OT: Election Day tomo

[grond]

I work as a civilian for the Dept of Homeland Security. I am a Sergeant (E5) in the Texas Army National Guard. I've spent about 3 of the past 7 years on AD. I have served in Iraq, and have sat down across the table facing evil men.. They wanted to chop my head off, I wanted to find out where they hid the weapons. I won. Every time.

Non-sequitous + self-indulgent. Don't get me wrong tho'. I'm impressed.

That was a helluva good acceptance speech by BO. And a helluva sad-to-watch concession speech by Mac. Interesting times ahead.

peace.

[jove9]

but if you want to learn about corporate ownership of the media get a library card or go to college.

Well... Where to start?

I've got a Degree from the UH, BS in Psychology. I work as a civilian for the Dept of Homeland Security. I am a Sergeant (E5) in the Texas Army National Guard. I've spent about 3 of the past 7 years on AD. I have served in Iraq, and have sat down across the table facing evil men.. They wanted to chop my head off, I wanted to find out where they hid the weapons. I won. Every time.

School me, please. Tell me something I don't know.

Only a fool would call himself a wiseman.

[moofs]

i don't know man
i see evil in Obama's eyes
i don't think i can trust that man

I saw what you were talking about. Hopefully we're both nuts ( : fingers crossed : ), but I immediately went from not liking either candidate to being straight-up scared last night.

LET'S GET READY TO REDISTRIBBUUUUUUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

'Ey Ribalding, you up for a race to the bottom of a bottle of victory scotch?

[tha_rock220]

i don't know man
i see evil in Obama's eyes
i don't think i can trust that man

I saw what you were talking about. Hopefully we're both nuts ( : fingers crossed : ), but I immediately went from not liking either candidate to being straight-up scared last night.

LET'S GET READY TO REDISTRIBBUUUUUUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

'Ey Ribalding, you up for a race to the bottom of a bottle of victory scotch?

Well you can hope that Obama goes forward with his extremist ideals, they're rejected by Americans, and in the mid term elections republicans are able to retake the capitol building.

Or you can hope that he tempers his radical plans, drops his plans for redistribution, welfare, healthcare, etc, goes more moderate, and does a good job.

[moofs]

Withholding true judgment until I see something happen. Maybe even after that, depending on extent. Still gonna sadistically joke about it in the meantime

[fisterkev]

Well, it didn't take long for our enemies to start the games. Russia is already testing the new President-elect:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/world ... ref=slogin

The Democrats will soon find out that they can no longer avoid responsibility and blame others for mistakes. Running a country is not a game, and since the country put them solidly in the driver's seat last night, they are now going to have to prove that they are up to the challenge.

I sincerely hope that they don't rule how I think they will. I for one will be getting out of the military pronto, as will many others I know; the military as a whole has little confidence that a man with no foreign policy experience will use it correctly.

[MaxRider]

i don't know man
i see evil in Obama's eyes
i don't think i can trust that man

I saw what you were talking about. Hopefully we're both nuts ( : fingers crossed : ), but I immediately went from not liking either candidate to being straight-up scared last night.

LET'S GET READY TO REDISTRIBBUUUUUUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

'Ey Ribalding, you up for a race to the bottom of a bottle of victory scotch?

Japan stock market is falling after they announced Obama won the election

[fisterkev]

So is ours.

[PocketRockets]

but if you want to learn about corporate ownership of the media get a library card or go to college.

Well... Where to start?

I've got a Degree from the UH, BS in Psychology. I work as a civilian for the Dept of Homeland Security. I am a Sergeant (E5) in the Texas Army National Guard. I've spent about 3 of the past 7 years on AD. I have served in Iraq, and have sat down across the table facing evil men.. They wanted to chop my head off, I wanted to find out where they hid the weapons. I won. Every time.

School me, please. Tell me something I don't know.

Only a fool would call himself a wiseman.

Okay Jove,

You keep replying with quotes that in no way supports your argument. I, too, believe the media is really bias and extremely left and it's one of the downfalls of our country. Do I need to go to college too? Trust me man, I'm sure me and fisterkev have more schooling than you, so don't even try to bring that lame ass accusation as a point in your argument.

