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Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey?

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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#21 » by HTown_TMac » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:50 pm

While stopping other teams from getting who they wanted while we did get them.
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#22 » by HtownPA » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:01 am

T-Mac United wrote:His draft selections suck, but dude surely knows how to **** up other teams' plans.


Would we in better shape if we had drafted Jason Smith or Big Baby, instead of Brooks and Landry? Landry was an injury gamble, because of his knee in college. Morey did lose that bet. We don't know if Brooks sucks yet. It's only been a season.

If the Lakers had drafted Donte Greene(and his 40 pt blow out performance) and the Rockets got Darrell Arthur or CDR, we wouldn't have Artest. Sacramento was ready to trade with the Lakers, but they wanted Odom or Greene(Rockets pick). CDR and Arthur were the popular picks among Greene critics.
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#23 » by TMU » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:49 am

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T-Mac United wrote:His draft selections suck, but dude surely knows how to **** up other teams' plans.


Would we in better shape if we had drafted Jason Smith or Big Baby, instead of Brooks and Landry? Landry was an injury gamble, because of his knee in college. Morey did lose that bet. We don't know if Brooks sucks yet. It's only been a season.

If the Lakers had drafted Donte Greene(and his 40 pt blow out performance) and the Rockets got Darrell Arthur or CDR, we wouldn't have Artest. Sacramento was ready to trade with the Lakers, but they wanted Odom or Greene(Rockets pick). CDR and Arthur were the popular picks among Greene critics.


The Lakers had no chance of drafting Donte Greene with their late 2nd round pick. Therefore, that eliminates one of the options. With that said, we now turn to Lamar Odom. Lamar has a huge expiring contract (greater than Artest's contract), which means the Kings will have to include another player to match Lamar's contract. Two reasons why this deal never went through: 1. The Kings have no reason to include a filler in the deal; 2. The Kings will not give Lamar a contract extension.

The Kings have a bunch of expiring contracts after 09/10. If I were their GM and I know that my team is rebuilding, I'd rather hold onto those contracts and sign a big name during that off-season. That leaves Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and John Salmons - players who have a multi-year contract - but none of them are realistic. Martin is their franchise player, Udrih just resigned with the team, and John Salmons is good player to have off the bench (he also has a decent contract). Moreover, why should the Kings trade for Lamar Odom, someone who's not worthy of an extension?

If the Kings took LA's offer, they wouldn't be getting much. The only useful asset the Kings would've gotten is LA's 2009 1st round pick, which will be a late 1st. Overall, it would've been a bigger loss for the Kings. The Lakers wanted Artest bad, but they never stood a chance.

And Donte Greene wasn't in Sacramento's original blueprint. Remember, the Artest to Houston rumor started since last season. The Kings wanted to get rid of him because they knew that Artest wasn't going to resign with the team. The Kings were mainly looking for a 1st rounder (in our case: Aaron Brooks) and expiring contracts. However, since they knew that Artest is one of the bigger names in the league, they started toying with Morey by asking for Battier. In my opinion, Donte Greene's 40-point game helped the Kings come to their senses and forced themselves to leave Battier from this trade.
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#24 » by J2DaReala » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:36 am

Nope.
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#25 » by HtownPA » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:53 am

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T-Mac United wrote:His draft selections suck, but dude surely knows how to **** up other teams' plans.


Would we in better shape if we had drafted Jason Smith or Big Baby, instead of Brooks and Landry? Landry was an injury gamble, because of his knee in college. Morey did lose that bet. We don't know if Brooks sucks yet. It's only been a season.

If the Lakers had drafted Donte Greene(and his 40 pt blow out performance) and the Rockets got Darrell Arthur or CDR, we wouldn't have Artest. Sacramento was ready to trade with the Lakers, but they wanted Odom or Greene(Rockets pick). CDR and Arthur were the popular picks among Greene critics.


The Lakers had no chance of drafting Donte Greene with their late 2nd round pick. Therefore, that eliminates one of the options. With that said, we now turn to Lamar Odom. Lamar has a huge expiring contract (greater than Artest's contract), which means the Kings will have to include another player to match Lamar's contract. Two reasons why this deal never went through: 1. The Kings have no reason to include a filler in the deal; 2. The Kings will not give Lamar a contract extension.

The Kings have a bunch of expiring contracts after 09/10. If I were their GM and I know that my team is rebuilding, I'd rather hold onto those contracts and sign a big name during that off-season. That leaves Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and John Salmons - players who have a multi-year contract - but none of them are realistic. Martin is their franchise player, Udrih just resigned with the team, and John Salmons is good player to have off the bench (he also has a decent contract). Moreover, why should the Kings trade for Lamar Odom, someone who's not worthy of an extension?

If the Kings took LA's offer, they wouldn't be getting much. The only useful asset the Kings would've gotten is LA's 2009 1st round pick, which will be a late 1st. Overall, it would've been a bigger loss for the Kings. The Lakers wanted Artest bad, but they never stood a chance.

And Donte Greene wasn't in Sacramento's original blueprint. Remember, the Artest to Houston rumor started since last season. The Kings wanted to get rid of him because they knew that Artest wasn't going to resign with the team. The Kings were mainly looking for a 1st rounder (in our case: Aaron Brooks) and expiring contracts. However, since they knew that Artest is one of the bigger names in the league, they started toying with Morey by asking for Battier. In my opinion, Donte Greene's 40-point game helped the Kings come to their senses and forced themselves to leave Battier from this trade.


