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Post#21 » by smapor » Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:47 pm

PocketRockets wrote:
I was also thinking the same thing. I think they're trying to pace Yao to the playoffs and to see what the other players can do without him. IF you watched the game, Yao only got like 1-2 touches at the start of the game out of like 10 possessions. We also tried to run fast which to me felt weird. I honestly do think that Adelman wanted to try this out to see if we could use this method to attack them in the playoffs. I think we'll look at what works and what didn't (one man fastbreaks) and improve on that if we play them in the playoffs.

We can run but it has to be under control. we need to get them into the penalty sooner. We were too dependent on the 3 last night.


Don't know but I hope in the playoffs they show us something, because if we face the Jazz and we run the same crap.........its going to be a short series.
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Post#22 » by grond » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:05 pm

BaYBaller wrote:1) Refs weren't that bad (either way) last night. Stop kidding yourself.

2) Shooting big men isn't the issue with the Jazz. Our defense was actually better (and has been all season) with Yao because he guards the rim. Utah got the majority of their points in the paint when Yao was out and that's (part of) what killed us. You live with Boozer shooting 20-ft'ers the same way you live with guards shooting off the PnR with Yao's man.

3) Yao's got to demand the ball. It's not on the team, it's on Yao.

4) Ron and Wafer play with no system but the other players do try to play within Adelman's system. Brooks is still learning. Right now he doesn't have much of a passing game but he needs to at least be able to read game situations better and direct traffic. That's one thing Rafer does better than Brooks and what I'm hoping he improves on. I really think the issue here is we need a PG to rein in the team a bit (e.g. Ron/Wafer) and Brooks is young and doesn't seem to have that personality.


Yes, agree with this. Especially 3) and 4). Our offense wilted because we really had no one out there directing. And really, with out current roster, it has to be Yao directing it (whether calling for the ball in the post, calling the p'n'r or elbow or whatever). Multiple times in the 1st half he had Boozer on him in the post (a poor, undersized defender, even against other PF's) and Brooks swung the ball away before he could set up properly. Ball went to Artest at the top. End of offense. Some of it's on Brooks of course (quite frankly I have no idea what he was thinking out there, because feeding Yao when he has a mismatch seems pretty straightforward, and he barely waited a tic before abandoning it), but Yao, to repeat the recent catchphrase, has to demand the ball.

There's a difference between being a team player and being too passive to call for the ball to take advantage of a huge mismatch.
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Post#23 » by CuttingEdge » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:23 pm

2nd Chance opportunities means offensive boards @ Pocket Rocket.

The Jazz did not play their best, in fact we out rebounded them. Why we lost? No team chemistry whatsoever, missing shots especially easy layups. The Jazz had steals on us because of **** up passes and we had steals on them. While they missed a bunch of shots we barely hit any. That's how we lost overall. Guys like Artest have no hope in playing or developing chemistry. He's strong but his b-ball IQ is not within the realm of this team. It sux.
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Post#24 » by 2fast4u » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:27 am

the reason for the loss is that you cant win them all..plain and simple.
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Post#25 » by hackle » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:55 am

Fabio is so right, Scola and Yao are the best players in this team (i personally think scola more so), and we fail to take advantage of that. it's like you can kill with a bullet and still you try with a fist. damn shame.
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Post#26 » by stockmarketgod » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:10 am

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smapor wrote:Yao overall is not being aggressive the last few games, he is basically averaging like 2-3 FTA, which is half of what he is averaging the whole season. Lately the Rockets are simply not giving him a lot of touches, to let him do anything with the ball. The problem I have with this is, Artest is dominating the ball offensively. Yao's overall touch of the ball has dramatically dropped vs the start of the All-star break. Its no longer the inside out game, its more like run Ric's offense(jacked up 3 point shot) and if we don't have anything try to go to Yao (problem is the ball goes to Artest or AB and they typically will shoot the ball).

