Chris Bosh Rumor Thread

[MaxRider]

Honestly I'd love for Bosh to go to Houston.

1) Perfect fit for Bosh next to Yao, with Martin there also, and I'd love to see him win there. Instanty the best Center and Wing player he has ever played with.

2) You can give us strong future assets which I like, and we wont touch your core. At most battier included in the package with an extra low prospect or future pick... for us to *wink wink* buyout Battier, and him return to Houston.

Even if we give you guys the two picks we got from NY (2011 and 2012) and our own lottery pick this season, it still wont be enough for Toronto take back 16M in salary (assuming each pick worth 3M, but no value in trade). For Toronto to make this deal we have to take back a bad contract, like Turkoglu (over 40M in 4 years). One way for this to work:

Toronto gets: Battier (buyout and allow to return to Houston), Ariza (28M 4 years), Hill, Andersen, Jeffries, 2010 Houston 1st round pick (top 3 protected, if in top 3 Toronto get those 2 NY picks)
Houston gets: Bosh, Turkoglu

[Vator]

I completely disagree with you assessment that we HAVE to take back a bad contract to push this through. Toronto would no doubt love to dump Turk, but I think that trying to force Turk into any trade is going to actually decrease what they get back especially in terms of first round picks. One thing that has been consistent in the NBA for several years is that you have to give up first round picks to dump bad salaries.

[pretender_2002]

Honestly I'd love for Bosh to go to Houston.

1) Perfect fit for Bosh next to Yao, with Martin there also, and I'd love to see him win there. Instanty the best Center and Wing player he has ever played with.

2) You can give us strong future assets which I like, and we wont touch your core. At most battier included in the package with an extra low prospect or future pick... for us to *wink wink* buyout Battier, and him return to Houston.

Even if we give you guys the two picks we got from NY (2011 and 2012) and our own lottery pick this season, it still wont be enough for Toronto take back 16M in salary (assuming each pick worth 3M, but no value in trade). For Toronto to make this deal we have to take back a bad contract, like Turkoglu (over 40M in 4 years). One way for this to work:

Toronto gets: Battier (buyout and allow to return to Houston), Ariza (28M 4 years), Hill, Andersen, Jeffries, 2010 Houston 1st round pick (top 3 protected, if in top 3 Toronto get those 2 NY picks)
Houston gets: Bosh, Turkoglu

I think Battier, Jefferies, Hill and a pick for Bosh is where I would start off. No GM in their right mind is going to take back Turkoglu. Plus I am sure Bosh does not want to bring him along because he affects the teams roster by doing so and I think they don't get along. The idea here is that Toronto will most likely try to rebuild, with expirings they can use them to trade with other teams (historically more valuable than a TPE) and with valuable picks they can get cheap young talent in the future. Both Battier and Jeffries contracts are expirings and I'm sure that Houston can pay Toronto cash to buy them out (although I am not so clear as to exactly how that works).

To be honest if Lowry wants a starting job and Toronto has leverage (something I don't see happening) we may want to work it out so Lowry goes to Toronto and we can take back Calderon. Also Lowry may receive high offers this summer that Houston doesn't want to match. But Houston would be willing to include him to Toronto to possibly save some of our picks and ensure acquiring Bosh. If Bosh gives Toronto a list of teams which he wants to be traded to and we were on it I may be okay with taking back Calderon, he is younger and cheaper than Turkoglu. Something like Battier, Jefferies, Hill, Lowry for Bosh and Calderon.

However I just do not see it plausible to take on Turkoglu, he is getting old, making too much and has a long contract. If Toronto insisted on a team taking him and I were DM I would walk away from the table.

[MaxRider]

I completely disagree with you assessment that we HAVE to take back a bad contract to push this through. Toronto would no doubt love to dump Turk, but I think that trying to force Turk into any trade is going to actually decrease what they get back especially in terms of first round picks. One thing that has been consistent in the NBA for several years is that you have to give up first round picks to dump bad salaries.

That depend how much Brian Colangelo think Hill and those picks are worth. Remember he aint stupid like Donnie Walsh. He's going to try to dumb Turkoglu's bad contract. If we are not willing to take it, he can find some team that will -- like New York. Also depend on how much Morey and his companies can convince Bosh coming here.

[HTown_TMac]

I completely disagree with you assessment that we HAVE to take back a bad contract to push this through. Toronto would no doubt love to dump Turk, but I think that trying to force Turk into any trade is going to actually decrease what they get back especially in terms of first round picks. One thing that has been consistent in the NBA for several years is that you have to give up first round picks to dump bad salaries.

That depend how much Brian Colangelo think Hill and those picks are worth. Remember he aint stupid like Donnie Walsh. He's going to try to dumb Turkoglu's bad contract. If we are not willing to take it, he can find some team that will -- like New York. Also depend on how much Morey and his companies can convince Bosh coming here.

You have to remember that if a deal can not be worked out.. Bosh can walk for Miami, Chicago, or NY. He might lose that 30mil or whatever, but that still puts Toronto in a situation where they lose him for nothing instead of getting back a few picks and a young player. And I HIGHLY doubt ANY team will take back Turk.

[MaxRider]

You have to remember that if a deal can not be worked out.. Bosh can walk for Miami, Chicago, or NY. He might lose that 30mil or whatever, but that still puts Toronto in a situation where they lose him for nothing instead of getting back a few picks and a young player. And I HIGHLY doubt ANY team will take back Turk.

If that's the case it will be Rashard Lewis again. Toronto will ask for a 1st round pick or something in return to do the sign and trade.

