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Post#21 » by KiDdFrESh » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:37 pm

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Although the emergence of Scola...especially that 15-17 footer that he has on lock would make a McGrady/Scola PnR near impossible to defend. Gotta keep in mind that McGrady has never played with Scola the way Scola is playing right now.


I think the reason Scola has been playing so well is because Mcgrady is out of the lineup. With Mac outta there it gives Scola many more opportunities to fulfill his potential, and he's done exactly that in Tracy's absence.


I disagree. Scola still scores a lot of his points off jumpers and hanging around the basket. The only difference is he is much better at finishing now than he was last year and his jumper is much better. Yes he'll get his a few post ups but he got those with McGrady as well. I don't really see a difference in the way Scola plays now than he did last year other than the fact that he is just better at it now. And right now nobody can run a legit PnR with him. I see us having Battier run PnRs with Scola and he completely misses him especially on the baseline...not to mention the fact that Battier is a not a threat to drive or pull up.

And this is part is not at you KR...I am generally speaking here....

I just don't think we should forget what a healthy T-Mac is. Don't forget that we were not #2 in the West last year around this point...we were #1. We won 55 games. We are at 45 now. The roster was much worst..we had no Yao and Scola wasn't even close to this good....
What is such a big difference from last year as opposed to this year? What have we accomplished this year without McGrady that we didn't last year with him? In fact we are gonna probably get swept by the Lakers in the season series whereas we won 2 from em last year. We beat the Hornets, Spurs twice...we did that last year too. We were better against the East last year than we were this year...

I am actually gonna jump in with TMU on this one and reserve judgment until the playoffs. Because there is nothing this team has done this year that we didn't do last year...now if we finish with a higher seed than 4th...and we win a playoff series...oh let the trade scenarios begin because even Tracy McGrady himself will want out.[/quote]

This is what I keep telling all the haters in Houston. Yes, this year we are better without an injured T-Mac. But everyone is so quick to forget how good he has been in recent years with Houston.

A HEALTHY Tracy McGrady would be the perfect fit next to Artest and Yao Ming.
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Post#22 » by Alex_De_Large » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:39 pm

I don't believe this. This year Tracy McGrady has been AWFUL, unfortunately there is a big chance he will never be the player he was 2 years ago, so we will never know how would it work the team with 3 stars like Ming, Tmac, Artest, GREAT roleplayers like Luis and Shane, plus a very nice bench with Wafer, Barry or Landry.

This team would be at the same level than Lakers/Celtics/Spurs with a healthy McGrady, the McGrady of 2 years ago, he was actually injured in last year playoffs, had good games vs the Jazz, but was injured.
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Post#23 » by JSB » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:48 pm

Same with most ppl are saying, Healthy T-mac is a great team, us with out tmac still good, just not great.
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Post#24 » by dartherus » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:56 pm

T-Mac United wrote:I'll reserve judgment until the end of playoffs.

What's the worst it could happen? losing in first round again?

When was the last time that TMac guided the Rockets to win a playoff series?
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Post#25 » by King Roosk » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:57 pm

Iggyemu wrote:
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Although the emergence of Scola...especially that 15-17 footer that he has on lock would make a McGrady/Scola PnR near impossible to defend. Gotta keep in mind that McGrady has never played with Scola the way Scola is playing right now

I think the reason Scola has been playing so well is because Mcgrady is out of the lineup. With Mac outta there it gives Scola many more opportunities to fulfill his potential, and he's done exactly that in Tracy's absence.


I disagree. Scola still scores a lot of his points off jumpers and hanging around the basket. The only difference is he is much better at finishing now than he was last year and his jumper is much better. Yes he'll get his a few post ups but he got those with McGrady as well. I don't really see a difference in the way Scola plays now than he did last year other than the fact that he is just better at it now. And right now nobody can run a legit PnR with him. I see us having Battier run PnRs with Scola and he completely misses him especially on the baseline...not to mention the fact that Battier is a not a threat to drive or pull up.

And this is part is not at you KR...I am generally speaking here....

I just don't think we should forget what a healthy T-Mac is. Don't forget that we were not #2 in the West last year around this point...we were #1. We won 55 games. We are at 45 now. The roster was much worst..we had no Yao and Scola wasn't even close to this good....

What is such a big difference from last year as opposed to this year? What have we accomplished this year without McGrady that we didn't last year with him? In fact we are gonna probably get swept by the Lakers in the season series whereas we won 2 from em last year. We beat the Hornets, Spurs twice...we did that last year too. We were better against the East last year than we were this year...

