OT-The Matt Bonner Dilemma?

[moofs]

Single player +/- means nothing. Adjusted +/- is better, but I don't really trust it, either.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ema01.html
His win score really isn't too bad...

[aznkillabeezZz]

If you watched the game, popovich took him out of the game because when he was on the court, dallas was on a massive run from 20 pts down and got it down to 10 or below.. Stat that lol . And right after popovich took him out of the game and spurs went on another run. Coincidence, no. He sucks at some aspects of his game, yes. And i'm surprised he hasnt hit more 3 pt shots, considering most of his shots are Wiiiide open. Dallas are making it a habit not to guard him, cuz he's clearly the weakest link. Thats why hes the limo guy.

[moofs]

I can't really argue much with that. That's where stats break down in describing the game and coaches need to take over in explaining the stats. I was mainly ragging on +/- Only things I see about it are that it's a small sample, and he's likely in at PF against Dirkdirk.

I'd like to add that Sucky Hayes is similarly one dimensional and limited.

Question: Bonner or the Cookie Monster?

[TMU]

Bonner averaged 18 mpg in the regular season and he's averaging nearly 20 mpg in this series. So you can tell Popovich gave his vote of confidence. In Game 2, Bonner was eventually pulled him out because Popovich wanted Antonio McDyess, his starting center, back on the floor. I didn't see anything new there.

Also, like moofs said single +/- hardly carries any weight. In Game 1 Bonner had a +7 net +/- differential, which was the highest on the Spurs. In Game 2 he had the lowest +/- on his team. Spurs lost Game 1, and they won Game 2. So, what do those numbers mean for someone like Matt Bonner who sees limited playing time off the bench? Nothing.

And how many 3PTM is he supposed to make? Small sample, but 1.5 3PTM with 43% 3PT% in 20 mpg in this series isn't bad. How many more shots does he have to take?

I don't care what people say about the other aspects of his game, but when you have to appreciate his ability to stretch the floor and hit the long shots. Again, Bonner isn't a superstar, but the Spurs know exactly what they're getting out of him.

[aznkillabeezZz]

As one dimensional Chuck hayes is he's extremely good at defense. Matt bonner isn't extremely good at anything. He missed wiiiiiiide open 3 pters, and when the other team leaves you that wide open THROUGHOUT the game, they know you're the weakest link, and he still missed open shots. You don't care about his weakness in other aspects of the game, you should. That's the reason, he was taken off after dallas had a massive run when he was on the court. And I doubt it was rotation, because he was taken out of it, right after a MASSIVE run. Duh

[M4P]

As one dimensional Chuck hayes is he's extremely good at defense. Matt bonner isn't extremely good at anything. He missed wiiiiiiide open 3 pters, and when the other team leaves you that wide open THROUGHOUT the game, they know you're the weakest link, and he still missed open shots. You don't care about his weakness in other aspects of the game, you should. That's the reason, he was taken off after dallas had a massive run when he was on the court. And I doubt it was rotation, because he was taken out of it, right after a MASSIVE run. Duh

Well what do you want us to say? There's no dilemma, and Spurs fans seem to be fine with the production they're getting out of Bonner because they know what they paid for.

[aznkillabeezZz]

As one dimensional Chuck hayes is he's extremely good at defense. Matt bonner isn't extremely good at anything. He missed wiiiiiiide open 3 pters, and when the other team leaves you that wide open THROUGHOUT the game, they know you're the weakest link, and he still missed open shots. You don't care about his weakness in other aspects of the game, you should. That's the reason, he was taken off after dallas had a massive run when he was on the court. And I doubt it was rotation, because he was taken out of it, right after a MASSIVE run. Duh

Well what do you want us to say? There's no dilemma, and Spurs fans seem to be fine with the production they're getting out of Bonner because they know what they paid for.

speak for yourself. There are websites by Spurs fans dedicated to their dislike of Matt Bonner's game. Just saying.

[Guy986]

I think the only way to get azkillabeez to drop this is if we all agree that Matt Bonner is the worst player in the NBA followed by Jared Jeffries.

[OAKLEY_2]

I think the only way to get azkillabeez to drop this is if we all agree that Matt Bonner is the worst player in the NBA followed by Jared Jeffries.