[Vator]

A Bosh, Turk, and Gallinari lineup. I guess the conversation would start with some combination of Eddy Curry's expiring, Lee, Chandler and Douglas, for salary purposes and considering that I don't think they have any draft picks they can trade for a while. They have no other trade chips on their roster worth anything. Seems unlikely, but anything is possible, depending on how high BC is on Lee and Chandler.

[Contract Season]

I completely disagree with you assessment that we HAVE to take back a bad contract to push this through. Toronto would no doubt love to dump Turk, but I think that trying to force Turk into any trade is going to actually decrease what they get back especially in terms of first round picks. One thing that has been consistent in the NBA for several years is that you have to give up first round picks to dump bad salaries.

That depend how much Brian Colangelo think Hill and those picks are worth. Remember he aint stupid like Donnie Walsh. He's going to try to dumb Turkoglu's bad contract. If we are not willing to take it, he can find some team that will -- like New York. Also depend on how much Morey and his companies can convince Bosh coming here.

You have to remember that if a deal can not be worked out.. Bosh can walk for Miami, Chicago, or NY. He might lose that 30mil or whatever, but that still puts Toronto in a situation where they lose him for nothing instead of getting back a few picks and a young player. And I HIGHLY doubt ANY team will take back Turk.

How many times have any of you seen a professional athlete leave $30 million on the table?
It's a very rare occurence. Bosh has said all along he will work with Colangelo on a sign and trade if he leaves. He would be pulling a T-Mac (Toronto era) by reneging on that. Bosh is way more classy than T-Mac, I highly doubt he does that. Of course the $30 million is more of the reason why I think he goes somewhere in a sign and trade.

I don't think Morey takes back Turk. How would he fit? Turk sucks, unless he has the ball alot. Yao will need the ball. Bosh needs the ball (and holds it forever when he gets it), K-Mart needs the ball, Brooks isn't a spot-up-shooter, etc.
I think Turk is a hideous fit in Houston even if Houston didn't have Bosh.
Calderon probably makes more sense unless he is moved for Rip Hamilton or Corey Maggette (some Raps fans think those are the two most plausible Calderon trades).
I could see Calderon being included along with Battier (bought out to return to Houston), Jeffries, Hill, Lowry, 2012 Knicks pick and right to swap with Knicks in 2013 + draft rights to Llull.

[MaxRider]

Project salary cap for 2010-11 season is 56.1M.
30% of 56.1M is 16.83M.
To match salary within 125% + 100k, we need 13.384M trade value.

So without breaking the core (not trading Yao, Scola, Battier, Ariza, Brooks, Martin, Lowry)
Jeffries 6.9M and Hill 2.7M are in this deal for sure, so 13.384M - 6.9M - 2.7M = approx 3.8M
1) adding Andersen 2.5M and Hayes 2.1M = 14.2M
2) adding Andersen 2.5M, Budinger .78M, and Taylor .78M = 13.66M (not enough for max but close)
It will depend how much Colangelo value Hill and our pick(s). Is it enough for them to take that salary? IMO that don't look attractive enough, not even with those two NYK picks and our lottery pick combined. We definite need a 3rd team involve to make this work.

[S.W.A.N]

As stated in another thread here I too think that Bosh and Calderon would be the trade that happens...

Lowry Hill Picks and enough additional salary even if its a wink wink battier trade should get things done.

[Aaron Brooks]

How come no one brings up Scola in a Bosh trade? What are we gonna do with him if Bosh comes here? Pay him 9-10 mil to come off the bench? While he will get his 30+ mins because of Yao's reduced role, a Bosh/Scola tandem is not gonna cut it on defense. With BC's contract coming to an end, he can't afford to tank next season, and thats where Scola comes in (and hes also a euro (as in he played in europe)). Scola, Jeffries, Hill + picks? for Bosh

[MaxRider]

How come no one brings up Scola in a Bosh trade? What are we gonna do with him if Bosh comes here? Pay him 9-10 mil to come off the bench? While he will get his 30+ mins because of Yao's reduced role, a Bosh/Scola tandem is not gonna cut it on defense. With BC's contract coming to an end, he can't afford to tank next season, and thats where Scola comes in (and hes also a euro (as in he played in europe)). Scola, Jeffries, Hill + picks? for Bosh

Because Scola will be BYC player, we can't just sign him to a 10 millions contract and trade him, his value will be half of that (or something)

[Don Draper]

I pretty sure teams give up a lot lets in a S&T that under a regular scenario...

[aznkillabeezZz]

A Bosh, Turk, and Gallinari lineup. I guess the conversation would start with some combination of Eddy Curry's expiring, Lee, Chandler and Douglas, for salary purposes and considering that I don't think they have any draft picks they can trade for a while. They have no other trade chips on their roster worth anything. Seems unlikely, but anything is possible, depending on how high BC is on Lee and Chandler.

A Bosh, Turk & gallinari lineup wouldn't be much better than the lineup what Bosh had in Toronto. Gallinari is like a Bargnani clone, and Toronto has 2 better point guards, Jack and Calderon. So the trade would be unlikely

[MaxRider]

The only sign-and-trade (between two team over the cap) deal I can think of is the Eddy Curry deal between Chicago and New York.

Chicago dumped Antonio Davis contract to New York
New York traded bunches of picks to Chicago

Hopefully we don't have to do that

[hackle]

I dont really like bosh but turkish low is a force, and he will enjoy playing around a big guy too. with him in the lineup we are almost like magic, using Yao as a coy, the system revolves around him but he dont have to make bad effort for every play. Like what howard is doing, it really looks easy for them.

maybe i am just being naive but i certainly looks feasible