[Cron] T-Mac getting it from all sides

[Baller 24]

That is true, yet I could see Redd becomming a better player with a Ming or Artest, as well as Battier to play with.

I dont think Skiles wants anything to do with a T-Mac, especially with a Milwaukee team that is going nowhere for a while

T-Mac is more fitting as second/third wheel on a championship caliber team like in Dallas with Kidd and Nowizki

maybe Josh Howard,Erick Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse for T-Mac, Scola, Barry

you might laugh at that deal, but those three guys could give Houston a huge amount of depth come playoff time and I consider Howard underated despite his offseason problems.

Basically Stack has one more year after this and Howard can to if he decline his team option. Dampier is a little longer, but we need a serviceable center for the longrun when Yao goes down to injury.


C-Ming/Dampier
PF-Hayes/Landry/Dorsey
SF-Howard/Battier
SG-Artest/Stackhouse
PG-Brooks/Alston/Head

The thing is though; despite getting all of that depth, there is one problem. None of them can create plays, and McGrady is unarguably the teams best play-maker, and the player that keeps this team glued together. This team values his passing skills way to much, and there aren't many players that have those abilities; I'd say outside of point guards, only LeBron James is a better passer than McGrady for a player outside of the top point guards (I consider Wade more a combo guard, but he also has poor ball handling skills).

[dlee7283]

That is true, yet I could see Redd becomming a better player with a Ming or Artest, as well as Battier to play with.

I dont think Skiles wants anything to do with a T-Mac, especially with a Milwaukee team that is going nowhere for a while

T-Mac is more fitting as second/third wheel on a championship caliber team like in Dallas with Kidd and Nowizki

maybe Josh Howard,Erick Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse for T-Mac, Scola, Barry

you might laugh at that deal, but those three guys could give Houston a huge amount of depth come playoff time and I consider Howard underated despite his offseason problems.

Basically Stack has one more year after this and Howard can to if he decline his team option. Dampier is a little longer, but we need a serviceable center for the longrun when Yao goes down to injury.


C-Ming/Dampier
PF-Hayes/Landry/Dorsey
SF-Howard/Battier
SG-Artest/Stackhouse
PG-Brooks/Alston/Head

The thing is though; despite getting all of that depth, there is one problem. None of them can create plays, and McGrady is unarguably the teams best play-maker, and the player that keeps this team glued together. This team values his passing skills way to much, and there aren't many players that have those abilities; I'd say outside of point guards, only LeBron James is a better passer than McGrady for a player outside of the top point guards (I consider Wade more a combo guard, but he also has poor ball handling skills).

You exactly right, it would be hard to give up on a guy that literally was a top 3 guy in this league 4 years ago and is still top 10-15 in some circles. I love T-Mac but I could see him thriving on a different team at this point in his career because it is hard to imagine Yao and T-Mac winning a championship without a 3rd superstar. Which I have dubbed the Ray Allen factor

I think T-Mac has a great coach in Rick who loves a good passing game, something T-Mac is good at. The problem is that besides T-Mac, Yao is the only other go to guy on this team. Battier is a great defensive stop/energy guy/6th man, similiar to Posey and is a key but not the key. We got Artest dirt cheap and I like him on this team but he can be irratic at times despite his awesome stance on D.

We just have to decide if we are going to trade T-Mac for a downgrade at the 2/3 and more depth or to package Artest/Battier for a true star SF/SG. I don't know of any who would want both Battier AND Artest for their star SF/SG. Maybe get Melo and JR Smith

If we did my Dallas deal and swung that Landry for Nova and Lue I think this team could have a solid 10 man rotation for the 1st time in years. We still wouldnt be perfect and would need to move Alston eventually.

[ShaY]

LOL at T-Mac for Redd; we are desperate, but not foolish. McGrady is still a better passer, defender, rebounder, and this season LOL hes beating Redd at his own game (hes a better three point shooter, and has a better FG%).

That is true, yet I could see Redd becomming a better player with a Ming or Artest, as well as Battier to play with.

