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Post#1 » by tha_rock220 » Thu Oct 2, 2008 4:54 am

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6035014.html

Rockets' Adelman to install his offense in second season
Team learned coach's read-and-move style last year, will run it this year
By JONATHAN FEIGEN Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
Oct. 1, 2008, 8:27PM

Rick Adelman made himself a promise.

The season ended and before all the analysis that would come, before the trade for Ron Artest or free agent pick up of Brent Barry, before the Rockets left Salt Lake City and another promising but also disappointing season behind, Adelman knew the change he wanted.

In his second season as Rockets coach, the Rockets would run his offense.

“It’s totally different this year,” Adelman said. “That’s what I told them in the meeting (Monday). They’re familiar with what we’d like to do; now we have to do it better.

“We’re going to demand a little bit differently now that they understand what we want to do.”

In the first season, they had to abandon much of his planned offense, running the standard NBA play calls, returning to the well-practiced offensive strengths of Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming.

He went to that because that was the adjustment he needed to win through the growing pains that came with learning an offense very different from most. But as with the season as a whole, with the adjustment to his read-and-move offensive style behind them, Adelman will demand something greater.

“Last year we found out very quickly these guys weren’t very used to doing it and we had to make calls,” Adelman said. “When you make calls in this league, as soon as you make the call, everybody in the world knows it. It’s harder to run anything.

“Our offense, if we don’t have to make calls and we’re just running the right pass, right cut, the defense can’t set up and gear up for what you’re going to do because they don’t know what’s coming. That’s what I expect this year, we’re going to be able to do those things a lot better than we did last year.”

The Rockets learned the offense last season, but ran it as if running plays. They were hesitant, often deliberate in going through the levels of improvisation within the offense that can make it its most effective.

This season, they said they have grown to the point that they can more instinctively and ultimately, more effectively make the cuts and bring the rapid ball movement the offense demands.

“We’re far ahead (of last season),” point guard Rafer Alston said. “It’s just review for us. I think it’s fine-tuning some things, getting some spacing and some timing. I think most of us know the offense. Us veterans can bring the new guys along. Ron (Artest) has picked it up quick. Guys in the second year know it and some had the opportunity to play summer league.

“What we’re trying to get to is just (be) instinctive. We can come down and get to where we’re running by a guy’s movement, where he goes with the ball and where he goes with his body. Getting everyone on the same page, that’s going to be the key.”

Yao said he is eager to move more often from the low post to the high post, and to create more from the perimeter for his teammates. The Rockets quickly discarded that part of the offense when Yao was more efficient in the low blocks than anything they created with him away from the low post. But Yao said the greater diversity will make things easier for him, too.

“I think perimeter jumpers, perimeter passes and cuts to the basket and more movement from inside to outside,” Yao said. “I don’t mean ball movement, I mean myself moving from inside to out makes it harder for the defense to come catch me. Last year, I think because it was the first year, it should be better now.”

The change does now, however, deemphasize Yao and McGrady. Rather, Adelman said it will make it more difficult for teams to lock in on them as they did when he was forced to call their plays. Beyond that, he thought the improved movement would benefit players working around the Rockets’ top scorers.

“Out of necessity we had to do that last year,” Adelman said. “Then, it really puts the onus on Tracy and Yao. We can always go to those guys. I don’t care if the whole world knows they’re getting the ball, they’re going to have a hard time guarding them. It’s the other guys that can benefit from the offense if we don’t have to make calls and just play.

“I think it’s just going to be (a matter of) time. These guys have to be a little bit more obedient and they have to execute a little bit better. We don’t want to make a ton of calls. We want to play (with) movement on the pass.

“I feel really good about what we’re going to do offensively.”



Please Rick, if you want to experiment then TELL YOUR WIFE!!!!! Stop trying to force this "if the downscreener's defender goes over the top then the cutter pivots and curls while the pg pulls the pressure off and makes the high post entry and the center hits the wing on a baseline cut while his man is covering the cutter" nonsense onto our players. We have a traditional big man and good wing players. That's how the Spurs and Lakers did it and they have 7 out of the last 10 championships. Put Yao in the low post where he belongs.
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Post#2 » by kwelis fiasco » Thu Oct 2, 2008 5:48 am

i hope you realized we can get off to a good start a long time ago.

Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, and Ron Artest are going to be on the Houston Rockets for the 2008-2009 nba regular season.

all they need to do is stay healthy. if they all played 70 games wed be more than good, hopefully they can do 75. we need our youngns to improve tho, specially scola.
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Post#3 » by YoungMoney23 » Thu Oct 2, 2008 7:26 am

Whats so bad about Adelman bringing in his offense? Isn't that what we hired him for?
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Post#4 » by Iggyemu » Thu Oct 2, 2008 11:03 am

I am buying what Adelman is selling. This is year two...everyone knows the offense and whats expected of em...its now on them to do it and I like that Adelman will demand more when it comes to executing it. This is the right time. I knew it wouldn't work last year simply b/c these guys were stuck in their way and to be honest...you learn an offense during regular season games and we got off to a bad start b/c of the McGrady elbow thing and the ineffectiveness of James and Francis. We had to catch up...so we went back to the old stuff. Then we caught up..tried again...Yao went down and then we scraped it and just ran standard NBA calls again...

But during last year even though they weren't executing the offense they learned it. This year they are in a much better position to execute it from day 1. This team needs something to put it over the top. Like the Lakers have their triangle....we need the Princeton offense in effect. Everybody is talented...we need something that will get our best players great shots when in key stretches and this offense will do that.
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Post#5 » by KiDdFrESh » Thu Oct 2, 2008 5:18 pm

Iggyemu wrote:I am buying what Adelman is selling. This is year two...everyone knows the offense and whats expected of em...its now on them to do it and I like that Adelman will demand more when it comes to executing it. This is the right time. I knew it wouldn't work last year simply b/c these guys were stuck in their way and to be honest...you learn an offense during regular season games and we got off to a bad start b/c of the McGrady elbow thing and the ineffectiveness of James and Francis. We had to catch up...so we went back to the old stuff. Then we caught up..tried again...Yao went down and then we scraped it and just ran standard NBA calls again...

But during last year even though they weren't executing the offense they learned it. This year they are in a much better position to execute it from day 1. This team needs something to put it over the top. Like the Lakers have their triangle....we need the Princeton offense in effect. Everybody is talented...we need something that will get our best players great shots when in key stretches and this offense will do that.


I agree.

I'm eager to see the Rockets RUN Adelmans offense. We have too many talented players on this team. If we can get that offense going and continue to play tenacious defense then we are going to give the rest of the league TROUBLE !!

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I cant wait for this season to start !!!
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Post#6 » by Amel » Thu Oct 2, 2008 6:32 pm

Obama/Adelman in 08!
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Post#7 » by abcdef » Thu Oct 2, 2008 7:13 pm

If Yao plays soft and ends up like Vlade Divac/Brad Miller, you know who to blame. Not Yao. It is all RICK ADELMAN's fault. Yao is simply ineffective at the high post yet Rick Adelman insists on putting him there. Ridiculous.
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Post#8 » by ShaY » Thu Oct 2, 2008 8:26 pm

abcdef wrote:If Yao plays soft and ends up like Vlade Divac/Brad Miller, you know who to blame. Not Yao. It is all RICK ADELMAN's fault. Yao is simply ineffective at the high post yet Rick Adelman insists on putting him there. Ridiculous.


We can't go to Yao inside EVERY single position.
So why not instead of him battling inside when we want to go to T-Mac or someone else let him be part of the offense from the highpost and even take a jumper or two a game.

Most of Yao's points come anyway from the fade away jumper , he will still get enough touches in the low post , we will go to him very often in the low post.

But when we want to go to someone else , instead of battling inside , he will draw his man out to the elbow , open things up or take the mid range if the defender doesn't come out.
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Post#9 » by uchlha » Thu Oct 2, 2008 8:28 pm

abcdef wrote:If Yao plays soft and ends up like Vlade Divac/Brad Miller, you know who to blame. Not Yao. It is all RICK ADELMAN's fault. Yao is simply ineffective at the high post yet Rick Adelman insists on putting him there. Ridiculous.


when was vlade divac or brad miller an inside force? lol and lol at your sig who you want us to hire as coach JVG again? ahhaha

edit: and oh btw id rather have a poor start and great finish than the reverse
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Post#10 » by RaoulDuke79 » Thu Oct 2, 2008 9:38 pm

abcdef wrote:If Yao plays soft and ends up like Vlade Divac/Brad Miller, you know who to blame. Not Yao. It is all RICK ADELMAN's fault. Yao is simply ineffective at the high post yet Rick Adelman insists on putting him there. Ridiculous.