You are not "teaching" us on how the media isn't extremely left b/c i think you don't really know and hence can't defend the media. Okay, now like the civil "smart & educated" person that you claim to be, please defend your statement with valid points. Thanks

[PocketRockets]

i don't know man
i see evil in Obama's eyes
i don't think i can trust that man

I saw what you were talking about. Hopefully we're both nuts ( : fingers crossed : ), but I immediately went from not liking either candidate to being straight-up scared last night.

LET'S GET READY TO REDISTRIBBUUUUUUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

'Ey Ribalding, you up for a race to the bottom of a bottle of victory scotch?

Japan stock market is falling after they announced Obama won the election

Here's a conspiracy theory I heard from a friend. Mostly rich people have stocks b/c I'm not rich and I know I can't afford to have any/much stocks. The wealthy predicted early (as well as many polls) that Obama had a great chance at winning this election (and now it's true) so they sold most of their stocks in anticipation of the "wealth spread" and have put the less fortunate that play stocks in a bind.

People are stupid if they think the rich will just lay down and let Obama take more of their hard earned cash to give to people that don't work or are too lazy to work. They are liquidating on wall street and everyone that works will feel the repercussions. I feel like we'd be in a bind regardless of who wins, but now that one party has all the power...I sure hope they know what they're doing.

[jove9]

Here's a conspiracy theory I heard from a friend. Mostly rich people have stocks b/c I'm not rich and I know I can't afford to have any/much stocks. The wealthy predicted early (as well as many polls) that Obama had a great chance at winning this election (and now it's true) so they sold most of their stocks in anticipation of the "wealth spread" and have put the less fortunate that play stocks in a bind.

People are stupid if they think the rich will just lay down and let Obama take more of their hard earned cash to give to people that don't work or are too lazy to work. They are liquidating on wall street and everyone that works will feel the repercussions. I feel like we'd be in a bind regardless of who wins, but now that one party has all the power...I sure hope they know what they're doing.

Don't fool yourself, PocketRockets. Rich people support the Democratic Party as much as they support the Republican Party. How else could Obama have been elected?

Some simple reseach:

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the top big business contributors to the Obama campaign included:

1. Goldman Sachs (Wall Street's top political power broker, and home of several current and former Treasury Secretaries)
2. Citigroup (the second largest financial firm in the world)
3. UBS (the world's largest wealth manager, largely owned by the Saudi royal family)
4. JP Morgan Chase (a Rockefeller bank, closely tied to Exxon Mobil)

These companies would not intentionally bankrupt the world economy to prevent Obama from "spreading the wealth". On top of that, if Obama really were that radical, he would not have risen to the heights he did; he would not have received the enormous funding that he did.

So what IS stupid is believing half-baked conspiracy theories.

You keep replying with quotes that in no way supports your argument.

Really? I haven't quoted anything.... Well, except that I'm quoting you just now.

I, too, believe the media is really bias and extremely left and it's one of the downfalls of our country.

The word you're looking for there, smart guy, is "biased". "Bias" is a noun; "biased" is an adjective.

Do I need to go to college too?

Apparently.

Trust me man, I'm sure me and fisterkev ...

Bad grammar. The correct usage is "fisterkev and I".

...have more schooling than you, so don't even try to bring that lame ass accusation as a point in your argument.

Do you know what the word "accusation" means? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. Anyway, I doubt you are more educated than I am. I'm not some random American high school or college student.

You are not "teaching" us on how the media isn't extremely left b/c i think you don't really know and hence can't defend the media.

No, I'm not "teaching" you about the media, because that isn't my job. I mentioned earlier that I didn't feel like writing a book about the media on a message board, and I don't really think that it would be a productive use of my time anyway. If you want to learn about it, go (back?) to college or get a library card. Better yet, maybe you can ask mommy while she tucks you into bed tonight.

Cheers!

[PocketRockets]

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the top big business contributors to the Obama campaign included:

1. Goldman Sachs (Wall Street's top political power broker, and home of several current and former Treasury Secretaries)
2. Citigroup (the second largest financial firm in the world)
3. UBS (the world's largest wealth manager, largely owned by the Saudi royal family)
4. JP Morgan Chase (a Rockefeller bank, closely tied to Exxon Mobil)

These companies would not intentionally bankrupt the world economy to prevent Obama from "spreading the wealth". On top of that, if Obama really were that radical, he would not have risen to the heights he did; he would not have received the enormous funding that he did.

Hitler rose to power. Don't say it can't happen son. He also had the backing of many in Germany in his day.

