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Re: Game Thread Houston @ OKC 

Post#241 » by PocketRockets » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:21 am

Iggyemu wrote:
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I way I see it is that this team no longer relies on the concept of 1st, 2nd and 3rd options. Our players, including Yao and McGrady, have been too inconsistent and injury-riddled to establish such idea. However, the good news is that we have players, formerly called "role players", who can score when given playing time. Therefore, I don't think think Adelman shouldn't establish a fixed rotation. What he should do is: 1. identify which players are ready to play, 2. distribute playing time according to matchups that will be in our favor.


Completely disagree. That type of thinking is great for first, second, third quarters. But if the game is close in the 4th quarter you need to your stars..inconsistent, not 100%...whatever...to step up. Tonight McGrady and Yao did that. In Boston Yao did that and Aaron Brooks filled that McGrady role and Artest was Artest.

Its great to have guys that can play when given an opportunity but you not gonna beat good teams in close games with those guys. This is why McGrady has to be healthy..Yao has to catch a second wind and Artest as well needs to get healthy. What you are saying is that stars means nothing..when I know you know that isn't true. Stars are everything in this league and while guys may be able to step up in spots its the stars that'll ultimately take you home with a W. Look no further than tonight with McGrady's big 3 and Yao's great last 2-3 mins.


Not saying we don't need stars or the stars to step up, we're just saying the lineups aren't set i.e. tmac has to play 40 mins, Yao 38 mins, Ron 40 mins, etc. RA is trying to establish a more balanced team to help ease the disadvantages of injuries. I know what you're saying about stars stepping up when the game is on the line, but we need everyone on the court to be able to hit a shot, make a block, get a charge, etc at the end of the game, not just tmac/yao. We need to get every player, that could be on the court in the playoffs, ready to play in the time of need.
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Re: Game Thread Houston @ OKC 

Post#242 » by T-Wack » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:28 am

Iggyemu wrote:That was you and you just digging deeper holes as you keep denying it. Wow you are a nooob. Why did you do that? Why jinx us so hard like that. Now and you rub it in our faces by showing up on this board and posting like if wasn't you. You need to get hell off of here before I e-slap you and you know e-thug it out.


Oh noes! I don't want you to go all "e-thug" on me. Please, anything but that!


You are either absolutely insane, or really, really high. I mean, I can't even argue with you, because I have no idea what you're babbling on about.
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Re: Game Thread Houston @ OKC 

Post#243 » by TMU » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:13 am

Iggyemu wrote:
T-Mac United wrote:
I way I see it is that this team no longer relies on the concept of 1st, 2nd and 3rd options. Our players, including Yao and McGrady, have been too inconsistent and injury-riddled to establish such idea. However, the good news is that we have players, formerly called "role players", who can score when given playing time. Therefore, I don't think think Adelman shouldn't establish a fixed rotation. What he should do is: 1. identify which players are ready to play, 2. distribute playing time according to matchups that will be in our favor.


Completely disagree. That type of thinking is great for first, second, third quarters. But if the game is close in the 4th quarter you need to your stars..inconsistent, not 100%...whatever...to step up. Tonight McGrady and Yao did that. In Boston Yao did that and Aaron Brooks filled that McGrady role and Artest was Artest.

Its great to have guys that can play when given an opportunity but you not gonna beat good teams in close games with those guys. This is why McGrady has to be healthy..Yao has to catch a second wind and Artest as well needs to get healthy. What you are saying is that stars means nothing..when I know you know that isn't true. Stars are everything in this league and while guys may be able to step up in spots its the stars that'll ultimately take you home with a W. Look no further than tonight with McGrady's big 3 and Yao's great last 2-3 mins.


All valid points. Stars get the most playing time because they can expose matchups and get the best production for your team. Sure if they're available and can live up to their stardom, by all means, play them. I'm not saying stars are unimportant. What I'm trying saying is that this team has some talent to get pass loyalty and star treatment. Loyalty and stardom should be given to those who maximize the team's efficiency with consistency. Neither McGrady nor Yao (to a lesser extent) has done that so far, and I'm not just talking about stars either. Even a "role player" such as Rafer hasn't proved that he deserves more minutes than the less experienced Brooks.

PocketRockets put it nicely. With Yao and McGrady not living up to our expectations, and in the midst of injuries, this is our chance to establish a more balanced team. Once Yao and McGrady get their groove back, we'll be a very dangerous team.
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Re: Game Thread Houston @ OKC 

Post#244 » by tisbee » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:37 am

Assuming the Rockets ever get healthy.Von Wafer's play gives Adelman some nice options. He can go w/Barry in a half-court grind-it-out slugfest,or he can go to Wafer in a faster tempo game,or the chance of some instant offense. And Wafer would be teamed w/either Battier or Artest so his defensive shortcomings won't be so exposed.
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Re: Game Thread Houston @ OKC 

Post#245 » by BaYBaller » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:11 am

Well gutsy win, but our defense is my top concern right now w/ Battier, Artest, and T-Mac in and out of the line-up. That is all the length we have on the perimeter. Elite guards will tear it up against us until we get these guys back healthy. I just hope Battier comes back soon because we need him to weather the storm.
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Re: Game Thread Houston @ OKC 

Post#246 » by Iggyemu » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:26 am

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All valid points. Stars get the most playing time because they can expose matchups and get the best production for your team. Sure if they're available and can live up to their stardom, by all means, play them. I'm not saying stars are unimportant. What I'm trying saying is that this team has some talent to get pass loyalty and star treatment. Loyalty and stardom should be given to those who maximize the team's efficiency with consistency. Neither McGrady nor Yao (to a lesser extent) has done that so far, and I'm not just talking about stars either. Even a "role player" such as Rafer hasn't proved that he deserves more minutes than the less experienced Brooks.

PocketRockets put it nicely. With Yao and McGrady not living up to our expectations, and in the midst of injuries, this is our chance to establish a more balanced team. Once Yao and McGrady get their groove back, we'll be a very dangerous team.


In that case I actually think we are doing that....maybe not as cut and dry as you put it but to some extent we are trying to balance things and giving guys a chance to show what they can do. I think the real test will be whether or not these guys who are getting legit shots like Wafer and Brooks will play big against the better teams. I think we'll find out something about these guys..win or lose...on Tuesday. Yea we have to be more balanced and I hope we can be. I like Brooks scoring ability and Wafer's athleticism which he uses to get himself better looks and his teammates better looks. I think as this is constructed right now that those two guys along with Landry are the only ones warranting big minutes over our starters. And so far they are getting it.

I would like to see how things play out when Battier, McGrady and Artest come back full time. I think what we are seeing now is we have a shot at having a real potent bench. And maybe like some of you have suggested...if Alston is willing to run the second unit and not start...maybe we can make a run at something substantial this season.
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Re: Game Thread Houston @ OKC 

Post#247 » by tha_rock220 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:37 am

Again with the bloody labels. The Rockets don't need a hierarchy of options. What they need is their guys to get healthy. Ideally when everyone comes back and gets healthy the big 3 will get theirs every game without ruining the flow of the offense and whoever else has it going will contribute. Likely 2 out of the 3 will be having good games, and the 3rd will be relegated to roleplayers that game along with whoever else is playing well.

Simply put, if Artest and McGrady are playing well but Yao isn't, and Landry is going off then those 3 need to be the guys who carry the bulk of the offense. There's no reason to needlessly complicate things by saying players x gets y numbers of shots and y should be in between the number of attempts players w and z get. Just play basketball.
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