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Post#21 » by TMU » Fri May 9, 2008 6:47 am

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i hate it. any starting lineup that has tracy mcgrady at pg is bad imo. mcgrady needs to do more work off the ball next year and get some higher% shots and more points. He can still be a great distributor, but making him the primary playmakers isn't a good idea.

as much as i'd love mike miller the 3 isn't where our shooting deficiencies need to be addressed. as much as i like rafer's ability to take care of the ball and make good passes his shooting(or lack thereof) is killing us. I'd rather address that, ideally getting kirk hinrich, before making any trades for mike miller who will essentially give us another 6-8 swing.


Agreed on all points.
We need to re-examine why we traded for McGrady in 2004. This guy was a 28 ppg scorer with 6 boards and 6 assists prior to the deal. I know he has fallen off those standards, but I refuse to see this management pay him close to 20 million dollars just to see him rack up 10 assists with 15 points on 42% shooting. With his God given talent, his primacy should be scoring and keep us in ball games. However, if he can't offer that we must look to trade him.

Also, our SF spot is the least of our concern. And I am not that concern with Rafer but I think our bench needs a significant improvement. If we acquire Mike Miller in a deal (of course without giving up Shane), he is better suited coming off the bench. Again, this is due to two main reasons: Shane Battier and our lack of offensive production off the bench.

Many of you have pointed out that Shane Battier is not a bench player and this is true due to many obvious reasons. In fact every team needs a low usage% player like Battier whose priority is to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player and hit open shots on the offensive end.

And as you saw from our yet another first round exit, we didn't have anyone to ignite our offense off the bench. Bobby Jackson and Carl Landry were supposed to be the players that fit the description, but both failed. Having Miller will change that aspect. Not only is he a great shooter, but he's also capable of creating his own shots. Moreover, he's one of the few cerebral players we have in this league. He is a fairly good rebounder, and an underrated passer. Without a doubt, he will be an instant force on this team.

However, if we were to trade Miller while giving up Battier, I am all against it. Shane is arguably our best defender, and we'll take a significant hit if we lose him.
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Post#22 » by Shabi__5 » Fri May 9, 2008 11:49 am

I will give anything besides Yao , T-Mac , Scola , Landry and Battier.
Even a package of 2 1st round draft picks plus expirings.
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Post#23 » by Alex_De_Large » Fri May 9, 2008 12:54 pm

i like the idea of tmac at pg, but not starting.

the starters would be alston-tmac-battier-scoula-yao
6th man mike miller, but the team would play almost all the minutes with tmac-miller-battier-scola-yao.

mcgrady is not the defender he was no more.
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Post#24 » by YaoZai » Fri May 9, 2008 1:24 pm

i don't mind trading Jackson and Head for Miller.
But i think we could get someone better with Jackson's contract.
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Post#25 » by Teckon » Mon May 12, 2008 2:03 am

I wonder why would Memphis want in BJax and Head when they already 4 pg with 3 young good PG. They may even want to trade away their young PG if Derek Rose fall to them in the draft.

Memphis will get better offer than just BJax's expiring contract. Memphis is hoping to get rid of Cardinal's bad contract. So if anyone want to use expiring contract for Miller, it will be need to cover Miller's $9mil + Cardinal's $6mil or exchange some good players in return.

Looking at Rockets' roster, the only players that Memphis may like will be Landry, Battier, Scola (all non-pg position with Yao, Tmac out of the consideration) and I doubt Rockets want to let these 3 go for Mike Miller. Chances are slim for Rockets to get Miller.
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Post#26 » by moofs » Mon May 12, 2008 2:01 pm

They wouldn't want Jackson to fill a role, they'd want him for his contract. Theoretically at least, considering they're only bound to 44 million next season. I'm guessing (within the bounds of that trade) they'd just want Head to make the numbers work, but really I have no clue why they'd take that trade.

I agree with you though, they're going to get a better offer. Still, continue to expect plenty of posts and threads about all our various potential trade proposals up until the day he gets traded to someone else. The fact that absolutely every single trade that's getting put out there for him now has already been proposed at least 40 times (often with 5+ of them from the same person, who either forgot about it or wanted to remind us) since January or earlier hasn't yet stopped anyone from continuing to post them again.

The one thing going for any trade proposal we put out there is that as long as Chris Wallace is the Grizzlies GM, any previously untraversed level of stupidity is possible.
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Post#27 » by jove9 » Tue May 13, 2008 2:29 am

Chris Wallace's stupidity makes the job of intelligent posters difficult to criticize my bad trade proposals. All I have to do is mention the Gasol trade.

Anything's possible, right?

Yao for Lowry + change!

McGrady for Hakim Warrick and a wheelbarrow full of 1980s country music one-hit wonders!

Rick Adelman for Marc Iavaroni + 2nd round pick!

Does anyone else here sometimes wish that teams would trade coaches?
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Post#28 » by moofs » Tue May 13, 2008 3:56 am

It's odd they don't, considering teams end up swapping on the coachy-go-round half the time anyway.
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Post#29 » by sweet_jesus » Tue May 13, 2008 4:04 am

What team could offer expiring contracts and take back Cardnial?

CLE can send Wally Z and Damon Jones and get Miller/Cardnial

That was the only team that jumped out at me that is in need of as much support scoring as the Rockets









I think its just a matter of how much a team is willing to morgage their future to get Miller.
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Post#30 » by jove9 » Tue May 13, 2008 4:59 am

moofs wrote:It's odd they don't, considering teams end up swapping on the coachy-go-round half the time anyway.


If I were GM of an NBA team, the very first thing I would do is trade the coach just to show that I'm in charge and I mean business.

I don't care who the coach is, or what team I'm running; the coach is out of here!
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Post#31 » by TMU » Tue May 13, 2008 9:34 am

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If I were GM of an NBA team, the very first thing I would do is trade the coach just to show that I'm in charge and I mean business.

I don't care who the coach is, or what team I'm running; the coach is out of here!


And still do a better job than Riley or Isiah as a GM.
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Post#32 » by jove9 » Tue May 13, 2008 10:06 pm

T-Mac United wrote:And still do a better job than Riley or Isiah as a GM.


I don't know.... After all, I AM going to be the first GM in NBA history to trade a coach, and I'm not even going to be smart about it. I could have a winning record and the best coach in the league, and still stubbornly make the move.

Then again, teams with winning records and good coaches don't usually fire their GMs and replace them with random people off of the RealGM message boards....
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Post#33 » by MaxRider » Tue May 13, 2008 10:11 pm

jove9 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I don't know.... After all, I AM going to be the first GM in NBA history to trade a coach, and I'm not even going to be smart about it. I could have a winning record and the best coach in the league, and still stubbornly make the move.

Then again, teams with winning records and good coaches don't usually fire their GMs and replace them with random people off of the RealGM message boards....


we traded our 2nd round pick for JVG
so you wont be the first GM to trade a coach
maybe for swapping coaches

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