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Post#21 » by Mr. Savage » Wed May 14, 2008 7:06 am

The only thing Steve Francis will be next season is an expiring contract for a potential trade.
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Post#22 » by moofs » Wed May 14, 2008 1:54 pm

KiDdFrESh wrote:I think Francis is going to suprise alot of people when he comes back healthy next season. He is another reason why Bobby Jackson is expandable. I'm looking foward to 1-2 punch of Alston and Francis at the Point with Brooks being used here and there.


If he's suddenly learned to play the game of basketball and regained his first step as if by magic over the offseason in his tenth year in the league, I have no doubt you're right!

He played better than I expected this year, true (and sad), but so did Luther Head (also sad), so that isn't necessarily saying much. I'd be happier if Aaron Brooks improved his game and came back as a legit backup. At best, I see Francis going for 5.7/2.5/2.5/1 in 44 games (i.e. basically what he did this year, but with slightly better shooting percentages - maybe, i dunno, 37% fg? is that asking too much? :pray:). More likely, he should be a potential trade piece, although I wonder what that would do for Morey's rep with players/agents. There are 0% odds that he needs another chance. I don't entirely mind giving it to him anyway because of what our other options are (Luther, possibly Aaron if he doesn't improve), but he's not going to come out a year older and play "like his old self" (who was horribly overrated to begin with). Actually, er... nevermind. Unfortunately, he is going to do that.

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Post#23 » by Texas Longhorns » Wed May 14, 2008 6:54 pm

He has already said he's coming back. Let's hope he doesn't pull a Carlos Boozer.
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Post#24 » by tosweet68 » Thu May 15, 2008 12:14 am

Texas Longhorns wrote:He has already said he's coming back. Let's hope he doesn't pull a Carlos Boozer.


Guard Steve Francis on Wednesday exercised an option on a second year of his contract, as he announced he would in January


He already exercised his option.....but I wouldn't care if he was traded. That is how he can help this team the most.
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Post#25 » by jove9 » Thu May 15, 2008 1:32 am

What a difference (almost) a year makes. Last summer, many of us were debating who would be a better addition: Steve Francis or Chris Webber.

Webber is now out of the league, and Francis isn't far behind.

And to think at one point people actually got into serious debates on whether Francis or Baron Davis was the better PG.
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Post#26 » by A.J. » Thu May 15, 2008 1:36 am

Mr. Savage wrote:The only thing Steve Francis will be next season is an expiring contract for a potential trade.


I sure hope not. I hope he be a contributer to our team.
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Post#27 » by tisbee » Thu May 15, 2008 3:09 am

There was a shot of him in crowd at game 5 in New Orleans. Wonder if he'll make the trip to SA ;)
A PG has to go,Francis is least valuable and easiest contract to move. I'd almost keep Jackson so team could use his then expiring contract at mid-season trade deadline.
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Post#28 » by A.J. » Thu May 15, 2008 3:43 am

tisbee wrote:There was a shot of him in crowd at game 5 in New Orleans. Wonder if he'll make the trip to SA ;)
A PG has to go,Francis is least valuable and easiest contract to move. I'd almost keep Jackson so team could use his then expiring contract at mid-season trade deadline.


D-Wade was surprisely at the game also. :wink:
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Post#29 » by texasholdem » Thu May 15, 2008 5:58 am

jove9 wrote:And to think at one point people actually got into serious debates on whether Francis or Baron Davis was the better PG.


Year one: Francis
Year two: Francis
Year three: Francis
Year four: Francis
Year five: Davis
Year six: Francis
Year seven: Davis
Year eight: Davis
Year nine: Davis

Year six is debatable but both players were adjusting to new teams that year and Francis played in 32 more games that year than Baron who was injured for most of it
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Post#30 » by TMU » Thu May 15, 2008 6:14 am

texasholdem wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Year one: Francis
Year two: Francis
Year three: Francis
Year four: Francis
Year five: Davis
Year six: Francis
Year seven: Davis
Year eight: Davis
Year nine: Davis

Year six is debatable but both players were adjusting to new teams that year and Francis played in 32 more games that year than Baron who was injured for most of it


What?
The first four years: Francis
The last five years: Baron

Baron was made the top 10 MVP voting once, Francis has never done that.
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Post#31 » by manun » Thu May 15, 2008 8:16 am

Anyone is better than b-jax to be honest. And we should keep francis, he has a small contract so its not like we can find any decent value for same price unless we trade him with some bigger contract.