Despite Yao shooting 6-16, 4 of them were offensive rebounds. In reality he only had 12 FGA last night. Rockets haven't been forcing the ball to Yao lately, but if we don't milk the horse, I highly doubt we will get out of the 1st round. Goes back to the system. But I also tend to think Rockets are asking Yao to be less aggressive for the playoffs. I mean knock on wood, Yao's been injured for the last 3 years. So I am hoping the reason why the Rockets are not going to Yao a lot is because they want the rest of the team to develop and allow Yao not work hard to get ready for the playoffs. (Cross my finger and hope this is true)


I was also thinking the same thing. I think they're trying to pace Yao to the playoffs and to see what the other players can do without him. IF you watched the game, Yao only got like 1-2 touches at the start of the game out of like 10 possessions. We also tried to run fast which to me felt weird. I honestly do think that Adelman wanted to try this out to see if we could use this method to attack them in the playoffs. I think we'll look at what works and what didn't (one man fastbreaks) and improve on that if we play them in the playoffs.

We can run but it has to be under control. we need to get them into the penalty sooner. We were too dependent on the 3 last night.



we seem to dependant... on the 3 ball... most times... 20+ 3 balls a game is too much for my
liking....granted most times its the big stiff creating a wide open 3 ball...

so when he is covered and you got 15 feet between you and the defender... chances are your going to hoist it up too...

but seriously is it too much to ask to drive it in even to the 15 to 18 foot mark and take a higher % or try and get a foul on the guy running at u....
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Post#27 » by hackle » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:06 am

I am cool with Yao taking turn around jumpers, esp. to start the game with. but down the stretch he better bring some hard action to the rim.
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Post#28 » by smapor » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:14 pm

hackle wrote:I am cool with Yao taking turn around jumpers, esp. to start the game with. but down the stretch he better bring some hard action to the rim.


I am fine with that too, but either the Rockets are asking him to take it easy to not get injured or stay fresh for playoffs or he is pooped (he didn't have to play 82 games in the last 3 years), this is the most games he has played in 3 years. He may actually be fatigued and that is probably one of the main reasons why he isn't as aggressive as he was in the beginning of the season. He looks timid the last 5-6 games, especially after he complained about offensive fouls, now he doesn't even try to go to the hoop strong.
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Post#29 » by smapor » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:27 pm

Good to know maybe the reason why our offense looked like crap was because

Quoted from Ric
“I experiment to the point I feel that it’s going to be a positive for us”


Maybe things will look better for the next 9 games.
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Post#30 » by PocketRockets » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:50 pm

smapor wrote:Good to know maybe the reason why our offense looked like crap was because

Quoted from Ric
“I experiment to the point I feel that it’s going to be a positive for us”


Maybe things will look better for the next 9 games.



Probably not. I think Ric is going to continue to experiment until the last couple of games. Anyone that watches the Rockets games knows that's not how we play. Other than Ron, I don't think any of the starters have the guts to run their own gameplan so it had to have been Adelman that wanted us to run against the Jazz. Hell I don't know many coaches that wont pull a player like wafer or lowry after that crap they pulled in the 2nd half. I can bet you it wont happen in the playoffs though.

I just hope we can stay 2/3 so we can have a better chance of going deep.
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Post#31 » by NJRoxFan » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:00 pm

All I don't think there's alot to worry about.. Yes we lost in Utah boo-hoo.. Its not all down the drain.. Again we didn't have Landry to keep Utah guessing about the pace of the game. Landry on the floor w/ the second unit mesh really well and give yao and scola breathers without having to worry about the offense squandering leads. Yao on the floor needs to be more aggressive in manner. He's the tallest person on the floor.. People will say he's not that athletic.. What kind of athleticism do you really need when ur 8ft tall... yes he needs to move and get placement in the post but I don't know any defensive presence that can block a sky hook ala Kareem Abdul Jabbaar on a guy that's 8ft tall..Honestly they need to practice thier motion offense and find a way to get Yao in the paint rather than posting on the side mix it up a bit.. because after 3-4 trips down Any team will figure out the weakness and it'll be worse in the playoffs. I know it takes Yao more time to get footing for posting up which is more the reason they should run the motion offense. Get the ball to Yao on the run.. I've seen the dude cut off screens and he will conserve energy because we all can see him getting winded not because of running (which does play a part if they're missing shots and the other team goes on the break) but more because peeps are down low and bruising the kid...