If those four financial powers and everyone that supported Obama stayed in the economy do you think they could sustain the market alone? NO, and I'm only saying wealthy people liquidating their portfolios in anticipation of Obama was a theory for the economic crisis today.

Really? I haven't quoted anything.... Well, except that I'm quoting you just now.

"only a fool would call himself a wiseman" - is that not a quote? If it's not off a fortune cookie then it's definitely a derivative off a Confucious proverb.

And sure, I misspelled "biased," sue me. I also use fragments and improper grammar all the time in forums. As long as the audience gets the point of my argument, I think that's purpose of communication. Are you saying you've never misspelled a word?

Accused or assumed that Fisterkev has not had a college degree? I think that's what you were trying to infer in one of your earlier posts.

Anyways, enough of this bickering, believe in what you want, it's your right as a person, but don't go around degrading other people b/c they don't believe in the same ideas that you do.

[MaxRider]

Here's a conspiracy theory I heard from a friend. Mostly rich people have stocks b/c I'm not rich and I know I can't afford to have any/much stocks. The wealthy predicted early (as well as many polls) that Obama had a great chance at winning this election (and now it's true) so they sold most of their stocks in anticipation of the "wealth spread" and have put the less fortunate that play stocks in a bind.

People are stupid if they think the rich will just lay down and let Obama take more of their hard earned cash to give to people that don't work or are too lazy to work. They are liquidating on wall street and everyone that works will feel the repercussions. I feel like we'd be in a bind regardless of who wins, but now that one party has all the power...I sure hope they know what they're doing.

I believe the stock is going to fall no matter who win. Both of them got their campaign money from the riches, so whoever stock will do bad when their side lost. I don't really care who is the president because I see Bush, Clinton, W. Bush all giving money to those too lazy to work. I see plenty of places still looking to hire. I just think those with BS or higher degree are not willing to work for the lower class job. I have laid off friends refuse to work for a salary lower than his previous job. I done plenty of low paid job ($6/hr, $7/hr, $8/hr, $10/hr).

[fisterkev]

These companies would not intentionally bankrupt the world economy to prevent Obama from "spreading the wealth". On top of that, if Obama really were that radical, he would not have risen to the heights he did; he would not have received the enormous funding that he did.

Organizations such as these routinely give money to both sides, that's part of what gets lobbyists in the door later on.

All you have to do to determine whether or not Obama is radical / leftist is to A) look at his voting record at both the state and federal levels (very, very liberal on both) and listen to what he says he's going to do. Tax the rich and give it to the poor (wealth redistribution) is straight out out of Marx. He's voted to raise taxes dozens of times, and has never voted to cut them. He intends to allow the Bush tax cuts sunset, which will amount to raising everyone's taxes, as everyone got a tax cut under them. He has proposed bringing back thre AWB and has voted repeatedly (at the state level) to restrict firearm ownership. He has proposed nationalising health care and expanding the size of the federal govt by up to a trillion dollars a year. He intends to raise both corporate taxes and capital gains taxes, costs of which which will be passed on to the consumers. His energy policies are designed to drive fossil fuel producers out of business.

These are all things he has voted on in the past or says he'll do in the future, and they are all straight from the radical leftist playbook.

Speaking of leftist playbooks, Obama was apparently heavily influenced by Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals during his community organizing years. That should scare everyone, but for some odd reason most people don't seem to care.

As for his fundraising efforts, there are serious legal questions about his campaign's fundraising efforts, particularly online contributions, where it appears that quite a bit of cash poured in from overseas sources (highly illegal) and other fraudulent contributions were made. I believe the Justice Dept is looking into this.

[RaoulDuke79]

Open letter from Nader to Obama, I thought it was amusing:

http://counterpunch.org/nader11032008.html

[jove9]

Hitler rose to power. Don't say it can't happen son. He also had the backing of many in Germany in his day.

If those four financial powers and everyone that supported Obama stayed in the economy do you think they could sustain the market alone? NO, and I'm only saying wealthy people liquidating their portfolios in anticipation of Obama was a theory for the economic crisis today.

Wonderful. The socio-economic conditions of Germany in the 20s and 30s is vastly different from that of the United States today. You can't really make that a valid comparison. Oh, and Hitler and Obama are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Bush and Hitler, on the other hand....

Really? I haven't quoted anything.... Well, except that I'm quoting you just now.

"only a fool would call himself a wiseman" - is that not a quote? If it's not off a fortune cookie then it's definitely a derivative off a Confucious proverb.