PG rotation

Alston (25) / francis (20) / brooks (back up)

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Post#32 » by TMU » Thu May 15, 2008 8:34 am

manun wrote:Anyone is better than b-jax to be honest. And we should keep francis, he has a small contract so its not like we can find any decent value for same price unless we trade him with some bigger contract.


PG rotation

Alston (25) / francis (20) / brooks (back up)

Should be okay


His contract is expiring, which means we can trade him.
It's possible to trade him along with Jackson for a player that makes around 9 - 11 million per year. Hint, hint...Mike Miller
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Post#33 » by BaYBaller » Thu May 15, 2008 3:40 pm

You already know that management is going to use B.Jax's expiring as a trade piece next trade deadline. Morey stated as much.
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Post#34 » by texasholdem » Thu May 15, 2008 4:23 pm

T-Mac United wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



What?
The first four years: Francis
The last five years: Baron

Baron was made the top 10 MVP voting once, Francis has never done that.


Steve was voted to start the ASG 3 times, Baron has never done that.

Year six was Francis' first year in Orlando and the year that Baron got traded from NO to GSW midseason.

2004-2005
Games: Steve 78 > Baron 46
PPG: Steve 21.3 > Baron 20.2
APG: Steve 7 < Baron 8.2
RPG: Steve 5.8 > Baron 4.0
FG %: Steve 42.3 > Baron 38.7
FT%: Steve 82.3 > Baron 76.1
3fg%: Steve 29.9 < Baron 33.3
TPG: Steve 4.1 < Baron 3.0
SPG: Steve 1.4 < Baron 2.1

I think Steve had a better year in 2004-2005, certainly playing in 32 more games should count for something.

So in 9 years it's Steve 5 to Baron 4 in regular season play.

Of course Baron's team beating a #1 seed is huge.
I still think their careers are about equal (so far)
but unless Steve can come back healthy Baron will surely
have the better career when all is said and done.
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Post#35 » by Ksnyder18 » Thu May 15, 2008 4:24 pm

Really hope he is healthy next year he could be a big role player for us IMO
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Post#36 » by jove9 » Thu May 15, 2008 10:01 pm

manun wrote:Anyone is better than b-jax to be honest. And we should keep francis, he has a small contract so its not like we can find any decent value for same price unless we trade him with some bigger contract.


PG rotation

Alston (25) / francis (20) / brooks (back up)

Should be okay


Based on the last three years, there is NO WAY Steve Francis gets 20 minutes a game.

A more realistic scenario would be:

Alston (30) / Brooks (10) / Francis (8)
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Post#37 » by DraftBoy10 » Thu May 15, 2008 10:04 pm

Veteran backup PGs are a dime in a dozen, don't hesitate about trading Bobby Jackson. I'm sure there are some vet PGs that can handle a backup PG position for 10-15mins. Anthony Frog Johnson? He's solid at that. Brooks needs to develop, and if he can develop into a capable backup next season, then that just saves us money.
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Post#38 » by Dinky Bits » Thu May 15, 2008 10:21 pm

I'm hoping he pulls a Bonzi and comes back in shape, and ready to play. He should have the proper motivation, and was really good in a couple of spurts this year. He could definitely be a key contributor if he's healthy.
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Post#39 » by ubernathan » Sat May 17, 2008 7:07 pm

Franchise is going to dominate next season. I'm calling it now, 22/7/7
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Post#40 » by Shabi__5 » Sat May 17, 2008 8:08 pm

He must improve that outside shot , in the few games he started this season it was pathetic.
They would leave him wide open from 3 and he wouldn't even look at the basket , instead he pump fakes and drives into the forest of hands for a turnover.
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