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Re: Francis Traded To Memphis! 

Post#21 » by Nachbar_is_God » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:02 pm

I don't understand the fascination with Deke. I would much rather use his minutes to develop Doresy while it's still early in the season. Either way, if Deke does sign with us, i hope we win it all this year. He deserves a ring, and i don't want this same type of speculation next year. Deke is going to turn into the NBA version of Clemens.
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Post#22 » by ShaY » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:40 pm

Baller 24 wrote:
ShaY wrote:I think he can and he will come back to the lever he has been in last year's playoffs.
Lets wait and see who will be right and who will be wrong.


Hey I hope he does come back to that form, I'd pray for that actually. But I still can't understand how you can defend his poor and mediocre work ethic, everyone in the entire world knows this guy has the worst conditioning workout out of a lot of good talented players. That's whats getting to me, he wouldn't be in this mess if he seriously took his rehab on a serious matter and really worked hard, but no he didn't---simply not even close, [b]and the fact that he acted like he was a Doctor just throws my mind in the gutter. /b] He is a talented player filled with a lot of skill, but McGrady since 04-05 has developed a Scottie Pippen role, he is no longer a legitimate scoring threat, but more or so a solid glue guy that can fill up every single stat line (a solid one). 08 playoffs McGrady, you really want that? If anything I'd want the last 2 games. And I'm waiting, but this season is a new low for him, there is no way hes going to bounce back to his old form without doing a couple of high scoring games. Listen, you can back him up, wish that he turns out great and everything, I do to. But its just that you're the only one defending him when he himself didn't take his rehab seriously, there are no excuses for "oh, let him be 100%, oh hes long 60%". No excuses at all, he had 5 months, and his poor work ethic got in the way.


He didn't act like a doctor , the doctors said he will get better by playing , he thought he should sit out because the pain was too great to perform like his normal self.

And since his rest he has been great until a 4 game in 5 nights schedule caught up to him , he will get to a point this season when he can be the same player he was the last 2 years and play full 48 minutes against New Orleans great and not suck the next game imo.

And I don't bash him for not rehabbing hard enough because I wasn't there , you weren't there too and in past seasons he wasn't lazy or came into camp out of shape , but please lets not get into that we argued about that too many times we won't ever agree.

And Mcgrady has his flaws , those flaws along with helath problems is what seperates him from Kobe and Lebron I am not a Mcgrady homer , he doesn't show up sometimes in the regular season and he always makes stupid comments in the media.

He lacks the killer instinct those guys have and I have come to accept that.

I still think that he can be what he has been last year and the year before and that we can win a championship with him if we are healthy , he has always brought it in the playoffs.
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Post#23 » by hackle » Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:18 am

Good luck to Steve, wish he get some minutes in Memphis.
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Post#24 » by King Roosk » Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:35 am

If Dikembe doesn't come back to Houston I'll be really sad. I want the man to get a championship ring, but I want it to be as a Rocket...and definitely NOT as a Spur or Celtic.
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Post#25 » by Baller 24 » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:21 am

He didn't act like a doctor , the doctors said he will get better by playing , he thought he should sit out because the pain was too great to perform like his normal self.

And since his rest he has been great until a 4 game in 5 nights schedule caught up to him , he will get to a point this season when he can be the same player he was the last 2 years and play full 48 minutes against New Orleans great and not suck the next game imo.


That's not my point, he listened to the doctors during the regular season yes, he did the right thing, and after he got back he was doing terrific. But my point was in the off-season, he had 5 months to prepare and recover from his injury, he simply didn't take it serious enough, and that's because he has poor physical conditioning, and always has had it.

And I don't bash him for not rehabbing hard enough because I wasn't there , you weren't there too and in past seasons he wasn't lazy or came into camp out of shape , but please lets not get into that we argued about that too many times we won't ever agree.


That's the thing you should bash him about, he had since June 2008 till September 2008 to fully prepare and recover from this. The reason he had off season surgery so early was because he could recover in time, this is what he should be bashed for, because if you truly know McGrady, he has poor conditioning and poor work ethic.