Well, how did his draft selections suck? I am really slow. :)
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#26 » by HTown_TMac » Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:37 am

He just had a story on how it doesnt lol
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#27 » by TMU » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:03 am

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Would we in better shape if we had drafted Jason Smith or Big Baby, instead of Brooks and Landry? Landry was an injury gamble, because of his knee in college. Morey did lose that bet. We don't know if Brooks sucks yet. It's only been a season.

If the Lakers had drafted Donte Greene(and his 40 pt blow out performance) and the Rockets got Darrell Arthur or CDR, we wouldn't have Artest. Sacramento was ready to trade with the Lakers, but they wanted Odom or Greene(Rockets pick). CDR and Arthur were the popular picks among Greene critics.


The Lakers had no chance of drafting Donte Greene with their late 2nd round pick. Therefore, that eliminates one of the options. With that said, we now turn to Lamar Odom. Lamar has a huge expiring contract (greater than Artest's contract), which means the Kings will have to include another player to match Lamar's contract. Two reasons why this deal never went through: 1. The Kings have no reason to include a filler in the deal; 2. The Kings will not give Lamar a contract extension.

The Kings have a bunch of expiring contracts after 09/10. If I were their GM and I know that my team is rebuilding, I'd rather hold onto those contracts and sign a big name during that off-season. That leaves Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih and John Salmons - players who have a multi-year contract - but none of them are realistic. Martin is their franchise player, Udrih just resigned with the team, and John Salmons is good player to have off the bench (he also has a decent contract). Moreover, why should the Kings trade for Lamar Odom, someone who's not worthy of an extension?

If the Kings took LA's offer, they wouldn't be getting much. The only useful asset the Kings would've gotten is LA's 2009 1st round pick, which will be a late 1st. Overall, it would've been a bigger loss for the Kings. The Lakers wanted Artest bad, but they never stood a chance.

And Donte Greene wasn't in Sacramento's original blueprint. Remember, the Artest to Houston rumor started since last season. The Kings wanted to get rid of him because they knew that Artest wasn't going to resign with the team. The Kings were mainly looking for a 1st rounder (in our case: Aaron Brooks) and expiring contracts. However, since they knew that Artest is one of the bigger names in the league, they started toying with Morey by asking for Battier. In my opinion, Donte Greene's 40-point game helped the Kings come to their senses and forced themselves to leave Battier from this trade.


Well, how did his draft selections suck? I am really slow. :)


Based on talent most of his draft choices were bad. His brilliance comes from what he's able to do with the players after the draft (trades and such).

For example:
- Aaron Brooks (can't evaluate him based on one season, but he already looks like a bust)
- Joey Dorsey (didn't address our C situation)
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#28 » by HTown_TMac » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:24 am

Joey Dorsey is a Banger..
He has super long arms.. I think he will be like a Ben Wallace-lite off the bench..
He could be like the defensive Carl Landry
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#29 » by kevC » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:07 am

T-Mac United wrote:
Based on talent most of his draft choices were bad. His brilliance comes from what he's able to do with the players after the draft (trades and such).

For example:
- Aaron Brooks (can't evaluate him based on one season, but he already looks like a bust)
- Joey Dorsey (didn't address our C situation)


Dorsey hasn't even played a game yet. Aaron Brooks is pretty decent pick for a low 1st rounder. Who would you have picked over him? I can only think of one. Carl Landry, the stud. Too bad we...oh wait, he DID draft him. (Hopefully re-signed soon). I don't see how you can say his draft choices were bad when low 1st rounders and 2nd rounders are always crapshoots and it's not like he passed on some stud.
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#30 » by Ribalding » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:13 pm

HtownPA wrote:Some posters have mentioned Morey never playing high-level basketball as a weakness. He wouldn't be able to understand how the league works the same way that Jordan or another player would.

If you thought this way, do you still believe a Jordan/Jerry West/Isiah Thomas/Dumars/Larry Bird/Elgin Baylor GM would be a better fit? Or has the Artest trade changed your mind, even though Morey still doesn't have NBA playoff experience?


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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#31 » by moofs » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:44 pm

Was this "It's What Everyone was Thinking but No One Quite Said" comment's campaign managed by Johnnie Walker or Aberlour? :cheesygrin:
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#32 » by MaxRider » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:10 pm

no comments on draft pick yet
we don't know how those players he drafted going to be in 5-8 years
but Gay sure does look like a mistake
so far on trade
he's 3-1
make a mistake trading for James
but did a real good job getting rip of him
the other 2 winning trades are Scola and Artest
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#33 » by HtownPA » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:17 pm

Ribalding wrote:You're kind of a doofus. But I love your sig. Where'd you get it?


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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#34 » by HtownPA » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:22 pm

T-Mac United wrote:
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Well, how did his draft selections suck? I am really slow. :)


Based on talent most of his draft choices were bad. His brilliance comes from what he's able to do with the players after the draft (trades and such).

For example:
- Aaron Brooks (can't evaluate him based on one season, but he already looks like a bust)
- Joey Dorsey (didn't address our C situation)


Ok, I still don't get it. That doesn't indicate poor talent evaluation if they are the best at those draft picks. Unless, there were a few other players at those draft positions that Morey overlooked. Were there good centers, that will be better than Dorsey? How did he do in comparison to the other GMs drafting close to our position(bottom 10 spots).
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#35 » by HTown_TMac » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:20 am

And Dorsey was a 2nd Round Pick
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Re: Has the Artest trade changed your mind about Morey? 

Post#36 » by RayStats34 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:41 am

we will know what to call morey after we advance in the playoffs.

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