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Post#32 » by hackle » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:29 am

Nice post NJRoxFan, so are you from New Jersey?

Ric's quote surely had a lot of relieving power on me, of course a good coach should carry out experiments when our playoff spot is secured (almost). why did I not realize that, how stupid.
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Post#33 » by tisbee » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:22 am

PocketRockets,
Don't forget there's no one behind Wafer and Lowry other than Barry who's not the best player to bring in against young Jazz reserves.

It's part of why I'm really interested to see if White will get some meaningful minutes after this little mini-camp is over. If he does and doesn't hurt the team,it sure will give Adelman some new options. If-and it's a huge if-if he can give 10-15 rotation minutes a game,the Rockets will be significantly better. W/a decent 20' J and his slashing ability he should be able to play alongside both Battier and Artest. If he can defend just a little,Adelman can team him and Lowry w/the steadying Barry. This still allows Adelman to use Wafer for instant offense or w/a running Lowry,White unit.
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Post#34 » by hackle » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:32 am

tisbee wrote:PocketRockets,
Don't forget there's no one behind Wafer and Lowry other than Barry who's not the best player to bring in against young Jazz reserves.

It's part of why I'm really interested to see if White will get some meaningful minutes after this little mini-camp is over. If he does and doesn't hurt the team,it sure will give Adelman some new options. If-and it's a huge if-if he can give 10-15 rotation minutes a game,the Rockets will be significantly better. W/a decent 20' J and his slashing ability he should be able to play alongside both Battier and Artest. If he can defend just a little,Adelman can team him and Lowry w/the steadying Barry. This still allows Adelman to use Wafer for instant offense or w/a running Lowry,White unit.


white in the rotation? i think he is signed for the future, it's a bit late in the season already. but hey, we dont see any system any how (save for that Rick is experimenting).
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Post#35 » by CuttingEdge » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:25 am

We don't pass well, know each others sweet spots, nor trust each other enough for good reason. If you look at all the games even the ones we blow out by 20+ we still are a team of individual talents more than team effort chemistry. How the hell do we fumble so many passes and not be able to score off of 2nd chance opportunities? It's a no brainer we suck and I bet any one of you guys on these boards could do a better coaching job than Adelman. We win more based on a dominating performance from Yao or Artest, sometimes it's Brooks or Wafer but never really as a team the way i envisioned it.
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Post#36 » by PocketRockets » Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:57 pm

CuttingEdge wrote:We don't pass well, know each others sweet spots, nor trust each other enough for good reason. If you look at all the games even the ones we blow out by 20+ we still are a team of individual talents more than team effort chemistry. How the hell do we fumble so many passes and not be able to score off of 2nd chance opportunities? It's a no brainer we suck and I bet any one of you guys on these boards could do a better coaching job than Adelman. We win more based on a dominating performance from Yao or Artest, sometimes it's Brooks or Wafer but never really as a team the way i envisioned it.



This "chemistry" you talk about takes time. This team has been thrown together for how long? Artest is new....Lowry....wafer?? Hell even the Jazz sucked when they first got their pieces, but with time together...it'll all get better. We have moments where we run smoothly though not enough throughout the game to make us happy, but it's going to get there if we can keep this core together. Yao, Landry, Scola, Battier, Brooks, Lowry.....keep all of them and you can mix and match pieces that fit/don't fit. Ron/Tmac is another beast altogether and will need another thread to discuss.
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Post#37 » by tisbee » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:30 pm

PocketRockets,
W/only 1 game in 7 days you can be sure White is going to be "coached up" pretty hard by Rocket's assistants. If he shows any grasp of what they want,he'll get his chance to crack the rotation this yr. Not 20-30mins,but maybe starting 2Q,4Q and getting a few minutes run. Heck,Adelman last yr played Harris when he came straight from China.(Yes he was in camp before season started but it'd been 4-5 months since then.)
I agree his big chance will come in the summer when he'll be trying out for a more permanent back-up role. But the team this yr is so thin at the 3 they played Landry there a bit.

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