Actually, no. That's not a quote. I came up with that LONG ago when I was just starting college. I'd give you the background story, but it's not really relevant to what we're discussing. I'm not taking credit for the idea, though, because it isn't that difficult to come up with things like that. It's a lot like saying, "I like pizza" and claiming it as an original thought.

Accused or assumed that Fisterkev has not had a college degree? I think that's what you were trying to infer in one of your earlier posts.

Let's see what I said:

It's too late to be writing books. I'm not trying to insult you when I say this, but if you want to learn about corporate ownership of the media get a library card or go to college.

I don't really feel like arguing about this right now.

Ok, maybe you can read it like that, but it certainly was not designed as an insult. Either way, from the posts that we made earlier, it was clear that I was agreeing with everything fisterkev wrote. The disagreement started when the topic shifted to the "liberal" media.

Anyways, enough of this bickering, believe in what you want, it's your right as a person, but don't go around degrading other people b/c they don't believe in the same ideas that you do.

Hey, you jumped in the conversation saying this:

You keep replying with quotes that in no way supports your argument. I, too, believe the media is really bias and extremely left and it's one of the downfalls of our country. Do I need to go to college too? Trust me man, I'm sure me and fisterkev have more schooling than you, so don't even try to bring that lame ass accusation as a point in your argument.

You are not "teaching" us on how the media isn't extremely left b/c i think you don't really know and hence can't defend the media. Okay, now like the civil "smart & educated" person that you claim to be, please defend your statement with valid points. Thanks

So what's this about ME degrading people and forcing them to think in uniformity? Anyway, you're right. This is getting old. How about those Rockets?

[moofs]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... ith_tears/

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... for_obama/

Man, I can understand really liking a candidate, and liking a candidate even more because you hate the current state (Note 1), and being overjoyed at the c-c-c-c-combo breaker!!! [ http://i33.tinypic.com/zx6yi8.jpg ] (Note 2), but damn. Some people seem to be looking at Obama as "messiah" (Note 3) and all sorts of other crazy *&#%^ (Note 4). Heard even more of it last night and it blows my mind. Regardless of anything else, I'm pretty sure the guy is human, a career politician and a lawyer. It's possible we finally got a Jefferson Smith [ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031679/ ], but I HIGHLY doubt it. It'll be easier to tell once some of the fear-mongering, creative-fact-inventing, bold-faced-lying techniques of the current bunch of douches dies down.

To put what's really bugging me about it another way, I imagine that the way some people talk about him hits my ears similar to the way that a Christian talking about Jesus hits a staunch Atheist's ears (Note 5). Kinda reminds me of the bacchae at times, too. It's not that he's highly respected and admired, as he may well deserve it, more that he's often nearly worshipped.

Feel kinda sorry for Jon Stewart. He looked disoriented last night without the Easiest Target Ever (tm) readily available. More than when his co-writers went on strike even.

Notes
1. Which should almost be expected right now
2. Don't necessarily agree with the sentiments driving that, but also know from a long-ago argument with Trillest that I'm not aware of all the causes of those sentiments in the modern social climate
3. Heard it quite a few times verbatim from several places
4. For instance, Will-I-Am's O-ba-ma hymn
5. To really fit with my views on Obama, I'd be "agnostic", but that breaks the metaphor. For people who don't grab metaphors well, I'm not saying I'm agnostic or atheist, but that's neither here nor there.

Wondering if this footnotes setup works better than my normal "{Huge} [Multilayered] (Parentheticals)" system of writing. Hmmm!

[Amel]

Obama 08 haters

stand up!

[SabasRevenge!]

LULZ @ "media bias extremely left" when 90+% of the media is owned by transnational corporations
LULZ harder @ Fox News as anything more than entertainment when most of their viewers still think Saddam and Osama like hung out on weekends n' stuff and WMD's (remember those?) were found
LULZ off the edge of a cliff @ invoking HITLER in this conversation because that invocation is so incredibly desperate and bitter.

I guess some are sad to see the Bush golden era of the last end because Obama will certainly destroy this time of peace, prosperity, and honor, replacing it with war, economic decline, and shameful, torturous actions to tarnish our image.

Fun game tonight, I like your squad and wish you big wins against LA, SA, DAL, PHX, NO, and pretty much everyone else besides the Blazers.

[MaxRider]

Obama 08 haters

stand up!

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