tisbee wrote:Walsh took a shot at clearing enough cap room to get 2 max FAs and still have $4-6mil room for another FA and the chance McGrady had something left(and would sign 1 yr min,and then get pd the next yr). If Walsh had come away w/LeBron,Bosh and a healthy McGrady,he'd be the genius. Didn't happen.
But if Walsh had not done the trade he could have made the GS deal once he'd reached understanding w/Stoudemire and then signed Stoudemire.
Effectively he ended up trading Jeffries,Hill,potential swap of 2011 First and the 2012 First for Felton,Mozgov. Hill,Mozgov at this point a wash,so it's really Jeffries,2012 First for Felton,a player at a position of need. Prob a push.
For NY,the trade gave them the chance to swing for fences and ended up being a solid single that scored a runner and advanced a runner.
OTOH,the Rockets traded a player they were going to let walk and a back-up PF for a 20ppg starting SG,a project big,a First and the potential to move up in another Draft. A bases clearing double to the gap.
Both teams ended up w/a starter,a project big,the diff being the Knicks gave a First to the Rockets. At this point a Rockets win. But the real results will be a couple of yrs down the road.
If the Rockets w/Martin go on extended Play-Off runs while Stoudemire battles injury problems,or vice-versa,then we have a clear-cut winner.
We didn't have the cap space to re-sign David Lee to that contract he ended up signing to hold up our part of the S&T without this trade, we could however have given Felton the contract he ended up signing. So we actually traded Jeffries, Hill, the pick swap and a first for AR, Mozgov, Turiaf and Buike.
We won't be a high lottery team next year after another summer of additions, so AR > the 2012 pick, Hill is a little ahead of Mozgov on account of I-still-haven't-seen-enough-of-Mozzie-to-judge-him-properly, but this difference isn't that big. Hill's still really raw himself and Mozzie brings an even more impressive size and length to athleticism ratio, so that very well may end up close or even in Mozgov's favor but at this point who knows. While I did like Jeffries' D and intelligence; Jeffries + a pick swap in a year were we should be contending for the playoffs through April is pretty much a wash with Turiaf and Buike, two guys who gave us established depth for our developing youngsters.
So all in all we still came out ahead by about the difference between AR and that 2012 pick, and this way we were at least in the running for LeBosh. So I'll agree that we didn't get our homer, but still had a productive and run scoring at bat, while you guys had that key double. So both teams won, you won more, but we still helped ourselves and ended up quite a bit better off heading out than going in. This was one of those rare win-win trades for our two franchises so I don't think there will be a clearcut winner. To continue with the baseball analogies it's like you guys got a walk off bases clearing double, you got the win and you did it very well and now ahve serious momentum going into your next game en route to the WS and we got game winning run in the 9th that our closer was able to hold onto, so we too got the win, although not as handsomely as you and so our momentum didn't get as much of a boost as yours, yet we're still one step closer to getting that World Series crown.
