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Post#121 » by ShaY » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:18 pm

smapor wrote:I disagree with one thing.

T-mac brings stats to the playoffs, however when its 2 mins left in the game and we are down by 2 points. T-mac will taking that fking long 3pt shot, you know he will do it. T-mac lacks the killer instinct, where he just rips the heart out of his opponent. That also includes Yao (personally he should of demanded the ball and shot at least 25+ FG attempts to try and help win the game)

We simply lack a player who has that killer instinct. Maybe Artest has it.


I agree that T-Mac lacks the killer instinct , when he is hot he will shoot a heat check 3 instead of driving when the refs will call a foul for sure because he is hot.

But he still was never the reason we lost in the playoffs and he elveates his game in the playoffs.
Not just stats , his defense and everything.

TMACFORMVP wrote:It's just so frustrating man, rebuilding is obviously not an option, but I think it should heavily be considered if it doesn't click after this season. We have the talent, we have the perimeter scorers, we have the defenders, we have the hustle/defensive minded players, and most importantly, we have the efficient, at times a dominant big man. We have all the tools, we just don't have the mentality to be a great team, we're content with not playing 100% every game, and being mediocre. This team isn't hungry, they lack the attitude to be great. I hope it comes, I'm a fan of this team and want them to succeed, but I'm just not sure of anything with this team so far.


I know how frustrating it is man , I am disgusted about these losses just like you.
And you are right it looks like we have the talent this year , but it still didn't play together.
Ron will come back soon , Barry too but now it looks like Alston is injured , we will be fully healthy imo soon , or at least I hope.

If we fail to get out of the 1st round T-Mac will probably get traded next off season , if we make a deep playoff run we will just give him another year then let him expire.

Thats the best way to go , keeping this team gives us the best chance to win , we will rebuild if we don't win in the next 2 years , now it just won't be smart to do that.

And just one last thing , we have a ton of flaws that we will see in a long regular season , like not having the right attitude all the time , but if we are healthy in the playoffs , T-Mac will bring it every night and everybody else will also , don't knwo how good they will play but they will try hard every game , and we have talent this year.

It's better to have talent that underachieves sometimes and hope they get it together , than to have less talent that go hard everynight but doesn't have enough talent.

With T-Mac and Yao we have 2 guys that are underachieving , thats why it's so frustrating , they show us how good they can be but then sometimes look like utter crap.

The T-Mac and Yao era has one year left imo , if we go on a deep playoff run they will have another chance next year , if we mess it up like in the past we blow it up in the off season imo.
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Post#122 » by A.J. » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:02 pm

TMACFORMVP wrote:Apparently Alston out for two weeks....great....Francis lovers might get their wish..


Yes! It;s about time Francis gets PT. Sorry it had to be this way though. Get well soon Rafer.
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Post#123 » by abcdef » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:12 pm

A.J. wrote:
TMACFORMVP wrote:Apparently Alston out for two weeks....great....Francis lovers might get their wish..


Yes! It;s about time Francis gets PT. Sorry it had to be this way though. Get well soon Rafer.


Oh my goodness. If Francis plays at all, this team is in deep trouble. Francis is not an NBA player anymore. He simply put is completely and utterly washed up.

We must hope that Aaron Brooks is up to the task of running the offense and that Brent Barry can come back quicker than expected.
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Post#124 » by Iggyemu » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:26 pm

I thought the turning point in that game was when Yao went out for those few mins with his eye thing. You could see a change in the Clips...they went from being not sure if they could win....to yea we got this. That right there illustrates the Rockets luck and what'll ultimately keep them from winning anything significant are they are constructed. For something small like that to effect the game in such a way...I just don't know. And I knew it too....I knew if he had to go to the locker room that the Clips would win...even if it was a for 2 mins. Basketball is such a game about confidence and with McGrady struggling as he has been doing on back to backs....when Yao went out we were done...even though he came back.

With Alston being out...thats gonna be tough. Would love to see the big lineup with McGrady, Battier, Artest, Scola and Yao but I doubt Adelman does that even though he should. Its the best lineup on paper it just needs practice on the court.

I just don't see deep playoff run in this team. You never know what'll you get on a night to night basis. IMO the defense is suspect. The offense has never been good. If the offense could be more consistent....get more easy baskets...it'll make up for that drop in defense. We never won in the last 5 years being a great defensive team to begin with anyway....
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Post#125 » by Baller 24 » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:33 pm

To be honest, Francis might be a good option off the bench rather than running our offense; for that reason I don't even want Brooks in there. Over every player, if Brent Barry comes back, I trust him the most in running the offense, hes intelligent, a good passer, and overall can run an offensive scheme. Francis just seems like more of a scoring option off the bench, can't really let him control an offensive system. That's why I'd rather have him out there OVER Head.
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Post#126 » by MaxRider » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:55 pm

Adelman is going to play Head as backup PG instead of playing Francis
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Post#127 » by dunleavyjr » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:27 pm

MaxRider wrote:Adelman is going to play Head as backup PG instead of playing Francis


:oops: Luther Head? Yea, get ready for more of Head's 1-8 fieldgoal shootings. Good luck with the turnovers coz he is such a "good" ballhandler, as well as being a "good" defender.
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Post#128 » by A.J. » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:34 pm

MaxRider wrote:Adelman is going to play Head as backup PG instead of playing Francis


Boy I sure hope not. See this is what I hate about our team. They see some of our players are struggling and they dont want to play the others like Dorsey and Francis. What do we have to lose? They cant possibly be any worse than what we have now.
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Post#129 » by abcdef » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:38 pm

A.J. wrote:
MaxRider wrote:Adelman is going to play Head as backup PG instead of playing Francis


Boy I sure hope not. See this is what I hate about our team. They see some of our players are struggling and they dont want to play the others like Dorsey and Francis. What do we have to lose? They cant possibly be any worse than what we have now.