I am actually gonna jump in with TMU on this one and reserve judgment until the playoffs. Because there is nothing this team has done this year that we didn't do last year...now if we finish with a higher seed than 4th...and we win a playoff series...oh let the trade scenarios begin because even Tracy McGrady himself will want out.


All great points Iggy.

I think the biggest difference between the Rockets with Mac and without him is the mentality of the team. Now that Artest is our #2, I've seen a much more aggressive Rockets team than any I can remember in our recent history. Scola was our 4th option back when Alston and Mac were starters (yeah, Alston commanded more shots than Luis), and he was never really in position to play the way he's been playing recently. Our biggest problem with Mcgrady, and this might have something to do with JVG's offense, is that he's content shooting jumpers all game long. Alston and Mcgrady took so many jumpers that the rest of our team got happy with shooting jumpers, and as a result our team lived and died from the 3 pt line.

Adelman's offense is all about movement, and I think it's genius. When I play basketball at the gym now, when I'm off the ball I just run around off screens or I set screens and it's amazing how discombobulated a defense gets with orchestrated movement (I don't mean to compare gym basketball to an NBA defense, it's just an observation). However, Tracy wasn't in with all the movement. Mac would just get the ball, palm it behind his back for 5 seconds, then either dump it to Yao and back up or take a contested jumper. If Mac comes back FULLY healthy and he wants to attack the hoop then I'll welcome him back with open arms, but he hasn't shown anything to make me believe that he's going to do that. Just think about how many easy putback baskets Yao has gotten recently from Artest driving. It makes AB want to drive, Lowry is always attacking the basket, Scola has been going to the basket, it's just been amazing to watch and it makes us much more offensively potent.

Oh, and T-mac better remember how to play defense.
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Post#26 » by PocketRockets » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:38 pm

King Roosk wrote:I think the biggest difference between the Rockets with Mac and without him is the mentality of the team. Now that Artest is our #2, I've seen a much more aggressive Rockets team than any I can remember in our recent history. Scola was our 4th option back when Alston and Mac were starters (yeah, Alston commanded more shots than Luis), and he was never really in position to play the way he's been playing recently. Our biggest problem with Mcgrady, and this might have something to do with JVG's offense, is that he's content shooting jumpers all game long. Alston and Mcgrady took so many jumpers that the rest of our team got happy with shooting jumpers, and as a result our team lived and died from the 3 pt line.

Adelman's offense is all about movement, and I think it's genius. When I play basketball at the gym now, when I'm off the ball I just run around off screens or I set screens and it's amazing how discombobulated a defense gets with orchestrated movement (I don't mean to compare gym basketball to an NBA defense, it's just an observation). However, Tracy wasn't in with all the movement. Mac would just get the ball, palm it behind his back for 5 seconds, then either dump it to Yao and back up or take a contested jumper. If Mac comes back FULLY healthy and he wants to attack the hoop then I'll welcome him back with open arms, but he hasn't shown anything to make me believe that he's going to do that. Just think about how many easy putback baskets Yao has gotten recently from Artest driving. It makes AB want to drive, Lowry is always attacking the basket, Scola has been going to the basket, it's just been amazing to watch and it makes us much more offensively potent.

Oh, and T-mac better remember how to play defense.


You said it best. Tracy hates adelman's offense and would rather play the "take your man one-on-one" all game and win that way. He doesn't realize that that's not the way you win in the playoffs. You might win playoff games like that in the East (his series vs. detroit, Lebron james), but in the west you need a complete team to even make it out of the first round.

Everyone says we'd be sooo great with tmac, but fail to realize that he hasn't showed that he can be a role player to Yao. He might play that role a few games but will usually resort to ball-hogging after that.

Also, the same argument that you guys make against ron artest hogging the ball and playing stupid at the end of games, you could say the same about T-mac. Bball IQ wise, i'd say they're both about the same. Now, how good would our team be if we had two tmacs or two ron artests? (think about the volume of shots they take). That would be an ugly team, similar to the ugly team we were earlier in the season with them two. I don't care if tmac was hurt, the point is he takes too many shots for a team this good. If tmac was healthy and Ron was hurt, I'd say we'd be in the same boat we are now. We wouldn't be in 2nd place with both of them is the point. With that said, one of them will have to go in the offseason regardless, if we want to win. =/
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Post#27 » by tha_rock220 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:44 pm

It's been said already, but they're without question better then the broke-down, knee-less pansy who was once known as T-Mac the Rockets had this year. Last year they were useless without him.

