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Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams

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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#121 » by Vator » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:39 pm

I'll go on record now as loving this trade. Giving up a lottery protected pick for a true point forward with size, defense and athleticism. This guy has an assortment of skills that NOBODY on our team has. Is there a chance this fails? Yes, but I think the risk is worth the potential reward. I can't wait to see what he can do if he is able to pick up Adelman's offense. This guy has the potential to get you a triple double every now and then because he fills up the stat sheet and I don't think there is another player on this team I would say that about.
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#122 » by Aaron Brooks » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:01 pm

Daryl Morey's Radio interview this morning, thanks to hsf09 from clutchfans for the transcript/recap

Official word on Terrence Williams. Athletically, cant beat it. On D, is this where you see immediate impact and how will he be implemented?

Yeah hes definitely a 2 way player in terms of potential. Has more potential than anything right now though hasnt proven anything. Couple good runs in NJ. Already had triple double in a NBA game. Got potential to be a top starter though obviously hasnt proven that yet. Can rebound, really rebound at that position, which we need, can pass, really good ball handler. On D, got both desire and ability. Big time competitor. Have big time hopes for him over time. Early, not sure how much he'll play. That's up to coach. We got a pretty good thing going, we're winning games, guys playing well. Not sure how much he'll get in early. Talent...as long as he comes in with the right approach, his talent is so high he's gonna get on the floor. Coach Adelman is great at giving guys a shot. He'll get a shot to do show what he can do if he shows what he can do in practice.

Wanna follow up on that, all the talk about potential and attitude, thats the story with him. You have a good locker room there, and gotta find balance of can he come in and turn things around or turn it the other ways?

Everyone tells us he's a good kid including NJ. He did get sideways with Avery Johnson. That's really been the only time in his career he had issues. Talking with Coach Pitino and I know Coach Walter McCarty well in Boston who knows Terrence well, they tell you hes a good kid and coachable. Really no issues. Talented guy who when you get with talented guys, someone who believes in his abilities and sometimes that manifests itself in ways that could get a coach upset. And I think thats what may have happened in NJ. We're gonna judge him as we know him here. Not gonna worry about the past. Clean slate and judge him as he is here and how he plays.

We can imagine all the calls you make trying to get info on players. You wanna get those references, personal endorsments. Give us an idea of how many people you talk to in different places when trying to evaluate players you want to obtain.

We do tons of background calls. Gerrson Rosas, Sam Hinkie, our whole staff is connected to both college and pro ranks. Obviously we invest millions of dollars and whenever you do that, you're looking at every angle. I do think often that info could mislead just as often it helps. A lot of guys fall in the draft for example because their coach didnt like them in college. That info is often perfectly correct but often that info leads you not to take a talented guy. The way I describe it is....a lot of teams including us will do physcological profiles of young guys in the draft or young guys you trade for. I think of it as, you go back to yourself at age 20-21, did you know who you wanted to be, were you finished as what you were going to be as a person? Reality is no. There is no way psychologists can figure out who these guys are because they dont know who they are yet, so how is another person gonna figure them out? Often, when you're young like this, all of a sudden, they can decide I'm gonna take a fresh look at this and I'm gonna be a different guy. We'll see over time how this works out.

I'm still trying to figure out what I'm gonna be when I grow up. I think you're accurate there.


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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#123 » by x- » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:25 pm

Aaron Brooks wrote:Daryl Morey's Radio interview this morning


Alternatively, here's the audio for lazy people like myself: http://kilt.cbslocal.com/2010/12/16/dar ... hn-121610/
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#124 » by Iggyemu » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:34 pm

Not exactly sure how this helps. But a deeper team never hurts. Though with Scola and the wing players the Rockets have, a good PG is the one thing the Rockets need to become a title contender. Without that piece...even when Brooks comes back...this is pretty much the team you'll see. A .500 squad.
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#125 » by Guy986 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:46 pm

Welcome to the Terrence Williams era?
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#126 » by HTown_TMac » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:01 am

Iggyemu wrote:Not exactly sure how this helps. But a deeper team never hurts. Though with Scola and the wing players the Rockets have, a good PG is the one thing the Rockets need to become a title contender. Without that piece...even when Brooks comes back...this is pretty much the team you'll see. A .500 squad.


We're more in need of a big shot blocker than pg
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#127 » by aznkillabeezZz » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:31 am

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He's a SF if he can defend SF.

SG/SG is pretty much interchangeable in today's NBA. A SF can be ball dominant too. They're called point forwards. Lebron is a SF but How is his role any different than D wade, Joe Johnson, B Roy?

You are what you defend.

