ShaY wrote:The guy who reported the deal now says that he expected the deal to be completed by now and that if Villanueva plays for tehm tonight the deal is pretty much dead.
I said no such thing.
That was one of our mods who said that. You are perhaps getting confused because he created the thread for me, because I wasn't by a computer and posting on this site via my PocketPC browser is a pain (limited to 260 characters per post, with no copy and pasting into the text box) so I sent him an email with what I wanted him to post.
He mentions he is just relaying the info for me, GrandAdmiralDan (GAD), in the original post.
Anyway, as I said in our own thread, NBA players who are involved in ongoing trade discussions usually don't get sat for games PRIOR to the trade actually being finalized and submitted. For example, even when Atlanta acquired Sheed from Portland and immediately started working on trading him again, they still used him in 1 game even though they were working out a trade with Detroit.
It is AFTER trades like these actually become final (paper work submitted to the league office) that players wind up not playing in games, sometimes even still in street clothes on the bench of their new teams until all players involved have passed required physicals (unless teams waive the physical requirement), etc.
I don't know whether this will still happen or not. I have received no further indication indicating anything one way or the other. It could absolutely still occur. Maybe after Tuesday's games or Wednesday when the Bucks are in Houston. Then everyone can take their physicals while we're all in town together, and possibly we would both be short handed against each other, making that a wash, whereas at any other point we would both be short handed perhaps against other teams. Hard to say.
I did say in the original post on this that these were "ongoing discussions"
I did indicate that I expected it to happen, but I'm not sure why anyone thought I said it was a done deal, final, etc. considering I made sure to say "ongoing discussions"
I also mentioned that Landry would have to consent to the trade. I said I imagined he would and gave some reasons why I imagined that, but that was clearly indicating that I didn't know whether or not he actually would consent. I can see the argument for why he might not as well.
Good thread here, though. I don't spend much time at all here on the Houston board, but you've got some classy fans here, which is always good to see.
It was mentioned that the Rockets had interest in Villanueva last season. Was that a reference to that possible Redd+Villanueva for McGrady deal? That's the only thing that rings a bell (and am I forgetting any components in that trade that never materialized?).
tisbee wrote:Wonder if Rockets were calling about Elson(close match w/Head's salary) or Gadzuric(Head,Landry would just match under 125% + $125,000 trade rules) as back-up plan to Motumbo signing elsewhere-or instead of. Milwaukee countered w/Villanueva for Landry,and the Rockets said no thanks we're looking for a backup C. The Bucks then came back w/widening of trade to include Lakers who would send Mihm to Rockets.
(Finally looked at salaries and there's no need to include Head in a landry/Villanueva swap,the salaries are close enough. A Head/Lue/Mihm swap is just doable w/out any other players being needed.)
Their salaries may appear to be close enough, but Landry is BYC, so Houston DOES need to send out more than Landry in order to acquire Villanueva. But if the Bucks were to only send out Villanueva, we wouldn't be able to take back as much salary as you'd have to send out.
That TPE generated in the Francis deal overcomes that obstacle. We could actually just send you either Lue, Malik Allen, or Elson and we'd be set, but the info I had was that we are sending Lue to the Lakers in this deal.
It is possible that Mihm would come to the Bucks instead and the Rockets would get Allen or Elson from the Bucks. Those could be some of the final details that are being ironed out still, perhaps.