We'll find out in the playoffs. Will Yao finally turn in a consistently good playoff performance or will he be turned into a woman by Boozer again??? I think he can do it. I'm tired of having to cheer for a team other than the Rockets after the 1st week of May every season.
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Post#28 » by TMU » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:59 am

dartherus wrote:
T-Mac United wrote:I'll reserve judgment until the end of playoffs.

What's the worst it could happen? losing in first round again?

When was the last time that TMac guided the Rockets to win a playoff series?


I think it's a fair point for I can't foresee the future. But one thing I can assure you is that with or without T-Mac, I will support this team at 100%. I am a Rockets fan. Don't misguide me for a TOF or consider that my post has a hidden agenda. As much as McGrady has **** up this season, I do appreciate what McGrady had done in the past. He was by far the most consistent player we had and his supporting cast was nowhere the talent of what we have today. If McGrady can become the player he was before, I'd love to have him back.

In my opinion the overall talent of these Western Conference teams this season hasn't been the same. San Antonio is getting older. Dallas looks depleted. Phoenix reminds me of the Denver Nuggets in the 80s. You get the idea. Other than the Lakers, no team really stands out. So yeah, I really like our chances this year but you don't know what will hit you if you're a Rockets fan. Playoff rigging and injuries have hurt our potential in the past and we've underachieved every single year ever since the McGrady trade. I don't know what's waiting down the road (heaven forbid...) and until we actually get out of the first round I will reserve judgment.
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Post#29 » by tisbee » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:05 am

A careful look at the numbers shows some interesting things. My interpretation may differ from yours.

Last yr Scola got a shot off every 2.65 minutes,this yr it's every 2.72 minutes-in other words he's slightly shooting LESS frequently this yr! His improvement in scoring is almost entirely due to increased minutes(2173 thru 72 games,2024 all last yr) and substantially better shooting %(.515 last yr,.528 this yr,.668 FT% last yr,.759 this yr.) If he shot this yr,w/this yr's %,at the rate he shot last yr he'd be averaging 13.2ppg. He's rebounding at a slightly higher rate this yr,while his assists are down.
Scola's improved shooting,esp the striking improvement in FT% suggests he put in alot of work on his jumper after the Olympics which carried over to his FTs,or vice-versa :)

Last yr Yao got off a shot every 2.01 minutes,this yr every 2.14 minutes,again shooting less frequently than last yr. He also has improved considerably in shooting and FT percentages(.507 to .549,.850 to .869).

In previous yrs McGrady took a shot slightly less than every 2 minutes,last yr T-Mac jacked them up every 1.68 minutes. In his limited action this yr,T-mac shot every 2.16 minutes.

Artest has taken on the McGrady mantle firing up a shot every 2.16 minutes,almost as frequently as Yao. Considering Ron is shooting .407 overall,perhaps not the wisest of strategies.

The 07 Rockets as a team got up 90.7 shots a game,this yrs team gets slightly less at 88.9 shots a game.
Interestingly the team is shooting slightly more FTS a game this yr,even tho Yao and Scola are shooting less.(And McGrady had a FT line every 6.8 minute2-and every 7.8 minutes this yr,while Ron gets one every 9.1 minutes.) Considering FTs are down League-wide,Yao and Scola are shooting fewer FTs and Artest gets to the line far less frequently than McGrady did,the Rockets increase in FTs is quite striking. I would suggets that the athleticism of Brooks,Wafer and esp Lowry is paying off in this regard.

Overall we see Yao and Scola are not getting as many shots as they did last yr,that while the offense may be spread out a bit more to the guards and Artest is getting most of McGrady's shots.

So we can see what McGrady brings to the Rockets. W/him Rocket bigs get more scoring opportunities and FTS. While we often curse McGrady for driving and passing instead of taking it to the hoop,his penetration puts tremendous pressure on the interior D. Often they would foul the Rocket bigs who were the recipients of McGrady passes instead of giving up point blank layups. W/a very good assist to turnover ratio,Mcgrady handling the ball meant fewer turnovers leading to more FGAs per game.
We are also seeing the core Rockets having a couple of yrs in Adelman's system resulting in a better understanding of where good shots are and a higher FG%.
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Post#30 » by NYKnick87 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:42 am

The difference is mentality...and that influences just about everything.
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Post#31 » by 2fast4u » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:46 am

Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to Houston and Miami being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Miami had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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Post#32 » by HTown_TMac » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:11 am

2fast4u wrote:Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to Houston and Miami being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Miami had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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30.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 7.6 apg in 38.6 minutes
Mark Blount
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3.2 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.7 minutes

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2.5 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.8 minutes
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Makes no sense what so ever. We might as well wait until 2010 and try to sign him,
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Post#33 » by Iggyemu » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:34 am

King Roosk wrote:
All great points Iggy.

