HOU/TOR/SAC TMAC/CB4/K-MART Trade Revamped

red96 · Post #1 » by **red96** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:08 pm

Trade Checker Approved :wink:

HOU out: TMAC, Brooks, Scola, Battier (or Ariza), Cook, 2010 1st, 2011 2nd

HOU in: Bosh, Calderon, Kevin Martin, Nocioni

TOR out: Bosh, Banks, Calderon

TOR in: TMAC , Brooks, 2nd rnd pick

SAC out: Martin, Nocioni

SAC in: Scola, Battier (or Ariza), Cook (expiring filler), HOU 1st rnd pick, Banks

TOR saves money by dropping the contracts of Jose and Banks while adding Brooks( who will certianly start for TOR for years to come). Its allmost guarnteed that Bosh is leaving TOR so they get a young player with high potential and take Portland's route by getting rid of there bad contracts (clearing there cap) to rebuild quick and effectively.

SAC Dumps Nocioni's contract while picking up Scola, Battier, and a 1st round pick. Cook is a filler and expires for them this year. Banks doesnt have much value but the cut their losses from Nicioni's contract by 2 years and 18.8 million. They also lose Martin whos been a very good player for them but they've proven this year they can do without him. Martan is also injury prone.

HOU does it because..... well look at next years roster

Jose/Lowry
KMART/Arza or Battier/Chase
Ariza or Battier/Nocioni
Bosh/Landry/Nocioni/Hayes
Yao/Bosh/Hayes/D.A.

HOU would own the paint on offense and D with crazy firepower on the perimeter. We become an instant contender. We make the playoffs for sure this year.
I hate to lose Brooks but Jose can more than fill in the GAP. Calderon's value might not be as high as Brooks but Jose is a better Shooter, passer, and playmaker than Brooks. And with both of Jose and Brooks's strenghts and weeknesses being somewhat simaliar, keeping Lowry instead of Brooks helps balence the PG position better between scoring and defense whilee adding incentive for TOR to accept the deal.

This will be this years roster and next years when Yao is resting

Lowry/Jose or vise versa
KMART/Arza or Battier/Chase
Ariza or Battier/Nocioni
Landry/Nocioni/Hayes
Bosh/Hayes/D.A.

We still can play up-tempo. Look at all of the explosivness with those 5 on the court together (and still play some good D)! How does/will the opposition adjust?

Martin already knows Adelman's system. And neither Bosh or Martin are malcontents or divi's. We do lose a few core players (and some of my favorite players) and take on 2 unfavorable contracts but its for 2 effecient 20+ppg scorers (finishers)to pair with Yao. I might have to alter the trade a little but do yall think this (or something similar) is worth it for Bosh and Martin? We do morgage the future a little, but I came up with it in about 5-10 minutes so what do yall think?

Rendezvous · Post #2 » by **Rendezvous** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:24 pm

Toronto wont like that trade....

MaxRider · Post #3 » by **MaxRider** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:18 pm

why can't we just keep all the trade idea in once thread?

moofs · Post #4 » by **moofs** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:21 pm

I refuse to read this because 'CB4' means nothing to me and I don't care how many times Kevin Martin is called 'KMart', 'KMart' is Kenyon 'I Really Freaking Suck' Martin, who should never have had a nickname to begin with, but it's too late now. In 3 years, anyone who bothered to give Kevin Martin a 'nickname' should regret it as well because he freaking sucks, too. Whoopty doo, one guy can score and do nothing else and one guy can dunk and be a thug and nothing else. Let's give them both a freaking medal. We can call it the "Michael Redd is Totally Worth 74 Million Just Because He Scores the Most on a Really Bad Team and Lets Ignore the Fact that SOMEONE has to Score on EVERY Team" Award.

NBA has almost no good nicknames anymore. Let's just abbreviate everyone: salutes to P-B-Obie!

(also yes, all trades in one thread please.)

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PocketRockets · Post #5 » by **PocketRockets** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:23 pm

or crappy trade ideas to yourself....

texasholdem · Post #6 » by **texasholdem** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:57 pm

moofs wrote:I refuse to read this because 'CB4' means nothing to me>

The Real CB4

jove9 · Post #7 » by **jove9** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:48 pm

All league GMs are not trying to find ways to hook up HOU. I promise.

Munchlaxatives · Post #8 » by **Munchlaxatives** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:22 pm

texasholdem wrote:
moofs wrote:I refuse to read this because 'CB4' means nothing to me>

The Real CB4

Not to mention we all know what happens to K-Marts in Houston

YoungMoney23 · Post #9 » by **YoungMoney23** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 2:39 am

Theres still no promise that Bosh will stay here and not run off to Miami or New York to play with Wade or Lebron. But either way this trade is highway robbery for us

drivewayball · Post #10 » by **drivewayball** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 7:54 pm

Jusyt wondered how you were going to defend people with Kevin Martin and Chris Bosh on the floor.

red96 · Post #11 » by **red96** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 11:41 pm

VC#15 wrote:Theres still no promise that Bosh will stay here and not run off to Miami or New York to play with Wade or Lebron. But either way this trade is highway robbery for us

Your right its not guareenteed. But the bigger question would be why wouldnt he?
Houston is a big market team (the rockets are also China's team) with good management ,he's from Texas, the rockets are a good team right now (unlike NY), he would get more money resigning here them sighing elsewhere via FA, , and most of all he'll be playing with Yao, Kevin Martin, and some good young players on a legit title contender.
What else would he want? LBJ? There's no promise that NY gets LBJ.
And Miami :-?