In the past seasons? I've been keeping track of his career since his first year in Orlando. He himself said on many different occasions that the first time he truly put forth effort into his workout routine was in 2002; the off season, and look how that season turned out, he did 32/5/7/46%/39%; and that's what separates him ultimately from Kobe Bryant, that's why at the age of 29 he is playing like hes 35. His body had the talent, he has the skill, but if you don't routinely keep in check, and pertain to strong physical conditioning for a player like him, its going to hurt you in the long run, and we can see it right now. He wasn't lazy, yes---he did come to training camp prepared in the past, but what I'm trying to say is he has poor physical conditioning. Bill Walton once said that Tracy McGrady in the year 2002 had the "chance of becoming the greatest player of all time", that wasn't going to happen, but he had that potential, and its sad to see him go down the way he did, because of one thing, and something that he still has a problem with --- physical conditioning, he clearly wouldn't have had to take time off in the off season if you had five **** months to prepare, give me a brake. If you have kept track of McGrady's career, you'd know all of this, and you wouldn't be defending this part every single time. Those Doctor's went to profession school for 8+ years, McGrady hasn't step foot in college. They said that he was going to be fine if he took his rehabilitation process seriously and did what he was suppose to do, but he didn't, and again if you've followed his career you'd know why ---- poor physical conditioning.

And Mcgrady has his flaws , those flaws along with helath problems is what seperates him from Kobe and Lebron I am not a Mcgrady homer , he doesn't show up sometimes in the regular season and he always makes stupid comments in the media.


I'm a homer for the old one, but again the difference that came down between Kobe and McGrady was one simple thing --- poor physical conditioning, that's whats separates the line between them. You can hope and do all you want, but what frustrates me is you keep saying "100%", and defending him, when he clearly wouldn't have been in this mess if he stuck to what the Doctors told him in the off season.

He lacks the killer instinct those guys have and I have come to accept that.

I still think that he can be what he has been last year and the year before and that we can win a championship with him if we are healthy , he has always brought it in the playoffs.


What he can bring is last season McGrady, maybe a better overall passer, defender, and reboudner, but aside from that scoring is as down as always.
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Re: Francis Traded To Memphis! 

Post#26 » by Hoops23 » Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:16 am

Good trade for both teams.

The Grizz got Francis for free because the cash as part of the package is the money to be use for a buy out.

Its a cash saving move for Houston because they're now below the lux tax.
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Re: Francis Traded To Memphis! 

Post#27 » by tisbee » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:59 am

TMAC4MVP,
The established price to dump an NBA player and his salary is a First Rd pick. This summer Philly gave Minn their 09 First to unload Carney and Booth,who's combined cap value is less than Francis'. Last yr SA sent the Durants a First in order to unload salary. To unload Francis' salary for only a Second-which Morey extorted from Memphis in the first place-is a steal.

The Trade Exception gained might not be of much use this yr,but next summer,when the team is still over the Cap,it gives the team the ability to pick up a player.

One aspect so far overlooked is the Rockets only have 13 players under contract. They have 3 weeks to sign somebody to get to 14. Which still leaves an open roster spot for emergencies,and a decent TE to use to fill it.
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Re: Francis Traded To Memphis! 

Post#28 » by moofs » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:38 am

Best Christmas present ever.

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Re: Francis Traded To Memphis! 

Post#29 » by footballbizz » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:51 pm

It was a mistake the Walker´s arrival last summer and I think it is another bad decision of the Memphis´s GM. Francis is not necessary having Mike Conley and Kyle Lowry in the roster.
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Re: Francis Traded To Memphis! 

Post#30 » by jove9 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:01 am

Wait! But he's supposed to replace Alston as the starter!

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Re: Francis Traded To Memphis! 

Post#31 » by GrandAdmiralDan » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:20 am

tisbee wrote:One aspect so far overlooked is the Rockets only have 13 players under contract. They have 3 weeks to sign somebody to get to 14. Which still leaves an open roster spot for emergencies,and a decent TE to use to fill it.


Actually, that is not the case.
Teams are only required to carry 13 players. I'm not sure where that 3 week figure came from, but there is a 2 week time period that you can drop down to 12 active and 0 inactive when necessary.

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