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Should AB come off the bench?

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Should AB be the 6th man?

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Re: Should AB come off the bench? 

Post#21 » by rocketsballin » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:57 am

well first of all he had only one response and i wasnt really saying that, but w/e now i read it and have to agree w/ him. altho i dunno why i didnt think of that myself, makes perfect sense
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Re: Should AB come off the bench? 

Post#22 » by PocketRockets » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:41 am

Lowry in big games will give us flash backs of rafer alston....

I will take Brooks and his "worse" passing rather than flinching every time Lowry takes a 3.
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Re: Should AB come off the bench? 

Post#23 » by M4P » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:00 am

PocketRockets wrote:Lowry in big games will give us flash backs of rafer alston....

I will take Brooks and his "worse" passing rather than flinching every time Lowry takes a 3.

Wtf are you talking about? Lowry's shot from the 3 has been great the past few games.
HoopsMalone wrote:Shaq would still have value... But to think he'd be anywhere near as dominant as he was in the post era is just ridiculous

jahlil okafor has some of the best post moves in the last 30 years and the dude can't even get on the floor
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Re: Should AB come off the bench? 

Post#24 » by Joseph17 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:17 am

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roxfashoballin wrote:Your in-depth analysis is astounding. Thanks for your contributions, kind sir.


Truth be told, most people don't really understand basketball sets and what they are looking at. They get stuck in the most basic principles like a PG should create the offense and a center should be tall and refuse to recogonize our system is far far far from the norm. So apologies for simply saying no. The problem is, people form opinions, such as "Brooks should be a scoring punch off the bench like Jason Terry!", it gets stuck in thier head and they never are able to see all the subtle intricacies of how our offense works.

Our offense runs through the high post initiated 3 man games which is best executed when the 2 wing players have excellent three point shooting as well as quickness to cut to the baskets alongside a big who can hit a mid range jump shot. For reference, the a Bosh/Brooks/Martin 3 man game would be nearly unstopable, which is why they wanted him so badly. Conversely, Amare, who is probably just as good or better than Bosh, has a different skill set that does not fit the high post system, hence the little interest.

Adelman/Morey have spent years assembling players to fit the high post princeton offense. You will notice, that despite Lowry averaging way more assists than Brooks, team assists are relatively the same between the two starters, meaning we arent really losing shot creation by using Brooks instead of Lowry, because the system is more than adequete for creating quality shots, which is Lowry's primary strength.

Furthermore there is a noticable decrease in effeciency by Lowry when he plays more minutes vs less minutes. His game slows down and he gets to the line less, which is bad. Simply put...Yao and Battier arent meant to run fastbreaks. He is better playing 20 minutes @ 120% speed with runners/finishers, instead of 35 minutes @ 90%. Sure his raw stats go up starting, but most notably his assist/TO ratio goes down. He is better off playing less minutes with the bench crew who have no one who can create for themselves (Lee, Bud, Hayes, Miller) but can all finish really well.

His sole strength to the starting lineup is defense, but I am not prepared to break up the synergy of both groups for more defense at the 1.

Lowry's inability to consistantly hit a jump shot and outside shot will criple this team during the playoffs and against any great defensive teams. This is why he all but dissapeared in the playoffs while Brooks played much much better.

So no, Brooks should start and play along side Battier/Yao. Lowry should head up the running/finishing crew off the bench where his strengths are best utilized.

When I say that Brooks should come off the bench I don't mean that he should get less minutes. I think he should come off the bench, get the same amount that he would get as a starter, and be in the game during the entire 18 minutes isn't in the game. That would mean that him and Martin will be on the floor together for about 15 minutes a game. As soon as Scola and Martin go out, there aren't any scorers in the game at all and the team looks lost. Lee might step up sometimes, but he's not a consistent scoring option the way Brooks is.
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Re: Should AB come off the bench? 

Post#25 » by LarsV8 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:08 am

joeyyowee wrote:When I say that Brooks should come off the bench I don't mean that he should get less minutes. I think he should come off the bench, get the same amount that he would get as a starter, and be in the game during the entire 18 minutes isn't in the game. That would mean that him and Martin will be on the floor together for about 15 minutes a game. As soon as Scola and Martin go out, there aren't any scorers in the game at all and the team looks lost. Lee might step up sometimes, but he's not a consistent scoring option the way Brooks is.


Im not really following you.
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Re: Should AB come off the bench? 

Post#26 » by PocketRockets » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:20 pm

M4P wrote:
PocketRockets wrote:Lowry in big games will give us flash backs of rafer alston....

I will take Brooks and his "worse" passing rather than flinching every time Lowry takes a 3.

Wtf are you talking about? Lowry's shot from the 3 has been great the past few games.



Then you, my friend, don't watch much rockets basketball or much basketball at all. Brad miller has games where he shoots the 3 well. Even antoine walker had his games. Lowry is a crappy shooter. If you watched him throughout his career, you would know that. In games against good teams, they will dare him to shoot as they double yao and/or martin. Then people will come out of the woodwork and bash him, much like they did rafer alston. You'll be lucky if he shoots 30% from deep this year.

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