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Yao, Martin, and the rest of the rockets crew >> Wade, Beasly, Oneal and the rest of the Heat. And wasnt Beasley suppost to be Miami's future (franshise) PF? IMHO Houston is a far better destination with less question marks.

drivewayball wrote:Jusyt wondered how you were going to defend people with Kevin Martin and Chris Bosh on the floor.

Bosh isnt a bad defender (he's not Boozer on D) and he's no worse than Scola or Landry on D. We dont need elite defenders at every position. What we need right now are players who can put up big numbers efficiently and can finish games. Bosh and Martin can do both.

plainballing · Post #12 » by **plainballing** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 11:44 pm

Love the idea of Tracy returning to TO...hmmm...thanks but no thanks! Bosh to make his decision at the end of the season plus Bosh + Calderon for T-Mac + Lowry + 2nd rounder...? Thanks but no thanks again!

red96 · Post #13 » by **red96** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 11:50 pm

plainballing wrote:Love the idea of Tracy returning to TO...hmmm...thanks but no thanks! Bosh to make his decision at the end of the season plus Bosh + Calderon for T-Mac + Lowry + 2nd rounder...? Thanks but no thanks again!

Well I wasnt really finish altering this trade (ive been busy). But Im leaning towards adding Brooks inplace of Lowry for some obvious reasons.
And plainballing you forgot to add your PG Banks and his contract to TOR's outgoing players.

plainballing · Post #14 » by **plainballing** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 11:52 pm

red96 wrote:
plainballing wrote:Love the idea of Tracy returning to TO...hmmm...thanks but no thanks! Bosh to make his decision at the end of the season plus Bosh + Calderon for T-Mac + Lowry + 2nd rounder...? Thanks but no thanks again!

Well I wasnt really finish altering this trade (ive been busy). But Im leaning towards adding Brooks inplace of Lowry for some obvious reasons.

Oh, sorry my bad then. But I am pretty sure Bosh won't be traded unless the Raps have Nets record...that's how BC work.

red96 · Post #15 » by **red96** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 12:30 am

Well the Nets will finish with the worst record. No way TOR finishes that bad. But I doubt TOR would have to finish that low to know what direction the team (and Bosh) will be leaning to.

If you honestly think Bosh will resign there if TOR fails to make any nose in the PO's so be it? But IMHO the Raptors arent a bad team, but they've showed this year (and the last few years) that they're about mediocre at best (no offence). TOR isnt in a position to upset any of the East's top3-4 teams (not including the top9 West teams) any time soon. And with the size and lenght of some of there contracts makes it only harder for the foreseeable future.
Turk, Jose, and Banks have contracts that are only exceptable for a team in win-now mode. TOR is not. With this trade TOR erases some mistakes (and sheads years of wasting millions), while adding a young player (TOR starting PG) with very high potential for a player who's more than likely to leave this offseason for nothing. But if your confident he'll stay I wont argue.

Lets say that he said he's not returning to TOR, how would you fill about this deal then?

plainballing · Post #16 » by **plainballing** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 3:45 am

I was just joking about the Nets part! As you mention if TO doesn't show Bosh something in the PO (at least they have to make the PO) then most likely Bosh will think of signing somewhere else. As in if they cannot give a fight like the Magic series few years ago.

I second that TO will NOT win series against any of the top 4 in the East unless injuries, trades, or rapid player (TO) development. Unless Raps defend and rebound, it will be hard for them to put themselves among the top (not to mention the elites!).

After all, if you follow the Raps or Colangelo in particular, there's no chance for this deal if Raps continue to be around .500 mark. That's the way Colangelo work and it's his style.

To answer your question about if Bosh is not returning, I think if Brook is included along with Landry...then I would say yes. Or else it might become a tie for the worst trade in franchise history...your guess for the other worst trade in franchise history...

P.S. If Bosh leaves...I don't know what now for the Raps...core of Bargs, Jose, Hedo...glad at least DD is among the core or else there's no hope for Raps post-Bosh...

red96 · Post #17 » by **red96** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 5:48 am

Fair enough. Oh, and no I dont think so. That VC trade was just horrible for TOR. A HOU 1st, Brooks and taking Jose and Banks contracts out you guys hair >>> 2 late NJ 1sts, Eric & Aaron Williams, and a Alonzo that never showed up. Bosh is expiring. Im not sure but, I dont think VC was at the time. TOR had more leverage with VC then with an expiring Bosh now. That deal was crazy raw with about half a positive going back to TOR. :-?

red96 · Post #18 » by **red96** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 6:20 am

And I dont think TOR could find anyone in Houston to co-sign a Brooks + Landry for Bosh deal. Not to mention TOR adding those bad contracts to make the numbers work. Just cant justify trading a cheap (less than 4 million combined) and productive Landry (16.7ppg, 5.8rpg, .567fg% 26.8mpg) and Brooks (18ppg, .429fg%, .390 3pt% 5.1apg, 33.9mpg) for an expiring Bosh that'll want max $ next year. Not trying to get stat crazy on you or anything, its just alot of people aren't aware of how good some of our young players are. And as you can see they are good players performing very well on great contracts (for there production) on a good team(not stat pushers). Landry and Brooks > Bosh in a trade.

plainballing · Post #19 » by **plainballing** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 6:49 am

The only reason I included Landry is because he is one of the players that provide a lot of value added from his contract. How in the world can he played after a gun shot on the leg in one incident and walk away calmly with many pieces of his tooth gone in another?

Anyways, I think fans in TO started to love Banks for his defensive effort. I know both Jose and Banks have contract that looks ugly but TO fans are thinking of keeping them both.

If CB is not returning then definitely move only one of the two (preferably Banks). Amir Johnson, Marco Belinelli can be valuable add-in if that is what it takes to have Brooks in return. Note that Amir Johnson is also expiring this year.