battier.
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Post#11 » by jove9 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 12:33 am

King Roosk wrote:
...but the NBA has gotten to a point where you're going to have to invest some money if you want a championship caliber team.


The NBA has also gotten to a point where even though you DO invest money in a team, all you'll have is an overpaid group of selfish has-beens.

Exhibit A: the NY Knicks

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