[Game#5 11/6, 7:30PM ] Houston Rockets @ San Antonio Spurs

[inquisitive]

I'm a ROF. I dont care about the players. But he clearly has fallen short the way hes played. If he was an mvp out there i'd say it. He clearly wasn't. I actually like him more on D than Kmart but Ariza is a clearly better defender than the both of them. And if it wasn't for his 3 big mistakes, he played a good game.

Why don't you hop over to the Hornets board if you're going to be on Ariza's jock in every topic? Ariza's D is still overrated and when compared to Lee it's a wash.

CP3 is making Ariza and Okafor look like all stars. Heck, he is making the whole team look like all stars.

[M4P]

I'm a ROF. I dont care about the players. But he clearly has fallen short the way hes played. If he was an mvp out there i'd say it. He clearly wasn't. I actually like him more on D than Kmart but Ariza is a clearly better defender than the both of them. And if it wasn't for his 3 big mistakes, he played a good game.

Why don't you hop over to the Hornets board if you're going to be on Ariza's jock in every topic? Ariza's D is still overrated and when compared to Lee it's a wash.

CP3 is making Ariza and Okafor look like all stars. Heck, he is making the whole team look like all stars.

It really is sad watching Ariza miss open shots even when he has CP3 setting him up.

[Aaron Brooks]

I hope Bud breaks out of his slump sometime soon, I don't want Lee being the scoring punch off the bench

[Joseph17]

I hope Bud breaks out of his slump sometime soon, I don't want Lee being the scoring punch off the bench

I don't either. That's why YOU should be the scoring punch off the bench.

[aznkillabeezZz]

I'm a ROF. I dont care about the players. But he clearly has fallen short the way hes played. If he was an mvp out there i'd say it. He clearly wasn't. I actually like him more on D than Kmart but Ariza is a clearly better defender than the both of them. And if it wasn't for his 3 big mistakes, he played a good game.

Why don't you hop over to the Hornets board if you're going to be on Ariza's jock in every topic? Ariza's D is still overrated and when compared to Lee it's a wash.

U obviously don't watch many Rocket games. Ariza did fine when he was in a lesser role in the rockets, and he still played solid d. U think battier is playing better than him? you're lying to yourself. Aside from the 2nd half of todays game, battier has been mediocre. Lee's d is not much better than ariza's. Regardless, Lee is an SG. Be honest, lee hasn't made much of a difference on D as an sg. Ariza's length and athleticism is a good defender at sf for us. We miss an SF thats the truth. Budinger is inconsistent, and has below avg D. Battier is aging.

[M4P]

I'm a ROF. I dont care about the players. But he clearly has fallen short the way hes played. If he was an mvp out there i'd say it. He clearly wasn't. I actually like him more on D than Kmart but Ariza is a clearly better defender than the both of them. And if it wasn't for his 3 big mistakes, he played a good game.

Why don't you hop over to the Hornets board if you're going to be on Ariza's jock in every topic? Ariza's D is still overrated and when compared to Lee it's a wash.

U obviously don't watch many Rocket games. Ariza did fine when he was in a lesser role in the rockets, and he still played solid d. U think battier is playing better than him? you're lying to yourself. Aside from the 2nd half of todays game, battier has been mediocre. Lee's d is not much better than ariza's. Regardless, Lee is an SG. Be honest, lee hasn't made much of a difference on D as an sg. Ariza's length and athleticism is a good defender at sf for us. We miss an SF thats the truth. Budinger is inconsistent, and has below avg D. Battier is aging.

Uh no I watched plenty of Rocket games. Ariza hasn't changed. Try watching him as a Hornet before you get all over him. He still shoots bad shots, and still has a tendency to overdribble and lose his man despite being in a lesser role. No I don't think that Battier is playing better than him, but I do think that you're exaggerating the loss of Ariza and the hit we took in the SF position.

Theoretically, Ariza should've been a much better defender. But no, that wasn't the case. His D was and still is overrated.

[aznkillabeezZz]

How much badly is he playing man? We're 0-5 . His team is 5-0. When ariza was here we had less additions , we didn't start 0-5 . Before he went to the hornets, the hornets wasnt much better either.I'm not saying hes their savior but hes a good piece too. He made a clutch shot to beat the heat and avgs 3 steals a game and his length and aggressiveness, athleticism helps. Definitely better than what we have on SF, or SG.

[M4P]

How much badly is he playing man? We're 0-5 . His team is 5-0. When ariza was here we had less additions , we didn't start 0-5 . Before he went to the hornets, the hornets wasnt much better either.I'm not saying hes their savior but hes a good piece too. He made a clutch shot to beat the heat and avgs 3 steals a game and his length and aggressiveness, athleticism helps. Definitely better than what we have on SF, or SG.