I think the biggest difference between the Rockets with Mac and without him is the mentality of the team. Now that Artest is our #2, I've seen a much more aggressive Rockets team than any I can remember in our recent history.


Without a doubt. But I also think that thats something we could have accomplished with McGrady because its really not him. Its Artest that brings that and I think he would have brought that toughness regardless of whether or not McGrady was there. I think even before McGrady shut it down Artest was beginning to realize that McGrady isn't the leader he needed to be and that this team needed a leader. I will say that McGrady going down and Alston being traded sped up Artest's ascent in that department but IMO he would have come to it eventually and been what has been this month save for those couple of games where he chucked and pissed off Kobe.

Scola was our 4th option back when Alston and Mac were starters (yeah, Alston commanded more shots than Luis), and he was never really in position to play the way he's been playing recently.


You know I had forgotten about Alston. You are right about that. In fact that probably has more to do with Scola's play than McGrady not being there. I just can't ignore the fact that a great PnR player like McGrady would take Scola and make our offense extremely efficient.

Our biggest problem with Mcgrady, and this might have something to do with JVG's offense, is that he's content shooting jumpers all game long. Alston and Mcgrady took so many jumpers that the rest of our team got happy with shooting jumpers, and as a result our team lived and died from the 3 pt line.


Adelman's offense is all about movement, and I think it's genius. When I play basketball at the gym now, when I'm off the ball I just run around off screens or I set screens and it's amazing how discombobulated a defense gets with orchestrated movement (I don't mean to compare gym basketball to an NBA defense, it's just an observation). However, Tracy wasn't in with all the movement. Mac would just get the ball, palm it behind his back for 5 seconds, then either dump it to Yao and back up or take a contested jumper. If Mac comes back FULLY healthy and he wants to attack the hoop then I'll welcome him back with open arms, but he hasn't shown anything to make me believe that he's going to do that.


Yep McGrady hasn't transitioned well at all to Adelman's offense. He is still primarily a pick and roll, drive and kick and Iso player. We can use that in the 4th quarter of games though. The problem is the other 3 quarters. IMO he won't change the way he plays but the one thing he can do to help is run. He is our best open court player and could get us some easy points if he just ran. I feel like we can deal with the fact that he will never play off the ball like a Doug Christie could for example...as long as he initiates or takes part in transition basketball. The one thing we do better for sure without him is get ourselves good shots in the secondary break.

I think his ability to play PnR basketball and our group of personnel that work well in that type of offense (Yao, Scola and Landry) would make us just so much better in the 4th quarter of games. I don't think McGrady will ever be the same so I don't expect him to honestly be able to have the impact a #1 or #2 scorer would have. I do think that he could help us a great deal down the stretch of games. If he fast breaks in addition to that I think we'll be very happy with the results.

Oh, and T-mac better remember how to play defense.


Can't be any worst than Wafer...but yea that matador defense he showed this season was awful. He needs to defend like he did last year and under JVG.
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Post#34 » by Mike12345 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:19 am

Baller 24 wrote:Better without an unhealthy, fat, and out-of-shape T-Mac, yes. But McGrady healthy can do wonders for this team, remember the 22 game winning streak? Well his shooting percentage was up to 44% (highest since '03), until his shoulder got injured. Not to mention his play-making (assist percentage) has been one of the biggest assets he brings to the team, also a terrific ball handler. Not to mention, prior to entering this season, the Rockets had just a 30% (over 60 games) winning percentage without him, so his impact when healthy was quite big. I wouldn't mind him being back healthy at all, he's a phenomenal talent, remember '07? Where Yao goes down for 2 months, he leads the team to a 20-12 record, while over a month averaging 30/7/7/47%



Exactly end of thread. These stupid threads about the rockets being better without tmac make no sense what so ever. When tmac is healthy hes able to get players involved with his first step and put up 30 points. On top of that he has improved his free throw shooting so if tmac was healthy he would be a force problem is he rarely is healthy. Tmac was one of the reasons scola is such a good finisher down low as well as landry, last year he was the king at finding those guys in the right spots because we all know raefor didnt.