I dont think Skiles wants anything to do with a T-Mac, especially with a Milwaukee team that is going nowhere for a while

T-Mac is more fitting as second/third wheel on a championship caliber team like in Dallas with Kidd and Nowizki

maybe Josh Howard,Erick Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse for T-Mac, Scola, Barry

you might laugh at that deal, but those three guys could give Houston a huge amount of depth come playoff time and I consider Howard underated despite his offseason problems.

Basically Stack has one more year after this and Howard will too if we decline his team option. That is if he isnt doing well and we would have almost 20 mill to play with in 2010. Dampier is a year longer then Stack and Howard, but we need a serviceable center for the longrun when Yao goes down to injury since Mutombo is headed for the old folks home.


C-Ming/Dampier
PF-Hayes/Landry/Dorsey
SF-Howard/Battier
SG-Artest/Stackhouse
PG-Brooks/Alston/Head

How does that deal help us?
Mcgrady>Howard
Scola>>Dampier
and Stackhouse is not even better than Barry in his current shape.
And we add salary beyond 2010.

Paying 13 million dollar for a backup center for 12 minutes a game is dumb.

[T-Wack]

Man, some of you people are ignorant as ****. If you want to criticize the dude, go right ahead, but you just sound like idiots when you say he's finished as an NBA player. McGrady's not done. You could have legitimately made that case early in the season, but not now. He showed that he's still got it, even on one knee, several times after getting a little bit of rest. He just had a triple double like five games ago. It's been the same story every year since he's been here: Fans cry, and bitch nonstop about how he'll never be "Orlando" McGrady, or about how he "has no heart" and he comes back and proves everyone wrong.

With the talent on this team, all we need out of him is 18 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists. If he's healthy, then I have no doubt in my mind that he can deliver that. He's been posting 16, 4 and 4 while hurt, so once he gets back some explosiveness, we should be good. And he seems to play way better with Brooks, so Adelman needs to take a serious look at that, as well.

[dlee7283]

LOL at T-Mac for Redd; we are desperate, but not foolish. McGrady is still a better passer, defender, rebounder, and this season LOL hes beating Redd at his own game (hes a better three point shooter, and has a better FG%).

That is true, yet I could see Redd becomming a better player with a Ming or Artest, as well as Battier to play with.

I dont think Skiles wants anything to do with a T-Mac, especially with a Milwaukee team that is going nowhere for a while

T-Mac is more fitting as second/third wheel on a championship caliber team like in Dallas with Kidd and Nowizki

maybe Josh Howard,Erick Dampier and Jerry Stackhouse for T-Mac, Scola, Barry

you might laugh at that deal, but those three guys could give Houston a huge amount of depth come playoff time and I consider Howard underated despite his offseason problems.

Basically Stack has one more year after this and Howard will too if we decline his team option. That is if he isnt doing well and we would have almost 20 mill to play with in 2010. Dampier is a year longer then Stack and Howard, but we need a serviceable center for the longrun when Yao goes down to injury since Mutombo is headed for the old folks home.


C-Ming/Dampier
PF-Hayes/Landry/Dorsey
SF-Howard/Battier
SG-Artest/Stackhouse
PG-Brooks/Alston/Head

How does that deal help us?
Mcgrady>Howard
Scola>>Dampier
and Stackhouse is not even better than Barry in his current shape.
And we add salary beyond 2010.

Paying 13 million dollar for a backup center for 12 minutes a game is dumb.

Your stongest point is about Dampier, I admit that, which kills the deal

But I honestly think your incorrect about Barry being better than Stack and Scola being MUCH
better than Dampier.

[ShaY]

Your stongest point is about Dampier, I admit that, which kills the deal

But I honestly think your incorrect about Barry being better than Stack and Scola being MUCH
better than Dampier.

The 2 >> was a mistake , I didn't mean to say Scola is much ebtter but he is still better , and T-Mac is also better than Howard.

And Barry and Stacjhouse are about even , Stackhouse has been horrible this year ,losing his spot to guys like Gerald Green and Antoine Wright.