Bonner fan and Raptor fan...
He is is one of two players to ever be drafted into the NBA from New Hampshire. He married a Toronto girl and has taken out Canadian citizenship and will be suiting up for the Canadian national men's team. When he first arrived in Toronto he said he thought he would be playing in Europe. He had a small opportunity and ran with it. There was no more popular awe gee shucks guy than Matt Bonner while in Toronto. He is the kind of guy who would rather ride a bike than own a car and if he owns a car it is a $500 wreck. His 3 point shot is his bread and butter and he is a hustle player. If he is looking bad right now it is because he's hobbled by an injury. If he was on your team you'd love him even though he looks like he is not at all athletic. No coincidence that he has a role with the Spurs as he just knows how to play. Worst player is flat out wrong. Career line is 7 ppg 4 Reb in 18 minutes.

[moofs]

^ nice one.

Who was the guy that used to post here a lot who always insisted that some guy was the worst player ever and needed to be gotten rid of at all costs? Player in reference could have been Alston or Hayes, don't remember. It's always good to not be that guy though.

My personal vote for (at least) the past 3-5 years would have been Allen Iverson, but whaddaiknow? He can score (at a horrible percentage) and do nothing else! Wow!

p.s. Oakley was fricking awesome when he played for us. Mark Jackson too.

[aznkillabeezZz]

5/17 fg percentage, and 3/10 3 pt shooting in 4 playoff games. 29% fg and 30% 3pt shooting. Yep he's playing just as I predicted in the playoffs. His only two moves is a robotic dance toward the basket for a floater or his spot up shot, that he can only do when his two feet are set on the floor. Every wing/perimeter player in the Spurs stretches the floor (and then some), and people act like stretching the floor, is Matt Bonner's special hidden attribute.. That's just the Spurs style of play, spread the floor, so Ginobili, Parker can have options when they attack the basket. And even Duncan can kick it to the open shooter from the post.

Yeah he's not the worst player, but scrublicious nonetheless. *end rant*

[rocketsballin]

i dunno wat ur beef is w/ this guy. he's a big who has size, can play both pf/c, make 3s, a body to have in case ur starting bigs in foul trouble. 3pt shooting bigs are rare in this league. he's a regular season player, like luther head. he's there to help get wins in the regular season, help, not get wins but HELP get wins. unfortuneatly he cant play in the playoffs but o well, who gives a ****?

[aznkillabeezZz]

Luther head is different and is a pg/sg. Bonner's more like a stronger Brian Cook with a bit better D. A big man who can shoot a spot up 3 pt shot in reg season, and poor at anything else.

[rocketsballin]

ahh, i guess u gotta hate something in the post season? rockets fans usually hate on lakers/jazz/mavs. right now im hatin on the nuggets getting handles by the jazz, wtf is up w/ them? no karl = 5 game series? vs a jazz team w/ 2 of their 4 best players out?

[aznkillabeezZz]

ahh, i guess u gotta hate something in the post season? rockets fans usually hate on lakers/jazz/mavs. right now im hatin on the nuggets getting handles by the jazz, wtf is up w/ them? no karl = 5 game series? vs a jazz team w/ 2 of their 4 best players out?

LOL . yea.. Post season hate. No Karl. And Jazz is well facilitated with deron and boozer, with decent d, and shooters. But they seem like a different team without karl after game 1.........

[Joseph17]

As one dimensional Chuck hayes is he's extremely good at defense. Matt bonner isn't extremely good at anything. He missed wiiiiiiide open 3 pters, and when the other team leaves you that wide open THROUGHOUT the game, they know you're the weakest link, and he still missed open shots. You don't care about his weakness in other aspects of the game, you should. That's the reason, he was taken off after dallas had a massive run when he was on the court. And I doubt it was rotation, because he was taken out of it, right after a MASSIVE run. Duh

He's actually extremely good at three point shooting. All shooters go through slumps.

[Joseph17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it6BohnnRfI

[chuckerz]

In his time with the Raptors, he was a fan favorite because he brings a blue collar type of approach to the game. He rides the subway to get to the arena instead of driving. Hard worker and accurate three point shooting. A good character guy.

[dunleavyjr]

He's a very good 3 point shooter. (so is Brian Cook)


edit: Career 40% 3 point shooter. (so is Brian Cook)


Good size and fairly mobile. I'll take him on this team over Damage Assessment anytime. (Brian Cook too)

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