Should the rockets get rid of tmac? Yes. Has his career been up and down and full of injuries of course. But dont kid yourself, tmac was absolutely horrible this year and its no shock at all the rockets are playing better team ball.
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Post#35 » by PocketRockets » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:24 pm

tisbee wrote:A careful look at the numbers shows some interesting things. My interpretation may differ from yours.

Last yr Scola got a shot off every 2.65 minutes,this yr it's every 2.72 minutes-in other words he's slightly shooting LESS frequently this yr! His improvement in scoring is almost entirely due to increased minutes(2173 thru 72 games,2024 all last yr) and substantially better shooting %(.515 last yr,.528 this yr,.668 FT% last yr,.759 this yr.) If he shot this yr,w/this yr's %,at the rate he shot last yr he'd be averaging 13.2ppg. He's rebounding at a slightly higher rate this yr,while his assists are down.
Scola's improved shooting,esp the striking improvement in FT% suggests he put in alot of work on his jumper after the Olympics which carried over to his FTs,or vice-versa :)


Scola has a lot of minutes this year b/c Landry has been in/out and Adelman only leaves him in when he's effective. I'll give you the fact that scola isn't getting more shots b/c T-Mac is out, but that also means that T-mac doesn't make scola better right? (it's all about PT with him)

In previous yrs McGrady took a shot slightly less than every 2 minutes,last yr T-Mac jacked them up every 1.68 minutes. In his limited action this yr,T-mac shot every 2.16 minutes.

Artest has taken on the McGrady mantle firing up a shot every 2.16 minutes,almost as frequently as Yao. Considering Ron is shooting .407 overall,perhaps not the wisest of strategies.


And considering your next point (we get less shots a game), if more of those shots are taken by "worse" shooters like tmac/ron artest our team FG% will go down, PPG will go down.....which doesn't necessarily mean our wins will go down, but it most likely will. Which proves my point, we need to get rid of one of them. I honestly don't care which one (I would just like to keep Ron for defense, which I personally value more than offense, but either one would be okay with me).

The 07 Rockets as a team got up 90.7 shots a game,this yrs team gets slightly less at 88.9 shots a game.


This surprises me b/c we have been running more this year (or so it seems), but again, it's only one less shot a game. Maybe it's due to our defense that pushes the other team deeper into their shot clock before they can get a shot off? Who knows, but again the percentage point is very small and I'm not really too worried about it.

So we can see what McGrady brings to the Rockets. W/him Rocket bigs get more scoring opportunities and FTS. While we often curse McGrady for driving and passing instead of taking it to the hoop,his penetration puts tremendous pressure on the interior D. Often they would foul the Rocket bigs who were the recipients of McGrady passes instead of giving up point blank layups. W/a very good assist to turnover ratio,Mcgrady handling the ball meant fewer turnovers leading to more FGAs per game.
We are also seeing the core Rockets having a couple of yrs in Adelman's system resulting in a better understanding of where good shots are and a higher FG%.


I don't think anyone complains when he drives and dishes, people complain when he just dribbles on the outside and takes a stupid, low-percentage shot. This number goes up when we play tough teams or when the game is on the line, which should be the opposite unless there's 2-3 seconds left in the game. Even then, good players (Wade, lebron, Kobe) will drive to the lane if it's open. W/t-mac you know it's gonna be a deep three or fade-away deep two pointer.
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Post#36 » by PocketRockets » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:44 pm

Iggyemu wrote:I think his ability to play PnR basketball and our group of personnel that work well in that type of offense (Yao, Scola and Landry) would make us just so much better in the 4th quarter of games. I don't think McGrady will ever be the same so I don't expect him to honestly be able to have the impact a #1 or #2 scorer would have. I do think that he could help us a great deal down the stretch of games. If he fast breaks in addition to that I think we'll be very happy with the results.


There's no doubt we miss him at the end of games, but there's also no doubt we start the game better off without him. I've seen Ron play many possessions without touching the ball, but not McGrady. Look at what Yao can do when teams don't double and with a player like Tmac on the court, teams would double less, but we fail to see that b/c he can't/won't defer to the main advantage we have on the court. T-mac is very valuable if he plays the role we want, it's b/c he doesn't that has some fans upset. T-mac gets a lot of criticism, but the loss of rafer has a lot to do with Yao emergence too b/c teams can double yao/T-mac and dare rafer to shoot. SO maybe all this has to do with rafer leaving the team, and I'll gladly take back everything I said about T-mac if when he comes back, we become that deadly team we are on paper.

Can't be any worst than Wafer...but yea that matador defense he showed this season was awful. He needs to defend like he did last year and under JVG.


But wafer isn't taking up a huge chunk of our payroll....

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