Francis is utterly washed up and has no business being in the NBA. He needs to retire. His signing was a rare bad move by Morey. At least Luther Head can shoot the trey.

On Dorsey, if you gave him 10 minutes of PT each game he may well foul out every game. That's how bad he is. He needs to learn to play defense without fouling before he can play in the NBA.
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Post#130 » by PETEY PABLO » Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:02 pm

Why was this a game the rockets are supposed to win? The Clippers are much better than their record indicates. They had 10 new guys added over the summer and it has taken them about 15 games to get it going and gel. If you look at their starting line, their guys are having a better season than your starers.


Zach Randolph - 23 ppg 11 rbs
Baron Davis - 18 ppg 8 assts
AL Thornton - 16.4 ppg
Camby - !0 pts 13 rbs 3 blks
Eric Gordon - 8.5 ppg

The issue as os late has been there bench. chris kaman is out. Ricky davis is out.
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Post#131 » by smapor » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:18 am

Because Defensively we are just better.

However in the 1st half, we played like total crap and we still had a 5 PT lead.

2nd half, we came out with a 13 pt lead and than it all went to hell because our offense and defense just crumbled.

Did you know in the last 7 games, we had at least 6-7 players in double figures, how many did we have yesterday? We played like **** in that game.
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Post#132 » by YoungMoney23 » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:42 am

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A.J. wrote:
MaxRider wrote:Adelman is going to play Head as backup PG instead of playing Francis


Boy I sure hope not. See this is what I hate about our team. They see some of our players are struggling and they dont want to play the others like Dorsey and Francis. What do we have to lose? They cant possibly be any worse than what we have now.


Francis is utterly washed up and has no business being in the NBA. He needs to retire. His signing was a rare bad move by Morey. At least Luther Head can shoot the trey.

On Dorsey, if you gave him 10 minutes of PT each game he may well foul out every game. That's how bad he is. He needs to learn to play defense without fouling before he can play in the NBA.


Francis played well in limited action last season before he got hurt and besides you can't get much worse than Luther Head
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Post#133 » by Iggyemu » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:47 am

PETEY PABLO wrote:Why was this a game the rockets are supposed to win? The Clippers are much better than their record indicates. They had 10 new guys added over the summer and it has taken them about 15 games to get it going and gel. If you look at their starting line, their guys are having a better season than your starers.


Zach Randolph - 23 ppg 11 rbs
Baron Davis - 18 ppg 8 assts
AL Thornton - 16.4 ppg
Camby - !0 pts 13 rbs 3 blks
Eric Gordon - 8.5 ppg

The issue as os late has been there bench. chris kaman is out. Ricky davis is out.


LOL at this noob. Your team on its best day isn't a playoff team. The Rockets beat them last week with those same players and same circumstances. The Clippers are the Clippers and will always be a game that any playoff team from last year would consider a blown game if they lost to em. Don't take it personal. I am sure the Blazers too are very pissed they lost to the lowly Clippers. GTFO noob.
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Post#134 » by abcdef » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:03 am

VC#15 wrote:
Francis played well in limited action last season before he got hurt and besides you can't get much worse than Luther Head


No, he didn't play well. He played very poorly. He shot 33%/23.5% 3pt/56.5% FT, on 5.9 ppg/3 apg in 20 mpg. This is not good production. Luther Head can do better than this. I watched the games where Francis played; he was tentative and couldn't move well, and unlike Head he doesn't have a very good jump shot, so outside of that Phoenix game he just stood around and was a liability. Now he's off another knee surgery, and is again out of shape. His performance this season is going to be worse than what it was last year, which means that he should just retire. Frankly I'd rather sign Gary Payton or Sam Cassell to play backup PG than Francis.
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Post#135 » by MaxRider » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:14 am

Adelman is with this team for 1 and 1/4 season now. He doesn't like to play young player that he didn't know. He continued to play Barry even when he's struggling, cause he doesn't know Wafer and Head suck. Took him half a season to finally play Landry, that's because of injuries. Now he got Head in front of Francis. I sure hope my prediction is wrong and hope he play Francis for some time.
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Post#136 » by ShaY » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:31 pm

I hope he plays Francis too but I don't think he will , Francis has missed so many practices because of his cold the last 2 weeks , that can't help his case.

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Post#137 » by moofs » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:11 pm

"cold for the last two weeks" sounds more like an official excuse to me.

I've given up hope of the Francis "topic" getting dropped.
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Post#138 » by abcdef » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:11 pm

If we're going for completely washed up point guards, why don't we sign Bob Cousy or Oscar Robertson out of retirement and play them? How about Clyde Frazier or Calvin Murphy?
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Post#139 » by ShaY » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:58 pm

moofs wrote:"cold for the last two weeks" sounds more like an official excuse to me.

I've given up hope of the Francis "topic" getting dropped.


Yeah thats why I said he doesn't help him self with all these "colds"
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