LOL... I can't believe you just compared lebron to Twill. The reason Iguodala and LBJ are effective at SF is because they're athletic freaks and have serious GAME to go with it, and theyre 6'8. They have more wingspan too. And when you are that dynamic/superstar you can get away playing any position. Bron can even play PF and beat out most guys out there. Anyways yeah, you can call it what you call it. Point forwards. But all indications that Twill is an SG/PG combo guard, that can play as an SF. But Twill is an undersized Swingman SF. I don't think he can grab rebounds against 6'8 , 6'9 Sf's or box them out like Bron and Iggy can, and he does not hang out near the basket unless he's running towards the rim or create a play.

So i'd say his game fits the 2, but he can play swingman at 3 if we play small ball. He needs the ball to be somewhat effective. We are seriously in a logjam for swingmen. Lee or Budinger must go. They practically are all swingmans forced to play SF. And now that we have a more dynamic swingman who plays SF Tyreke Williams. So we really didn't improve much on the SF position. We just got another 6'6 SG who can play SF. But I much rather have a dynamic SG who can score, defend and create plays (TWill) rather than pass up shots, can't create a play to save his life sometimes (CLee) and can't defend (Budinger). Twill can't even play starting SF or SG for the nets, they put Morrow and Outlaw ahead of him this year. The reason being he's smaller than Outlaw. and Morrow knows his role better, and can shoot. And you might find this interesting but against Dallas this year, he played PG/SG while Outlaw was playing SF in the game.

The reason this is a good addition is because we have Battier and Hayes who can score zero during long periods of time. And players like Lee, who is a below average playmaker, passes up many shots, cant be the goto scorer we need. And Kmart who is allergic to fourth quarters, but has impressed me more than any other Rocket player with his improvement.
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#128 » by Aaron Brooks » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:08 pm

aznkillabeezZz wrote:So i'd say his game fits the 2, but he can play swingman at 3 if we play small ball. He needs the ball to be somewhat effective. We are seriously in a logjam for swingmen. Lee or Budinger must go. They practically are all swingmans forced to play SF. And now that we have a more dynamic swingman who plays SF Tyreke Williams. So we really didn't improve much on the SF position. We just got another 6'6 SG who can play SF. But I much rather have a dynamic SG who can score, defend and create plays (TWill) rather than pass up shots, can't create a play to save his life sometimes (CLee) and can't defend (Budinger). Twill can't even play starting SF or SG for the nets, they put Morrow and Outlaw ahead of him this year. The reason being he's smaller than Outlaw. and Morrow knows his role better, and can shoot. And you might find this interesting but against Dallas this year, he played PG/SG while Outlaw was playing SF in the game.


Who is Tyreke Williams bro?
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#129 » by aznkillabeezZz » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:59 pm

Aaron Brooks wrote:Who is Tyreke Williams bro?

TWill aka Tyreke Williams. He can be just as explosive as Tyreke evans going to the basket.
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#130 » by Aaron Brooks » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:00 am

Can he D it up like Terrence Williams?
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Post#131 » by Ribalding » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:16 am

I'm just glad I'm not Shawn Respert. (VP in charge of Keeping Rookies From Being Dicks.) He could be getting 2 mill/yr in Europe right now. To PLAY. Instead, his livelihood depends on teaching this Louisville freak how to be a mature human being.

My prayers are with you, Shawn.
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#132 » by Guy986 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:26 am

aznkillabeezZz wrote:
Guy986 wrote:
He's a SF if he can defend SF.

SG/SG is pretty much interchangeable in today's NBA. A SF can be ball dominant too. They're called point forwards. Lebron is a SF but How is his role any different than D wade, Joe Johnson, B Roy?

You are what you defend.

LOL... I can't believe you just compared lebron to Twill. The reason Iguodala and LBJ are effective at SF is because they're athletic freaks and have serious GAME to go with it, and theyre 6'8. They have more wingspan too. And when you are that dynamic/superstar you can get away playing any position. Bron can even play PF and beat out most guys out there. Anyways yeah, you can call it what you call it. Point forwards. But all indications that Twill is an SG/PG combo guard, that can play as an SF. But Twill is an undersized Swingman SF. I don't think he can grab rebounds against 6'8 , 6'9 Sf's or box them out like Bron and Iggy can, and he does not hang out near the basket unless he's running towards the rim or create a play.

So i'd say his game fits the 2, but he can play swingman at 3 if we play small ball. He needs the ball to be somewhat effective. We are seriously in a logjam for swingmen. Lee or Budinger must go. They practically are all swingmans forced to play SF. And now that we have a more dynamic swingman who plays SF Tyreke Williams. So we really didn't improve much on the SF position. We just got another 6'6 SG who can play SF. But I much rather have a dynamic SG who can score, defend and create plays (TWill) rather than pass up shots, can't create a play to save his life sometimes (CLee) and can't defend (Budinger). Twill can't even play starting SF or SG for the nets, they put Morrow and Outlaw ahead of him this year. The reason being he's smaller than Outlaw. and Morrow knows his role better, and can shoot. And you might find this interesting but against Dallas this year, he played PG/SG while Outlaw was playing SF in the game.

