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[Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets

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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#321 » by grond » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:35 am

Game summary:

Yao is clutch. Provided we give him the goddam ball.

Scola must have caught the flu from Yao. That's the only explanation for such a #$%$#%^ performance in light of his season-long conistency.

That play at the end of the 1st OT. OM$#^$# GOD. WTF were they doing loading the side that Yao was on. Battier in the corner and his defender hedging on the entry pass. Why the #$%$#% wasn't it isolation on the wing with Yao down low and the passer onthe perim?@#$@

T-Mac United wrote:Stuckey drive. Knew it coming... Lowry is not a good pick-n-roll defender.


Actually, he is. He does everything a good defender does in a p'n'r situation. He sees the pick early, adjusts his position, and fights through it. The fact is, even the best defenders will not be able to get through a good pick ~ 25% of the time. That particular play was actually Hayes' fault. The entire point of sub'ing Yao off was that we could switch on the perimeter if they p'n'r'd. Instead Hayes overplayed and Stukey was given a big gap to split, leading to the open lane and layup.

Iggyemu wrote:And another thing. I like Brooks but this guy is not a starter. He is inconsistent offensively and doesn't create shots. At least Lowry is consistent on defense. He should be playing more down the stretch of games. Although thats not the reason we are struggling tonight. Just something I think we should do more often.


Hah. With all due respect, the EXACT reasons that you state are the EXACT reasons why me, MaxRider (and others) preferred Rafer over Brooks in the first place.
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#322 » by moofs » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:30 pm

Iggyemu wrote:Until we get a great player to run the point I'm going to hate whoever's there. And by "great" I mean they hit their averages every single night. That's all I ask really.


What kind of weird game is it where Barry and Battier both dunked on fastbreaks? No-jump-cru!
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#323 » by YaoZaii » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:12 pm

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Iggyemu wrote:Until we get a great player to run the point I'm going to hate whoever's there. And by "great" I mean they hit their averages every single night. That's all I ask really.



yea. Rafer's 1-10 averages. haha. Joking.

Give Lowry and Brooks some time... maybe they'll be more consistent... actually i feel Lowry is more consistent.
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Post#324 » by Iggyemu » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:27 pm

grond wrote:Game summary:

Iggyemu wrote:And another thing. I like Brooks but this guy is not a starter. He is inconsistent offensively and doesn't create shots. At least Lowry is consistent on defense. He should be playing more down the stretch of games. Although thats not the reason we are struggling tonight. Just something I think we should do more often.


Hah. With all due respect, the EXACT reasons that you state are the EXACT reasons why me, MaxRider (and others) preferred Rafer over Brooks in the first place.


Yes but we are not talking about in relation to Alston. Alston was never the answer. I would just rather see Lowry who at least gives you a consistent effort defensively. Brooks can start...but we Lowry should finish most games especially if the other team has a good PG.
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#325 » by Iggyemu » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:28 pm

moofs wrote:
Iggyemu wrote:Until we get a great player to run the point I'm going to hate whoever's there. And by "great" I mean they hit their averages every single night. That's all I ask really.


What kind of weird game is it where Barry and Battier both dunked on fastbreaks? No-jump-cru!


LOL...dam right I will. Its no secret how nearly unbeatable we are when we get good PG play. JVG's system...Adelman's system. All built on good, consistent PG play.
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#326 » by TMU » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:20 pm

grond wrote:Actually, he is. He does everything a good defender does in a p'n'r situation. He sees the pick early, adjusts his position, and fights through it. The fact is, even the best defenders will not be able to get through a good pick ~ 25% of the time. That particular play was actually Hayes' fault. The entire point of sub'ing Yao off was that we could switch on the perimeter if they p'n'r'd. Instead Hayes overplayed and Stukey was given a big gap to split, leading to the open lane and layup.


I respectfully disagree. I've seen it one too many times where creates too much space around the pick when chasing his opponent. As a result, he's always a step behind his man under non-switch situations.

Just saw the clip a bunch of times. You're right in that Hayes overplayed the Stuckey, but it was partly due to McDyess' moving screen on Lowry. Dice cheated his way to shut off Lowry, and Hayes tried to get closer to Dice and overplayed Stuckey. I think that explains the scenario, but it was a bad illustration on my part that Lowry is not a great pick-and-roll defender... didn't see that moving screen.
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#327 » by MaxRider » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:33 pm

I don't know about you guys, but this game in the 4th ad OT reminded me of the 2004 Lakers vs Pistons finals.

Yao (Shaq) scored a few points in the post and had a cushion lead (2 possessions game), then Artest (Kobe) being stupid trying to be the hero put up a difficult shot (wasted a possession). Thanks God Pistons are tired and playing without Hamilton, Wallace, and Iverson.
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#328 » by King Roosk » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:40 pm

I know it was an ugly win, but at least it was a win. The Rockets that I've grown accustomed to would have given up when down 79-75 with just under 5 minutes to go, but this team is different. We got really unlucky throughout the game, didn't defend the paint very well when Yao was out, and every shot that Detroit missed seemed to bounce right back into their hands. But hey, we stuck it out and walked away with a W...all good teams struggle in games that they shouldn't lose. The Lakers blew a 14 pt lead on their homecourt to Philadelphia a couple nights ago; things like that happen. I'm just happy we walked away with a win, and we can learn from our mistakes as we continue to build.