Honestly I wouldn't even consider Mcgrady by himself for all 3 , Howard is nice but not as good as Mcgrady , Stackhouse is done and Dampier has negative value.

[CuttingEdge]

I would give you Michael Redd for T-Mac in a heartbeat...

I love to watch T-Mac as a player regardless to what you all are saying and am willing to take his baggage and bad back if you get Redd out of my sight!

The young man is still a treat to watch play...

Perhaps back in the East he might have an easier road to the Finals and we can perhaps make a run with him and Richard Jefferson and Andrew Bogut.

Perhaps make a play Stephon Marbury (I wanted Steve Francis from your team...) and sneak up on some teams...

Ok, I am back now from my daydream ...let me live a little and have just one fleeting momment of delusional NBA Finals bliss....LOL

Now back to reality and looking at Michael Redd hoist up wild ass jumpers...and lose.

^^^ Im not going to begin on how delusional this poster is. I of course came up with the Chris Anderson thread.

[fisterkev]

I was at the game last night and I can say after watching that one, and seeing his performance this season, I would certainly trade him. He is as useful as a scrub right now.

Everyone has a bad night every once in a while, but with TMac you never know what you're going to get anymore; you're as likely to get a 4/1/1/ night as you are a 24/7/7 night nowadays.

With Yao and Artest both on we can still win games. Last night proved that when 2 or our 3 are off we will lose to anybody. Yao is usually fairly consistent, but TMac can't be counted upon anymore. I'd definitely be feeling other teams out about now.

[vinsanity09]

Mcgrady is so frustarting because if he had more heart he could have been one of the greats ever , but he will never reach that potential , and pair that with his playoff failures , the fact he is not as good as he was and his frusrating injuries , people give up on him.

Reminds me of someone, it must be in the family

But you guys have one hell of a team, if the injury bug doesn't strike you for once, you should be able to go past the first round with ease. I'm really not looking forward to Friday lol

[Baller 24]

In all honesty, he needs to take a month off. This switching coming back every now and then isn't working, and he looks completely out of funk. Earlier last month he said he was taking 3 weeks off because that one awesome doctor told him too, but he came back within 1 week and 2 days (just because he felt better). But that's not enough, he obviously didn't take the rehab seriously over the summer, but if he can take about a month off, and get back in February he really should be fine. Its kind of risky with him switching games every now and then; it really isn't helping him anyway. ---The thing about him playing on this injury is what if he gets this knee damage worse then it already is? It could result in his season go down the drain, not sure, but IMO the way hes been playing he needs to take a month off, or at least some time off (since he again didn't listen to that "awesome" doctor).

[HTown_TMac]

In all honesty, he needs to take a month off. This switching coming back every now and then isn't working, and he looks completely out of funk. Earlier last month he said he was taking 3 weeks off because that one awesome doctor told him too, but he came back within 1 week and 2 days (just because he felt better). But that's not enough, he obviously didn't take the rehab seriously over the summer, but if he can take about a month off, and get back in February he really should be fine. Its kind of risky with him switching games every now and then; it really isn't helping him anyway. ---The thing about him playing on this injury is what if he gets this knee damage worse then it already is? It could result in his season go down the drain, not sure, but IMO the way hes been playing he needs to take a month off, or at least some time off (since he again didn't listen to that "awesome" doctor).

The 'awesome' doctor also told him that he cannot make it worse by playing on it.

[moofs]

It'd be nice if he could take a month off, Artest and Battier too, for that matter. They're all toughing it out to keep us in the runnings though, since those three can't well all be out at the same time and us win many games. Mac's just handicapped more than the other two, apparently.

[fisterkev]

I'm not convinced his body is the main problem. I think his head is in the wrong place.

On other teams when a player, the day of a game, somply goes to coach and says "I'm not playing tonight", sparks fly. But TMac gets a pass?

I don't know what's going on in his head, but it does not appear that he has either the motivation or the focus to be effective. I don't question his skill or ability, but I do question his mindset.