Last time I checked there were 82 games in a season. If you can't take a few losses then why bother following this team?

You may not think that he's the savior but you sure are acting as if he was. Go back through this thread and count how many times you were all over Ariza.

[aznkillabeezZz]

How much badly is he playing man? We're 0-5 . His team is 5-0. When ariza was here we had less additions , we didn't start 0-5 . Before he went to the hornets, the hornets wasnt much better either.I'm not saying hes their savior but hes a good piece too. He made a clutch shot to beat the heat and avgs 3 steals a game and his length and aggressiveness, athleticism helps. Definitely better than what we have on SF, or SG.

Last time I checked there were 82 games in a season. If you can't take a few losses then why bother following this team?

You may not think that he's the savior but you sure are acting as if he was. Go back through this thread and count how many times you were all over Ariza.

I wasn't all over him. I just spoke the truth. He was our best SF, and one of the best defenders on the team aside from Yao, and battier formerly. And it shows out there. we're 0-5 without him and our main weakness is defense. We definitely did not get better by losing him. Yeah its a long season, I hope its not going to be a long losing season. Add it all together , and you find out why i mentioned him. Good night.

[M4P]

How much badly is he playing man? We're 0-5 . His team is 5-0. When ariza was here we had less additions , we didn't start 0-5 . Before he went to the hornets, the hornets wasnt much better either.I'm not saying hes their savior but hes a good piece too. He made a clutch shot to beat the heat and avgs 3 steals a game and his length and aggressiveness, athleticism helps. Definitely better than what we have on SF, or SG.

Last time I checked there were 82 games in a season. If you can't take a few losses then why bother following this team?

You may not think that he's the savior but you sure are acting as if he was. Go back through this thread and count how many times you were all over Ariza.

I wasn't all over him. I just spoke the truth. He was our best SF, and one of the best defenders on the team aside from Yao, and battier formerly. And it shows out there. we're 0-5 without him and our main weakness is defense. We definitely did not get better by losing him. Yeah its a long season, I hope its not going to be a long losing season. Add it all together , and you find out why i mentioned him. Good night.

No, not really. You're stretching the truth. Ariza is a role player. If you want to backtrack and try to revise what you said then go ahead - still doesn't change the fact that you're all over Ariza's nuts. Last season, Battier was the better player. No one thought that he would drop this far but it is what it is.

Once again, go back through this thread and look back at your own posts. We're not getting blown out by teams and I have faith that things will get better.

[Aaron Brooks]

I hope Bud breaks out of his slump sometime soon, I don't want Lee being the scoring punch off the bench

I don't either. That's why YOU should be the scoring punch off the bench.

Should be Martin because when he eventually gets injured the chemistry of the 1st unit wouldn't be effected. And its easier for the other teams scrubs to bite on pumpfakes.

[highrangeslang]

Are we a bad team, or are we just playing a lot of strong teams?

[DreamShook34]

Are we a bad team, or are we just playing a lot of strong teams?

We will find out tonight.

[inquisitive]

Are we a bad team, or are we just playing a lot of strong teams?

Alot of strong teams are exposing our weaknesses/badness

[inquisitive]

I hope Bud breaks out of his slump sometime soon, I don't want Lee being the scoring punch off the bench

I don't either. That's why YOU should be the scoring punch off the bench.

Should be Martin because when he eventually gets injured the chemistry of the 1st unit wouldn't be effected. And its easier for the other teams scrubs to bite on pumpfakes.

Sorry, I like your effort, but you should be coming off the bench. You would be great off the bench actually. Don't see many teams that have kinda scoring power off the bench.

[grond]

hm, am I the only one to be wildly encouraged by this game?

Only saw the 2nd half and the OT (sigh), but still ... w/o Martin&Brooks the Spurs actually had to WORK for their points. We actually looked like a legit team out there coming down the stretch for once.

Somewhere in another thread I wrote that our home stretch lineup ought to be Yao/Martin + our 3 best available defenders. So last night it was Scola + our 4 best available defenders. Seemed to work pretty well imo.

Lee played well btw. Yeah, he choked. But he played well.

[inquisitive]

hm, am I the only one to be wildly encouraged by this game?

Only saw the 2nd half and the OT (sigh), but still ... w/o Martin&Brooks the Spurs actually had to WORK for their points. We actually looked like a legit team out there coming down the stretch for once.

Somewhere in another thread I wrote that our home stretch lineup ought to be Yao/Martin + our 3 best available defenders. So last night it was Scola + our 4 best available defenders. Seemed to work pretty well imo.

Lee played well btw. Yeah, he choked. But he played well.

You're not. I'm with you on this one. The most encouraging thing is Hill. He played well defensively in the 1st half. I just hope he starts tonite, but unlikely with Adelman insisting on starting Yao.

I also think Lee should start over Ish tonite.