We're 12-4 since Mcgrady went out for the season, the losses being: a meltdown in Chicago, at Utah, and to SA and LA...not bad.
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#329 » by Undrafted Rook » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:25 pm

grond wrote:That play at the end of the 1st OT. OM$#^$# GOD. WTF were they doing loading the side that Yao was on. Battier in the corner and his defender hedging on the entry pass. Why the #$%$#% wasn't it isolation on the wing with Yao down low and the passer onthe perim?@#$@


I still like that play, I think it's the best way to beat fronting defense because it only leaves 1 player on the weakside if the PF is at the high post. If you reverse the defender playing behind Yao has a long way to closeout.

The play didn't work because PG was hesitant with the ball, he should've passed it to Battier for the post entry. Hubie Brown talked about it also.
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#330 » by sook » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:58 pm

grond wrote:Game summary:

Yao is clutch. Provided we give him the goddam ball.

Scola must have caught the flu from Yao. That's the only explanation for such a #$%$#%^ performance in light of his season-long conistency.

That play at the end of the 1st OT. OM$#^$# GOD. WTF were they doing loading the side that Yao was on. Battier in the corner and his defender hedging on the entry pass. Why the #$%$#% wasn't it isolation on the wing with Yao down low and the passer onthe perim?@#$@

T-Mac United wrote:Stuckey drive. Knew it coming... Lowry is not a good pick-n-roll defender.


Actually, he is. He does everything a good defender does in a p'n'r situation. He sees the pick early, adjusts his position, and fights through it. The fact is, even the best defenders will not be able to get through a good pick ~ 25% of the time. That particular play was actually Hayes' fault. The entire point of sub'ing Yao off was that we could switch on the perimeter if they p'n'r'd. Instead Hayes overplayed and Stukey was given a big gap to split, leading to the open lane and layup.

Iggyemu wrote:And another thing. I like Brooks but this guy is not a starter. He is inconsistent offensively and doesn't create shots. At least Lowry is consistent on defense. He should be playing more down the stretch of games. Although thats not the reason we are struggling tonight. Just something I think we should do more often.


Hah. With all due respect, the EXACT reasons that you state are the EXACT reasons why me, MaxRider (and others) preferred Rafer over Brooks in the first place.

Grond, Brooks shot 50% from the field and 3pt land, the only other time I see Rafer running this team is in my nightmares. I never want that sorry excuse for a point guard to ever come close to this team again. Sure rafer has a low TOs but thats simply because of the way he ran the offense. To gain something you have to take risks, Alston ran the offense in such a safe pass only mode we couldn't ever speed the tempo up like we are with lowry and Brooks. I'm sorry but i just can't understand the logic behind all the brooks bashing. He is a great player and its only his 2nd year
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#331 » by grond » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:24 pm

sook wrote:
grond wrote:
Iggyemu wrote:And another thing. I like Brooks but this guy is not a starter. He is inconsistent offensively and doesn't create shots. At least Lowry is consistent on defense. He should be playing more down the stretch of games. Although thats not the reason we are struggling tonight. Just something I think we should do more often.


Hah. With all due respect, the EXACT reasons that you state are the EXACT reasons why me, MaxRider (and others) preferred Rafer over Brooks in the first place.

Grond, Brooks shot 50% from the field and 3pt land, the only other time I see Rafer running this team is in my nightmares. I never want that sorry excuse for a point guard to ever come close to this team again. Sure rafer has a low TOs but thats simply because of the way he ran the offense. To gain something you have to take risks, Alston ran the offense in such a safe pass only mode we couldn't ever speed the tempo up like we are with lowry and Brooks. I'm sorry but i just can't understand the logic behind all the brooks bashing. He is a great player and its only his 2nd year


Misunderstanding here. I wasn't actually trying to bash Brooks. I was just tweaking Iggyemu about the old Rafer/Brooks thing. Silly of me I admit. And I agree with his assessment in general anyway. I like Lowry closing for us as well. Of the two, he's the steadier hand. Brooks is showing improvement though, especially, ironically, in his defense - something I didn't think would improve at all.

TMU, I agree that Lowry doesn't always get it right on the p'n'rs. Some of the time he's not quite tight enough, yes. And some of the time he goes too close, makes a lot of contact, and gets called for the foul. Still, he does see them early enough to make an attempt to go around them, and from what little I've seen I think he'll eventually end up very good (thinking about the NO game against Paul/Chandler here).
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Re: [Game 70] Detroit Pistons @ Houston Rockets 

Post#332 » by grond » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:27 pm

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grond wrote:Drunken ramblings


I still like that play, I think it's the best way to beat fronting defense because it only leaves 1 player on the weakside if the PF is at the high post. If you reverse the defender playing behind Yao has a long way to closeout.

The play didn't work because PG was hesitant with the ball, he should've passed it to Battier for the post entry. Hubie Brown talked about it also.


er, yeah. That's right actually. Ball to Battier, Battier entry. Good grief @ self.

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