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Post#11 » by Iggyemu » Thu Oct 2, 2008 9:52 pm

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abcdef wrote:If Yao plays soft and ends up like Vlade Divac/Brad Miller, you know who to blame. Not Yao. It is all RICK ADELMAN's fault. Yao is simply ineffective at the high post yet Rick Adelman insists on putting him there. Ridiculous.


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Yea that him...this guy would rather Yao get his numbers than see this team win. He is funny like that. As long as Yao gets 25 and 10 he is good...regardless of whether or not we are 20-30 and out of the playoffs.

All he does is complain about how Adelman doesn't use Yao right. Well Yao has been ineffective in every single playoff series he has played. Always shooting below his season average and never make the big baskets that he makes in the regular season. Its not like JVG or Rudy T were getting the best out of him. Adelman will.
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Post#12 » by BaYBaller » Thu Oct 2, 2008 11:55 pm

We've done the 'force feed T-Mac and Yao the ball thing' and it hasn't panned out. We've had a sub-par offense for years, no matter how dominant T-Mac or Yao was game-to-game. I'm not completely sold with Adelman's offense fit-wise but it's obvious offense should be the focus as that's what needs the most improvement.
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Post#13 » by kwelis fiasco » Fri Oct 3, 2008 12:10 am

tmac should be able to get at least 25/7/4 w/ the new houston squad. ron might get around 8/7/7 sine were gonna use him at the 4/5. gonna have to give crash that glass for us and give us some god daam rebounding **** a
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Post#14 » by HTown_TMac » Fri Oct 3, 2008 12:18 am

Ron will get more than 8pts or hes gonna want out at deadline
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Post#15 » by Alex_De_Large » Fri Oct 3, 2008 2:38 am

he should be our 3th scorer after all. so more than 14 points game are going to be welcome...
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Post#16 » by moofs » Fri Oct 3, 2008 3:33 am

Maybe I'm nuts, but I'd almost be happy with him being our SECOND scorer.

He may not be able to get off his shot at any time like Tmac, but it goes in so much more often!

He'd look better for contract suitors, and McGrady would get to roam and focus on playmaking like he wants to do. Everyone wins?
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Post#17 » by tha_rock220 » Fri Oct 3, 2008 4:11 am

RaoulDuke79 wrote:
abcdef wrote:If Yao plays soft and ends up like Vlade Divac/Brad Miller, you know who to blame. Not Yao. It is all RICK ADELMAN's fault. Yao is simply ineffective at the high post yet Rick Adelman insists on putting him there. Ridiculous.


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Yeah it was always fun clowning compucomp, but he's right here. It's a complete waste to have Yao in the high post. The Princeton offense has netted a big nothing in the NBA. More traditional offenses get much better results. You might say the triangle isn't traditional, but it still has your best scorer getting the majority of his touches in the post. This business about making Yao a facilitator on offense is stupidity.
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Post#18 » by JordansBulls » Fri Oct 3, 2008 7:00 pm

Did you catch this part of the quote.

"Adelman said it will make it more difficult for teams to lock in on them as they did when he was forced to call their plays."


that's the point. You want it to be tougher to defend Yao or Tmac not easier and that is why he is going to use it.
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Post#19 » by King Roosk » Sun Oct 5, 2008 5:45 pm

abcdef wrote:If Yao plays soft and ends up like Vlade Divac/Brad Miller, you know who to blame. Not Yao. It is all RICK ADELMAN's fault. Yao is simply ineffective at the high post yet Rick Adelman insists on putting him there. Ridiculous.


...Compucomp?
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Post#20 » by King Roosk » Sun Oct 5, 2008 5:51 pm

Anyways...

We all know that Ron has a tendency to dominate the ball, and will most likely be unhappy if he isn't statistically productive. We also know that T-mac, as talented as he is, has a tendency to defer to his teammates and often times, those teammates can't finish for him. Do yall see where I'm going with this? I think Adelman is going to have Ron feed off of T-mac's playmaking abilities, and everything will end up working itself out.

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