The reason this is a good addition is because we have Battier and Hayes who can score zero during long periods of time. And players like Lee, who is a below average playmaker, passes up many shots, cant be the goto scorer we need. And Kmart who is allergic to fourth quarters, but has impressed me more than any other Rocket player with his improvement.


I never compared Lebron to Terrence Williams. You need to have better reading comprehension bro.

There is ZERO difference between SG and SF in today's NBA. Zero. If you can defend Small Forwards, you are a small forward. If you can't defend small forwards, you are a shooting guard.
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#133 » by aznkillabeezZz » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:38 am

Guy986 wrote:
I never compared Lebron to Terrence Williams. You need to have better reading comprehension bro.

There is ZERO difference between SG and SF in today's NBA. Zero. If you can defend Small Forwards, you are a small forward. If you can't defend small forwards, you are a shooting guard.

There's tons of differences if you want to be effective. That's why most teams don't have 6'6 small forwards. TWill's put at SF as a necessity just like we made Budinger and Lee at SF. And they've been very inconsistent at that position because they fit the SG mold better even despite "Lee's good defense", he still struggles at SF.
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#134 » by Sorostaran » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:03 pm

aznkillabeezZz wrote:
Guy986 wrote:
I never compared Lebron to Terrence Williams. You need to have better reading comprehension bro.

There is ZERO difference between SG and SF in today's NBA. Zero. If you can defend Small Forwards, you are a small forward. If you can't defend small forwards, you are a shooting guard.

There's tons of differences if you want to be effective. That's why most teams don't have 6'6 small forwards. TWill's put at SF as a necessity just like we made Budinger and Lee at SF. And they've been very inconsistent at that position because they fit the SG mold better even despite "Lee's good defense", he still struggles at SF.


There is a difference between 2 and 3 based mainly on whom you can guard/who can guard you and the current rotation patterns of NBA teams. In the current NBA, T-Will is naturally a 3 who has enough skills to play some 1/2, not the other way around. Iguodala is a natural 3 at 6' 5.5" (who can play some guard) and Howard is a natural 5 at 6' 9" (who can play some forward) because of how they play, despite their uncommon height for their respective positions. Williams is both taller (6'6.5") and stronger (~220 packed muscle to Iguodala's ~205 packed muscle) than Iguodala is.

Coming out of college, many scouts doubted Lee's ability to guard the 3 (or even the 2) in the NBA at 6'4.5". Lee proved them wrong. Note the Rockets have no qualm putting Lee on opposing 3s and Battier on 2s, but when Lee is on the floor with Buddinger, Lee almost always guards the 2. This is because, while Bud is bad guarding the 3, he has proven himself a ****ing disaster guarding 2s. This is the same reason why T-Will is forced to play out of position when he's on the court with Outlaw. Even though Outlaw is 6'9" like Ariza, Outlaw cannot guard 2s very well, unlike Ariza (another case in point).

T-Will can play the 1/2 for Houston if Brooks and/or Lee get send off in that consolidation trade (this gives Houston trade flexibility), but until that happens, he's in Houston to take Bud's job (Williams' natural position). If Brooks/Lee get moved, T-Will will play a lot of 1/2 again, not because T-Will is a natural 1/2, but because Bud is a 3 in the NBA, not a 2 forced to play the 3 (Bud can't be a 2 in the NBA because he can't guard NBA 2s to save his own life).
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#135 » by HtownPA » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:14 pm

aznkillabeezZz wrote:
Aaron Brooks wrote:Who is Tyreke Williams bro?

TWill aka Tyreke Williams. He can be just as explosive as Tyreke evans going to the basket.



I don't get it. Are you mocking Terrence Williams' name?
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Post#136 » by HeyJoe » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:41 pm

what the hell

let the kid play already.
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Post#137 » by MaxRider » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:43 pm

HeyJoe wrote:what the hell

let the kid play already.

he wont play until he memorized at least 500 plays out of Adelman's playbook
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#138 » by 000001 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:43 pm

i like this trade alot but we need a center varejao m gasol best options
fire morey please ,the sooner the better.....ryan Anderson is a 3 not a 4
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Re: Trade: Lottery protected '12 1st rnder for Terrence Williams 

Post#139 » by Aaron Brooks » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:29 am

000001 wrote:i like this trade alot but we need a center varejao m gasol best options


Imagine how much hate we'll get if we got Varajao

Lowry
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Our games would be 4 hours long
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