Stevenson or Jeffries?

wadero · Post #1 » by **wadero** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:45 pm

If the deal goes down with Washington and New York, and you had a Choice which one would you rather get? I think Stevenson has nothing to offer us but Jefferies( yes i know his contract sucks) but he can help at the 3,4 and maybe at the 5. If it get s us Caron and Haywood I would rather have Jefferies and then ship Scola out for another young 2 or maybe we could ship Haywood to portland for Rudy ?

KiDdFrESh · Post #2 » by **KiDdFrESh** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:23 pm

I hope we don't get stuck with either of them.

Here is the question. Do we ship out Ariza if we are getting Butler? If we do we could be set up very nicely with 2011 expiring contracts of Battier, Butler, & Yao.

Knicksick · Post #3 » by **Knicksick** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:14 pm

You don't get "stuck" with him. He only has 1 year remaining after this season. He comes off the books with Ming,Battier and possibly Butler next year so I really don't think it's a big snag in such a deal.

With Haywood(top 15Center), Butler(top 15 SF),Jeffries (took most charges in the league and one of the most versatile defenders with only 1 year remaining) you become a top 3 team in the west. If that isn't worth taking on 1 year of Jeffries and Butler then you guys should be pissed at your FO. You can't expect to improve the talent of the roster significantly without taking on any salary at all. Haywood is expiring,Jeffries and Butler have only one year remaining---it's as fiscally responsible and conservative as it gets considering you get 3 usable pieces.

Jajwanda · Post #4 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:21 pm

There has to be incentive for someone to take Jeffries and not cut out the Knicks. Someone from the Knicks or a pick is going to go to Washington so that whatever talent the Rockets send out is minimal. If anything all the Rockets will be sending out is their willingness to take on Jared Jeffries' contract.

As for Ariza they probably will be keeping him to see if his value can improve or they may decide to keep Butler and have the two of them switching match-ups each night. The team still needs to improve at the starting PF spot over Scola though (he's a good player no doubt but they can still do even better). I'm not sure that Scola is a better defensive player than Amare at PF. If he isn't then perhaps a deal can be struck with the Suns but that's not for now. Yao Ming may be the trade piece.

rocketsballin · Post #5 » by **rocketsballin** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:48 pm

jeffries over stevenson any day. stevenson is rapidly on the decline, jeffries is a baller who can guard any position .

AntiSuperstar · Post #6 » by **AntiSuperstar** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:32 pm

They're both underrated players being scapegoated by their teams. But I would probably rather have Jeffries.

Guy986 · Post #7 » by **Guy986** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:03 pm

I take Jeffries. I have no problem taking Jeffries in a deal if we also get Butler and Haywood.

KiDdFrESh · Post #8 » by **KiDdFrESh** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:54 am

Knicksick wrote:You don't get "stuck" with him. He only has 1 year remaining after this season. He comes off the books with Ming,Battier and possibly Butler next year so I really don't think it's a big snag in such a deal.

With Haywood(top 15Center), Butler(top 15 SF),Jeffries (took most charges in the league and one of the most versatile defenders with only 1 year remaining) you become a top 3 team in the west. If that isn't worth taking on 1 year of Jeffries and Butler then you guys should be pissed at your FO. You can't expect to improve the talent of the roster significantly without taking on any salary at all. Haywood is expiring,Jeffries and Butler have only one year remaining---it's as fiscally responsible and conservative as it gets considering you get 3 usable pieces.

Yeah we get stuck because he would a guaranteed contract going into the off-season. Thus taking a roster spot and limiting cap flexibility. Otherwise why the Knicks so eager to move him? Truly I don't care that much. Because then we aren't the one that would have to add pieces or picks to the trade. NY would.

Alex_De_Large · Post #9 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:05 am

i take milicic expiring.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #10 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:19 am

Stevenson last year. Jeffries this year.

clydewally · Post #11 » by **clydewally** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:20 am

What NY is contributing in all of the reasonable versions of the deal I saw was Harrington, a very favorable Mobley contract, and absorbing lots of extra salary to let Washington get under the luxury cap. Washington was saving over $20 million in the deal and most of that was coming out of NY,

Most of us think Mcgrady is done as a player so that he is really only a big expiring contract. So getting Haywood and Butler means winning the trade on a talent basis by a large margin. Jefferies even adds to that. He is a contributor. Problem is that he duplicates a little what Rockets already have in Battier (and is not as good offensively as Battier).

Post #12 » by **Mr. E** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:47 am

clydewally wrote:(and is not as good offensively as Battier).

(I'm not laughing at you, clydewally, but rather the absurd truth of that statement!)

Knicksick · Post #13 » by **Knicksick** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:25 am

KiDdFrESh wrote:
Knicksick wrote:You don't get "stuck" with him. He only has 1 year remaining after this season. He comes off the books with Ming,Battier and possibly Butler next year so I really don't think it's a big snag in such a deal.

With Haywood(top 15Center), Butler(top 15 SF),Jeffries (took most charges in the league and one of the most versatile defenders with only 1 year remaining) you become a top 3 team in the west. If that isn't worth taking on 1 year of Jeffries and Butler then you guys should be pissed at your FO. You can't expect to improve the talent of the roster significantly without taking on any salary at all. Haywood is expiring,Jeffries and Butler have only one year remaining---it's as fiscally responsible and conservative as it gets considering you get 3 usable pieces.

Yeah we get stuck because he would a guaranteed contract going into the off-season. Thus taking a roster spot and limiting cap flexibility. Otherwise why the Knicks so eager to move him? Truly I don't care that much. Because then we aren't the one that would have to add pieces or picks to the trade. NY would.

Sorry but I don't get you. If you do the deal without Jeffries you'll still have 50mill. commited in salary next season---that leaves 3-4 mill. in capspace. Realistically who could you sign for 3-4 mill. that'd be much better for the Rockets?Not to mention you'd have to give up a longer term contract if you choose to sign someone most likely. I still don't get how the one year remaining of Jeffries hinders your flexibility at all. Right now you guys stand at 40mill. commited for next season. Add Butler and you are at 50mill. What does that leave?Not much.

Now I can understand if your GM says he won't take on any extra salary for next season because that leaves you around 14mill. to spend on a good player but if you agree to take Butler and his 10mill. it virtually makes no sense to decline such a deal because of Jeffries remaining year.

Knicksick · Post #14 » by **Knicksick** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:27 am

Also why NY cares so much is pretty easy. We are currently about 26mill. under the cap in the offseason. That leaves room for a max FA and 10mill. (possibly for Lee). Take out Jeffries and we have enough room for 2 max FAs which makes quite a huge difference.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #15 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:42 am

Ther is no incentive for NY to do this deal without Jeffries inclusion. Period.

syj805 · Post #16 » by **syj805** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:27 pm

Jeffries is basically the Knicks' best defender, and I'd hate to lose him. But what it comes down to, is contracts. I'm sure Walsh would pull the trigger if he was included. The Rox would be better off with Jeffries from a defensive stand-point.

2ksports · Post #17 » by **2ksports** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:49 pm

I'm pretty sure Knicks will not deal if Jeffries is not a part of it. Doesn't really make any sense otherwise. HOU is not really in FA play this offseason so they should wait for 2011. Win-Win-Win situation if Jeffries ends up in Houston along with Butler and Haywood. 3 quality defenders from positions 3-5, adding depth if anything, and all expiring by 2011.